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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:32 Holyflare wrote: kiterayn, why does mocsta hate me so much?  also read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078¤tpage=40#794 Yes i read that and i agree with you. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
##unvote ##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
I want to add a few points though. Filterskim reveals a very passive Mocsta, no cases on people he believes to be scum since he has been put into the defensive. What I also don't understand is how he townreads WoS out of nowhere. He looked scummy to you, he looks scummy to me, and for him it's the strongest townread, and then he asks a question like this, which shouldn't interest him in the slightest if he's town imo: ##Unvote ##Vote Mocsta Putting WoS on the backfire for now. Mocsta is a more solid (and likely) lynch. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:49 Vivax wrote: After rereading GSL IV I gotta say that I find gumshoe a lot less scummy. Basically all he has been doing in that game was justifying for people he could lynch, summarizing stuff and defending himself. Here he actively participates in discussions, and I'm confident in stating that the post tone is a lot different. Doesn't change where I stand with WoS though. Multiple of his actions don't make sense from a town point of view, him abandoning the gumshoe vote so quickly, suspecting me for not commenting on a player he doesn't know anything about, the not delivered look at a gumshoe scumgame he promised. I havent even posted yet 0_0 and your already taking back your scum read on me? I'll answer anyways, I wasnt just sheeping moc on suki, suki was the first thing that bugged me in thread so I went looking for other peoples opinions on her to get more reads. The fact that Moc was on a similar page with me right off the bat gave me confidence in him, like we were starting from the same place. Also having just played an extremely toxic game with him, I can say his play is completely reasonable in comparison. You accuse the combination of those two points of being a narrative? Well of course It's a narrative, I always have one, it makes my posting easier to read and makes the argument better, besides, there is always an actual story going on, my attempting to find it is not manipulation, just me trying to base my reads off more than just mistakes, something both townies and scum can make. If you take issue with the above you are critiquing my overall play, not my alignment. Furthermore, as opposed to taking my post at face value, as a sort of double off the cuff read(thats reasonable because they were attacking each other), you are unknowingly(or knowingly) crafting a narrative of me crafting a narrative 0_o. Am I wrong? How is your story better or less suspect than mine? Speaking of hypocricy, you call WOS out for flip flopping on me, but have now done the same after each vocal townie has straight up said they will not vote for me atm. The difference is I spoke to Wos and we argued our grievances out, whereas you fought me over a single piece of posting that has already been discussed to death, then back tracked and said the rest of my play is townie after I was no longer a viable target. I mean, did you just read my opening post and stop there? The rest of my filter, that you consider active and towny, was there when you started / : Supposedly you 'read' gsl and thats why you developed your opinion, but meh, if I was accusing someone I would at least wait till they come back before I drop my read, even if I'm not that confident in it anymore. Otherwise what was the point? As for Suki, I'm not sure I can share some of towns confidence in her, I think shes wrong on Moc, and her case on Chyz is basically just that hes weak. I read through his newbie game, he was mislynched on day 3 and his play was similar to this game, Suki coincidentally was in that game as well and yet shes choosing to read him as scummy, even though shes witnessed his shoddy town play first hand. These sort of walk in, walk out try hard cases are exactly what I love to do as scum and I think I've found myself a kindred spirit, I'm voting for Suki for now. Geript In the midst of the tl mafia ban list crisis, I asked Geript on team speak "Geript, if tl mafia is incapable of changing to your liking, would you rather just see it all burn to the ground?" his response? "ABSOLUTELY". Having thought about it, I realize that Geript is entirely capable of this level of tunneling on toad for such shoddy reasoning, but as others have pointed out, he knows his own meta / : Geript is my Gumshoe T_T. Down grading to null. We should all just ignore his Toad case so hes forced to talk about other people. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Mocsta (4) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax geript (2) - Toadesstern, TheChyz TheChyz (3) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (0) - gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (0) - Vivax (1) - WaveofShadow Not Voting - gumshoe, Ange777 Mocsta is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in . If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know! | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 27 2014 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i read that and i agree with you. Holy flaire is not a town read of Moc's, Suki is, it makes sense Moc would be more incline to talk to Suki. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
##unvote ##vote Mocsta Take note that the moment I see a chance to lynch geript I'll be on him no questions asked. But I seem to be the only one who wants him lynched right now despite my best efforts to get him lynched and continuing to talk about this doesn't get us anywhere. Just take note that this isn't a "I think mocsta is more scummy than geript" change of mind at all so don't even try to bring up how I don't make sense for voting mocsta instead of you geript. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Vivax now it's time to hear your read on TheChyz, please. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 27 2014 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually just fuck it. I am really sure Mocsta is mafia. ##unvote ##Vote: Mocsta Really? You think hed play this calm after rolling mafia 6 times in a row or something? I'm telling you, that kind of frustration doesn't dissipate and it's not there in his play. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 27 2014 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe you really need to start giving some reads. Vivax now it's time to hear your read on TheChyz, please. Bad timing, I've just given you five by my count. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 27 2014 07:47 gumshoe wrote: Bad timing, I've just given you five by my count. Well your reasoning for scumreading suki is absolute crap, especially the part where you compare TheChyz' meta which he already said himself does not line up with his meta from last game. What gives? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
So no gumshoe, i don't understand a single portion of that post. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 27 2014 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well your reasoning for scumreading suki is absolute crap, especially the part where you compare TheChyz' meta which he already said himself does not line up with his meta from last game. What gives? I dont care what he said, I've read the two games and they line up, I find similar intangling reasoning that doesnt always lead somewhere and a touch of hostility, No major diffrence present. Suki has first hand experience with his shoddy play as town yet elects to consider him scum. I also think her points on how Moc was opportunistic on me underscores the actual events, in which he brought up reasonable points against me and I adressed them. So he dropped those points at a time when suspecting me was perfectly viable. I dont think her cases are coming from a place of sincerity, that her top scum read happens to be the guy who attacked her at the start is pretty damm convenient and I expected her of all people to defend Chyz for playing sloppy. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
If you are town do so, please. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You may call me the worst mafia player ever if he is mafia in this game. | ||
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TheChyz
Canada238 Posts
On February 27 2014 05:46 Holyflare wrote: Still want thechyz to answer this by the way it's the only thing i want him to write about before i get a stance on him x_x I was getting shit for playing the way I wanted to play and people wouldn't stop circlejerking around the fact that I don't play like they expect. So instead of trying to argue about philosophies in which is such a tangential topic I decided that I would have to learn to play the TL way and give them what they expect of me and that is to make a case. And also I had my thoughts on geript as most scummy for quiet some time in the game so thats why I talked about him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 27 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: btw i guarantee everyone Holyflare is town. You may call me the worst mafia player ever if he is mafia in this game. Deal. What do I have to say / what are you allowed to call me if he's town? Geript and Mocsta more scummy but bottom 3 is still too good odds to let this slip. | ||
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