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On February 28 2014 06:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:11 gumshoe wrote:
You dont have many reads Jar, so when you back up on one and call it scummy I don't have many reads? Well I guess you think I'm town then: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game. I thought I was scummy because I had too many reads?
LOL pick poke pick poke, the problem is not how many reads you have, but how much you flip flop on them, also give it time, I'm sure you'll branch out the more desperate you get. Why are you still fighting me? Niether of us are getting lynched. Move on.
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On February 28 2014 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 05:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2014 05:49 Ange777 wrote:On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In GSL BH actually did promise Mocsta to roll him town and didn't (because what's the point of hydraing if you are scum?!?).
So either Mocsta has requested the same thing again and didnt' get it or he is modconfirming himself as town in which case he should be modkilled. Page 58. Why would Mocsta be modconfirmed town based on that comment?? He's not. Alright I've got the next hour or so. People pushing solo-vote lynches right now need to ask yourselves: have you gained any traction with your case? Are you truly going to gain any in the next few hours? Right now what we have is the perfect scum deadline atmosphere. There is no clear town leader (and as confident as I've been this game I don't tend to fill that position particularly often) and votes are spread out so thinly scum can essentially move wherever they want and lynch whoever they want today. On top of that, we will learn absolutely nothing on flip (ie voting analysis will be basically useless) aside from that person's alignment if everyone stays on the current path. Is that what town wants? We need to figure out 2-3 MOST LIKELY lynch candidates. Preferably before I leave.
As it stands off the top of my head I want to say Mocsta/suki/Vivax.You all need to decide where these three fit into your current reads and decide what you want out of the day, and whether you want to hand this lynch to scum or not, as geript seems rife to do. + Show Spoiler +I'm pretty damn sure geript is town but considering how horrible his play has been recently I can honestly say I wouldn't mind a policy, but only as last resort. TL needs to be punishing this shit way more often than it does. Confirmation AND bad association inc. WARNING The bolded is perfect motivation for you to fakeclaim if Moc/suki are both town. Hell, even if only one of them is considering nobody knows where the lynch goes yet today. Hell I don't think there's much downside to you fakeclaiming anyway. Like if it's real why the fuck would you claim so early? ESPECIALLY since I said I'd only be aorund for what now...another 30 min, and other lynches can continue to be pushed in my absence? LET'S GO PEOPLE, I WANT INPUT ON VIVAX> PRONTO
His claim means nothing here on out, mafia just role block him if hes actually blue, and well do the rest for them. All the old cases still stand.
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On February 28 2014 06:23 Vivax wrote:
Well until mafia knows what role I have, they won't know if it's worth blocking me. I can say that I'm not the doctor, so I can at the very least survive the first night being protected and take two roleblocks out of the game.
So? If your scum, you claim rb. If your town, you get rbed, scum doesnt shoot you, we do. I'm so glad you feel your doing such a service to town, but your claim literally says nothing about your alignment.
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On February 28 2014 06:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:26 Vivax wrote:
Also there's somebody I didn't call out as scummy yet, but I've become somewhat confident that he is over time. It's HF. *pat* *pat* how is it exactly you and gumshoe KNOW there are rb'ers in this game?
Rber is a crucial component for scum, all the other scum roles are pretty fluff, I feel it's safe to assume there is one. Even if theres not, with the exception of Vig there is no role that can reliably prove itself. Therefore it's still just his word against whoevers come tommorow, even if there isnt an rber. Claim is 9 times out of 10 null. Not saying I wanna lynch him for it, just that we shouldn't consider it as a reason to or not to lynch him.
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On February 28 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote:not gonna lie if i rolled scum this game i would have just quit 
This is a big part of where my Moc read is coming from, I think he would have done similar.
I have no issue letting Vivax's claim play out tommorow, just dont think theres a point, would still love to lynch Suki.
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On February 28 2014 06:34 Vivax wrote:
Vote mocsta bitches. If scum wanted to push a lynch on mocsta they'd be doing that and not leaving him untouched all this fucking time.
Whose to say your not doing that right now?
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On February 28 2014 06:34 Vivax wrote:
Vote mocsta bitches. If scum wanted to push a lynch on mocsta they'd be doing that and not leaving him untouched all this fucking time.
Also, it's so easy to cow town in to doing stuff by saying "cmon guys, if this guy was town hed be hammered" but the truth is often a lot more complex then that. In my gsl game, Mordanis wasnt online to hammer, and we hoped he wouldn't need to so that we wouldn't all be on the same train. This game, my scum read suki hasnt been online very often but has been pushing moc, jar jar's been arguing with me but will switch to moc on a dime, and your pushing moc as we speak, so yeah, dont like this logic, I did the same thing with Mattchew.
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On February 28 2014 06:41 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:38 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote:not gonna lie if i rolled scum this game i would have just quit This is a big part of where my Moc read is coming from, I think he would have done similar. I have no issue letting Vivax's claim play out tommorow, just dont think theres a point, would still love to lynch Suki. how come you only mentioned this about mocsta though? It's been the same situation for all of HF, Mocsta and me. There was a lot of talk about it pre-game, yet you only felt the need to mention it about mocsta?
Thats specifically because I just played out a scum game with Mocsta where his frustration with rolling scum was a great impediment twoards our winning. Who are you again 0_o? Why would I have a similar meta read on someone I've never played with.
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On February 28 2014 06:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Mocsta
Prob have to go in a few but will be on before the deadline. Not crazy about it but better than a suki lynch methinks. Hey gum. Presuming a scum suki, do you see this coming from scum?
Yes 0_0 hes still trying to defend his buddy. If he adapts his stances around my reads it becomes obvius thats hes cowed scum. If she does flip red, he can just say what hes been saying all game, that he thought she was town at first, but realizes now that me and her were scum buddies all along. I mean, your not giving up on Suki, why would he?
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On February 28 2014 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Meh,might as well claim my full role. I'm vigilante, hence it isn't necessarily bad if scum rbs me, cause I might end up shooting a townie anyway.
I had such plans with HF cause he pissed me off, and hence I didn't say anything cause I wanted to shoot him out of the blue and have some laughs.
I was hoping for this, if mafia doesnt have an rber somehow then you can prove yourself ( : of all the claims this is the best one you could have, it's convenient, but whatever, doesn't hurt town to give you a literal shot.
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On February 28 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Holy, reassure me before I go.
Why is suki the best lynch today?
Called town atmosphere bad, because from her perspective as scum, we werent getting anywhere closer to the truth. Whereas the atmosphere was honestly pretty great.
Thinks Chyz's play is weak, doesnt take into account his only other game wherein he was mislynched by her for weak play. When she does take it into account it magically supports her initial case.
Found Jar Jar's play highly townie when pressed on it, didnt bother mentioning his blind devotion until that very moment.
Thats just my addition ( :
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On February 28 2014 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
Dude, scum play 101, if there is a rber he can just rb and kill targets every day and fake claim rb if he's scum so no it doesn't confirm him.
Also, @vivax, you pointed out an inconsistancy in her reads, am i suddenly supposed to be conflicted on my other scum read because of it? Not really. I was only conflicted when she voted you after sheeping sentiment because then it looked bad but these are 2 unflipped players we're talking about so it meant nothing. Now you've claimed blue so it looks even worse.
For sure, but again all this is null, worst case scenario, he claims rb, we lynch him tomorrow. Best case, double night kill, we know hes town. Simple as that.
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On February 28 2014 09:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
FUCK YES
HF I LOVE YOyUyUyU
Dont I get some credit ) : how does a Jar Jar lynch look now?
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On February 28 2014 09:41 Vivax wrote:
Gumshoe if anything the flip makes you look worse in my opinion cause you were constantly getting at JJD for townreading suki but not much else. That's something that only you found scummy in the thread and that would make sense if you knew suki was mafia already, and JJD mentioned that possibility too.
Whatever you say lord Vivax, please don't shoot me ) :
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Vivax, do you mind shooting Jar Jar? Every ones been saying association reads dont matter till someone flips, welp, someones flipped. You say I look scummier, but honestly thats retarded / : Im not going to bus my own god father hours into the game and then proceed to yolo defend a towny (we should pretty much assume moc is town at this point, even if you think I'm scum that makes it more likely that hes town) and in doing so pretty much ensure my gf gets lynched.
Anyone who is arguing this knows how shitty it sounds and is only doing it because they have no other avenue available to them. Besides, the lynch was 5 vs bloody 5, I didn't even have to switch onto Moc, just go back to Jar Jar, or not leave him in the first place. You honestly think I wouldnt risk myself like that to save my gf AND get a mislynch? Your better than that Vivax, if you believe any of the above then please just shoot me, cause with reasoning like that your likely to misfire regardless.
At the very least, I think I've earned the right to see Jar Jar die before me and even if I am scum, the sooner he flips the sooner you can kill me for my retarded red play ( :
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Oh and dont shoot Geript, hes Geript / :
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On February 28 2014 11:08 geript wrote:
The bad news for me is that suki's dig at Toad makes it more likely that he's town. That makes me really sad.
That doesnt sound like the Geript I know and love ) ; careful man, your in danger of becoming useful.
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I hate metaing the host but... We pretty much know theres a detective in the game now, and would scum have a role blocker as well as a gf? And Isn't having a cop and a vig kind of redundant? I mean 2 blues seems pretty standard for 3 scum 10 town, and I would expect one of those blues to be defensive. Would there really be a vig in a game with a cop and without a role blocker? Oh and isnt it funny that of all the roles Vivax chose it's the one that has the easiest time proving itself? The one were least likely to lynch? Eh, I'll wait for nights end, cant do anything other than that, but I feel pretty confident that Vivax is blowing smoke.
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Also, It's super easy for Vivax to have long heart felt arguments over who to shoot tonight that make him look townie if he knows for a fact that no such shot will go off. Personally I feel we should stop indulging him, Vivax, your a smart guy, shoot whoever you think is scum, if your actually vig I will whole heartedly support your choice, whatever it is.
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On February 28 2014 12:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 12:44 gumshoe wrote:
I hate metaing the host but... We pretty much know theres a detective in the game now, and would scum have a role blocker as well as a gf? And Isn't having a cop and a vig kind of redundant? I mean 2 blues seems pretty standard for 3 scum 10 town, and I would expect one of those blues to be defensive. Would there really be a vig in a game with a cop and without a role blocker? Oh and isnt it funny that of all the roles Vivax chose it's the one that has the easiest time proving itself? The one were least likely to lynch? Eh, I'll wait for nights end, cant do anything other than that, but I feel pretty confident that Vivax is blowing smoke. Absolutely not true. I know hosts that would not put a cop in the game for precisely this reason. Playin' games tonight and relaxing after a hard days' work in thread. Voting analysis tomorrow.
like all theories, nothing is absolutley right, but we choose ones to air because we feel they have a reasonable shot at bieng correct. Which is how I feel about there bieng a dt, Yes aquanim might be a troll, but why include an apendix such as a god father in the first place if theres no dt? Just to throw off town? Seems unreasonably scum favoured treatment to mislead town like that, because if we lynch a goon, there could still be a god father, so why not just have a goon?
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