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On February 27 2014 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like now i have to decide - based on that statement - if i think Mocsta is BS enough to do what he did as town (which i know he is because he has done that before and he knows it), or if he is scum bullshitting with fake BS shit.
Then, when i make my decision i will never ever look to him again and treat him as confirmed!alignment.
Which is fucking shit but that's how it goes.
What the fuck?
Why does what Mocsta said mean anything at all?
I don't modconfirm anyone---ever.
It just ends in heartbreak.
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On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Also. Did vivax actually address your case?
Nope.
Basically nobody has.
Except sort of JJD.
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On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Wave
Do u find it odd that geript is much more assertive when describing why I could be town vs vivax?
I find it annoying that geript is playing like ass for fun right now.
He's probably town but it makes me want to policy him.
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On February 27 2014 13:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:
The only reason I'm not jumping on this Mocsta train is because I still want him to try and explain his reads.
So are you still waiting or are you satisfied?
Yeah, he already gave me a pretty reliable answer for the moment.
Why are you asking this question?
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I did cab?
By saying I was Davison and pointing to a troll game?
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On February 27 2014 13:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Also. Did vivax actually address your case? Nope. Basically nobody has. Except sort of JJD.
well naturally i agree with it because i wrote similar things :o
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On February 27 2014 14:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Also. Did vivax actually address your case? Nope. Basically nobody has. Except sort of JJD. well naturally i agree with it because i wrote similar things :o
You should know how frustrating it is to put in effort and have basically nobody give a shit.
As either alignment.
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On February 27 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Wave
Do u find it odd that geript is much more assertive when describing why I could be town vs vivax? I find it annoying that geript is playing like ass for fun right now. He's probably town but it makes me want to policy him.
Gratz, you're back on my lynch list.
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On February 27 2014 14:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 14:01 Holyflare wrote:On February 27 2014 13:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Also. Did vivax actually address your case? Nope. Basically nobody has. Except sort of JJD. well naturally i agree with it because i wrote similar things :o You should know how frustrating it is to put in effort and have basically nobody give a shit. As either alignment.
well all you can do is point the stuff out and hope people see it and agree  what do you think of my points on suki?
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Wave I agreed with it too Lol...
I can swing to chz or vivax as it stands
I'm on chz now cos he's still not producing anything useful
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On February 27 2014 14:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Wave
Do u find it odd that geript is much more assertive when describing why I could be town vs vivax? I find it annoying that geript is playing like ass for fun right now. He's probably town but it makes me want to policy him. Gratz, you're back on my lynch list.
nobody cares about your arbitrary list i hope you know that
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On February 27 2014 14:00 Mocsta wrote:
I did cab?
By saying I was Davison and pointing to a troll game?
You answered it a while ago. This is in reference to a different question.
I'll quote the post.
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On February 27 2014 14:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Wave
Do u find it odd that geript is much more assertive when describing why I could be town vs vivax? I find it annoying that geript is playing like ass for fun right now. He's probably town but it makes me want to policy him. Gratz, you're back on my lynch list.
Y r u playing like this dude....
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On February 27 2014 09:17 Mocsta wrote:
I don't have much time today but see I am the vote leader
At this point my care factor is pretty low
I dunno what's worse: rolling scum when u k ow the rest of ya team lurks or playing a game like this where everyone jumps on u, it no1 a really specifies why I am scum.
Everyone issue seems to be that they cant my mindset... Which is null
Either way if it takes me flipping town for people to play this game properly so be it.
I think rayn looks better than say 12hrs ago. He's prob the only person I am comfortable with that has voted me.
Toad is prob town but is a real idiot. His thoughts may be crystal clear but that doesn't make the outcome right.
Vivax is a real surprise vote. I assume he's going to state one of me and gum is scum. Now he's town on gum I have become that town read.
He's tingling me right now pretty hard after his opportune vote switch.
Pls remember he was pushing wos and then pounced on me.
I need to reread suki case against her 2014 scum game.
I have her back at null from a rethink.
On one hand her cases were pretty lacklustre.
On the other hand I'm still giving credit for being CB.
I'm liking geript. As scum he could be trying to look good by town reading me, but his reasons seemed decent and not bullshit. It at least showed he thought about it which I thinks important with one caveat. He normally calls me town for moclogic which he hasn't dine here. Either way he's a terrible lynch for today.
I don't care for cavalinho questions, but I liked him based on association with chz. If cha was somehow town I would consider cavalinho as sleeper scum
Jjd is town. Too many flip-flops on me which are unwarrantedironically this is how I'm playing the game yet I'm apparently not town.
Its a concern ange hasn't posted but I think she said she would be away initially.
Lastly HF I guess. Dunno I don't like him but its pure feel. I expect him to be better than this is prob the crux.
Hmmm so that's where I am at
To me CHz posting hasn't improved and I still think he is intentionally withholding his position on matters.
He's my vote for the cycle.
Like I said. Today is crunch day for me at work so I wasn't even meant to post this. That's it. Obviously I would prefer to not be lynched but this game is quickly heading towards if I don't like it. Its scum mentality which will not help my cause. Ciao and if I flip look hard at vivax.
This one was the one I was looking for. I wanted you to explain your reads, and you did for the most part.
I don't like the fact that your reads were weird at start, but everything looks much cleaner and easier to follow here.
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On February 27 2014 13:58 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:
The only reason I'm not jumping on this Mocsta train is because I still want him to try and explain his reads.
So are you still waiting or are you satisfied? Yeah, he already gave me a pretty reliable answer for the moment. Why are you asking this question? Um, to get an answer. Were you not planning on letting people know about your read on mocsta untill I asked?
Like you make these statements and then don't follow up on them. Like you're only trying to find the right thing to say @ the time. For instance:On February 27 2014 13:04 Cavalinho wrote:
At a glance, this seems like a pretty good case. I'm gonna look through her filter to see what's up. Have you filter dived yet? Any conclusions you'd like to share?
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On February 27 2014 14:06 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 14:05 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Wave
Do u find it odd that geript is much more assertive when describing why I could be town vs vivax? I find it annoying that geript is playing like ass for fun right now. He's probably town but it makes me want to policy him. Gratz, you're back on my lynch list. Y r u playing like this dude....
Nah dude this is really weird for him. He wants me to not ignore and post on his shazazzly Vivax posts but has never commented on his townread on toad or why he thinks I'm wrong on toad. It's not only one way. Like he's been weird on lots of little things but I'm totes keen on trying to read him right but this shazazzle doesn't fly with me.
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I can see why people are calling me out for having such a bad conclusion to my case on TheChyz. All I can say is it's been retardedly frustrating to not be able to play when so much is going on in this game. My analysis on TheChyz was cut short because of time. I wasn't able to pressure people or comment on more people because of time. Now that I have some time I am going to read Chyz again and also comment on a lot more people.
TheChyz Part 2
TheChyz's play this game I described earlier as weak. He hasn't commented on people, hasn't really applied pressure. His top case is geript which he's been pushing all game.
He seems unusually hmm.. responsive, to people's accusations of his play:
On February 26 2014 15:19 TheChyz wrote:
Ye, I played reckless. So I'm not allowed to play differently and have my philosophies change? Don't know what your leading to. All your doing is pointing out a playstyle that you probably don't agree with. Doesn't mean you have to like it. And im pretty sure both you and I would actually rather try to look for actual scum then keep talking about this thread clogging argument. Yes?
On February 27 2014 07:59 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 05:46 Holyflare wrote:Still want thechyz to answer this by the way it's the only thing i want him to write about before i get a stance on him x_x On February 26 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote:TheChyz you were getting called out for your filter not really saying much and your response was that you don't like to call someone mafia for doing 1 scummy thing, yet, in the next few posts you make a case on geript that literally only focuses on 1 aspect of his play (although he has shit all yes). What changed between those few posts that you felt compelled to make a case on someone who isn't doing much, has been talked about for the exact reasons you posted before and is doing nothing before you have even talked to them? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote:
You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. Did kiterayn just fly away on you? ##Vote geript I was getting shit for playing the way I wanted to play and people wouldn't stop circlejerking around the fact that I don't play like they expect. So instead of trying to argue about philosophies in which is such a tangential topic I decided that I would have to learn to play the TL way and give them what they expect of me and that is to make a case. And also I had my thoughts on geript as most scummy for quiet some time in the game so thats why I talked about him.
This is interesting because looking at his play from Newbie LI, it shows that as town he was aggressive, posted cases on people, wasn't afraid to call people scummy and pressure them:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2014 12:08 TheChyz wrote:
Ok I think my little posts before I had to go afk helped generate enough argument to start conversations going. I actually total love the idea of trying to catch bandwagoners early and since Balla posted something similar to the train of thought I usually have I thought someone would catch the link. If you did, congrats.
I don't really like Day_Walkers entrance since basically he just gives us a list and then says that he leaves. From my personal experience I tend to give lists a lot when I am mafia and post very little. There is no reason to provide a list unless you have to (getting lynched, etc) imo. He is also the only one that seems to kinda still ride the end of the "vote chyz" bandwagon and then labels everybody else as town. Seems like a very safe move. If you think I'm scum why not put your vote where your mouth is? Don't like him very much at the moment and would like to hear more from him apart from the "agreeing with ..." slogan that you seem to use so very much.
##Vote: Day_Walker On January 06 2014 12:52 TheChyz wrote:
I have nothing to say to the question since I didn't actually mean what I had previously said (right near the start of game). Overall tho I liked his post response since it seems to have original thought put into it aswell as a vote. That reads more town to me and at the moment he and you (Balla) have been the most active so I have nothing to say negative about him atm since there are much better people to focus on atm. On January 06 2014 15:56 TheChyz wrote:
So Dragoon, it seems like you don't think Asuna should be a possible lynch target. Why is that so? On January 07 2014 01:01 TheChyz wrote:
I would like to bring up a player that has kinda hidden back into the shadows and that is dnyarri. When he first posts, I find it ironic since he says that it is easy for lurkers to bandwagon in which he proceeds to bandwagon anyways. He also seems to bring no argument to the table but mostly facts and his argument is circular logic stuff. It goes more or less like this, "since DayWalker made the list in which he says theChyz is scum then theChyz is scum, but because of theChyz's points then DayWalker is also scummy". To me it seems like he just read my filter and saw my vote for DayWalker and also checked his out. This is a good move because if I came up as mafia then he would be safe, but if not then he has a strong fallback on another player. I may be overanalyzing the first post, but that is not even the most important.
The moment he gets challenged he switches immediately from me to Dragoon, which he didn't even mention at all! There was nothing to imply this. AND, later on in his posts the only people he mentions are myself, Dragoon, and DayWalker. So he also just read Dragoon's post and just mashed it in together in his second paragraph which just seems like more facts and analysis taken from other people.
Out of all of the points, the strongest still stands as when he gets challenged about me, he flops and goes on a new target all together.
##Unvote
##Vote: dnyarri
Here's what I see. TheChyz rolled scum, played a really underwhelming early game and got shit for it. He then tried to look better by posting cases, and said he was just trying to play the way people expected him to play.
His play this game does not resemble his town game from LI, and I feel that there is plenty of reason for this if he's scum. When he was town, he pressured people, wasn't afraid to give reads and speak up. This game he just sorts of coasts in the background, trying to appease people by 'changing his style' but not really pushing or pressuring anyone.
TheChyz conveniently comes up with something he finds "strange" on Mocsta (without calling it scummy), when Mocsta gets under heat from Rayn.
On February 26 2014 17:44 TheChyz wrote:Also on Mocsta which I didn't mention before because I thought it was not too important but all of the first posts with suki it seems like a tone of just telling her things and coaching her through the game. Just some strange interaction early on that now that mocstas read on suki changed from having some suspicion to the 2nd best town read (as rayn mentioned already) Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy? Scummiest so far, yes So then why isn't your vote on me? This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy. Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:07 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy? Scummiest so far, yes So then why isn't your vote on me? This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? lol what. ##vote MocstaI never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy. Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). suki. I am confused why u r actually voting me. U have listed actions u think I have taken, yet failed to comment on why those actions are scummy. Can u go into more detail please.
Like, what's the point of this observation? Mocsta is 'coaching' me (which I don't know how he got that since Mocsta was clearly attacking me). It seems to be putting suspicion on Mocsta without outright saying it. He then asks a few questions to Mocsta but doesn't ever come to any conclusion on him until he's asked by Vivax.
On February 27 2014 08:29 TheChyz wrote:
I still don't understand vivax why you wouldn't take a look at me after quiet a bit of the voting has gone my way. Do you somehow know I'm town? My filter is short enough so it surely is not the effort required.
This post also struck me as Chyz wondering why Vivax isn't suspicious of him, as if he knows he's scummy. I originally had this as a scummy point against Chyz but looking at Chyz's filter from newbie LI he seemed to question people on why they had a town read on him in his town game. So I think this comes out as a null point.
Summary:
I think TheChyz's play has changed in a scummy way compared to his town game. His tunnel on geript is bad and uncharacteristic of him. His case on geript is bad but he seems to have no problem pushing it and only it. He made a half-case on Mocsta but fails to say why Mocsta's actions make him scummy, but Mocsta is the only other person he's really talked about. He kind of commented on Vivax but again didn't come to any conclusion.
All of this I feel is more likely to come from a scum Chyz.
##vote TheChyz
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Also Holy's case on me on the previous page is bad. Does anybody actually want me to address any of that stuff?
Looking into more people now.
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On February 27 2014 14:05 Mocsta wrote:
Wave I agreed with it too Lol...
I can swing to chz or vivax as it stands
I'm on chz now cos he's still not producing anything useful
What about it did you agree with?
Nobody has ACTUALLY COMMENTED on my case.
Everyone else sorta TL;DR if they even did bother to read it.
HF I'm assuming you did read it to some degree though I don't understand why you think our points are exactly the same if you did.
On February 27 2014 14:15 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 14:06 Mocsta wrote:On February 27 2014 14:05 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Wave
Do u find it odd that geript is much more assertive when describing why I could be town vs vivax? I find it annoying that geript is playing like ass for fun right now. He's probably town but it makes me want to policy him. Gratz, you're back on my lynch list. Y r u playing like this dude.... Nah dude this is really weird for him. He wants me to not ignore and post on his shazazzly Vivax posts but has never commented on his townread on toad or why he thinks I'm wrong on toad. It's not only one way. Like he's been weird on lots of little things but I'm totes keen on trying to read him right but this shazazzle doesn't fly with me.
Yeah, no.
Don't care about your ridiculous reads on me. It's like we're back to LX or something. I'm pretty disappointed in you geript.
And what when the fuck did you ask me to comment on my townread on toad?
I'm sitting here with a big wtf look on my face right now. I wish you could see it.
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On February 27 2014 14:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:58 Cavalinho wrote:On February 27 2014 13:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:
The only reason I'm not jumping on this Mocsta train is because I still want him to try and explain his reads.
So are you still waiting or are you satisfied? Yeah, he already gave me a pretty reliable answer for the moment. Why are you asking this question? Um, to get an answer. Were you not planning on letting people know about your read on mocsta untill I asked? Like you make these statements and then don't follow up on them. Like you're only trying to find the right thing to say @ the time. For instance: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:04 Cavalinho wrote:
At a glance, this seems like a pretty good case. I'm gonna look through her filter to see what's up. Have you filter dived yet? Any conclusions you'd like to share?
No, you're right. I am forgetting about shit. For right now, I think that between my three initial scumreads, I'd only be willing to vote for geript or TheChyz at this point. Mocsta seems pretty town once he sat down and really gave his reads on what was going on around him, though I don't know why he brought up a game where he was trolling as town. That was...really odd.
Furthermore, I still stand by the fact that I think suki hasn't had the chance to really talk about things. At first, she looked a lot like she was following her old meta by zeroing in on one person and just leaving it at that, but as you can see, she's already elaborating on her reads whereas Chyz has yet to even acknowledge what I said in the first place.
At the same time, suki could just be pouncing on what seems to be the most opportune lynch of the day. Her reasoning is solid, so she seems town, but I'm not discounting what the other players have said about her play thus far.
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