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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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geript
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote: It's not so much agreeing per se but more the fact that the only reason you start to jump on mocsta is because of something i wrote (scum slip thing) and then when he explains it you completely drop your initial suspicion and talk over points with him and instead of getting to the bottom of motives you instead just disagree or point out why you think what he is saying is wrong/not possible. It doesn't look like an interaction with someone in your "bottom 3" scum suspects at all. Then there's your read on me... which is.... just lol I never explained my suspicion on mocsta except for 10 minutes ago. The scumslip was because I wanted to people to talk about it. Either way it should mean for people that either you are scum because you're pulling some shit or he's mafia because the scumslip was truely a slip and people ignored it, which is odd to say the least if you got a 50/50 to hit scum. I took it at facevalue because he was in my bottom list at that point and a scumslip would make sense on him. When I looked at it for a second time I realized that it might as well just be nothing and him taking a dig at someone. Got overexcited. I could understand someone thinking that's been my beef with mocsta though, the word scumslip tends to be very flashy and sticks in peoples memory... so I'm okay with that for now. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:21 Toadesstern wrote: In case anyone wonders because I've been mostly spending my time on geript and didn't get to explain more in detail. The above is one of the main reasons I don't like mocsta atm. This post makes very little sense from a town PoV imo. Okay I get that Rayn doesn't respect my townplay and I would have guessed so. Now I don't know what those irc talks are about but telling him to ignore me is just bullshit. Rayn doesn't respect my townplay, no shit sherlock, if he did he'd be voting geript right now... But not respecting my townplay doesn't mean he should just toss me in a corner and not try to read me. That's one of the most anti-town idea's I've ever read. I can actually say the feeling's quite mutual and I think rayn is aware of that. I am sure he knows I'm taking digs at him for being wrong A LOT in... I always forget the name... the parity cop game I already referenced. Still I do end up with a read on him and Mocsta isn't holding that against me. The reason that's a yellow and not an orange in my sheet is because I have no idea what thse irc talks were like but anyways, don't like that sentiment. The problem is that's not true and Mocsta knows it. I always look at the games from "this game" perspective. The person whose townplay i respect the least (besides supersoft because he is just a whiny bitch) is Oats, and yet, in every game i treat Oats as i treat any other player until he starts doing stupid stuff. Always, AL-FUCKING-WAYS! Read the post i posted about Oats/Toad SMB post game, this one: On January 27 2014 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I policy lynch a shitton. I just do it after i see who are playing and who are not. I don't like policy lynching at the game start based on "this dude will not help anyways", i think that's dumb. Mocsta knows this! Again, I never, ever, at the start of the game think "yeah i can't read this guy so i ignore him". NEVER. The only point of that post by Mocsta is to grow distrust between Toad and me for some arbitary reason he made up. Maybe even make Toad go nuts on me for some IRC conversation i don't even remember, yes, i may have bitched about Toad's play after the SMB game but that NEVER translates to another game BEFORE something similar happens in this PARTICULAR game. AND MOCSTA KNOWS IT! 100% | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:30 geript wrote: No I get that read coming from Moc. Again I'm not super town on him, but I know how he could transition between those reads after thinking about it. I actually think the scummiest thing (a few times at that) that Moc has said was about Suki's question, "if I'm scum to you why aren't you voting for me?" Moc has off and on used that as a heuristic for catching scum. Even if it isn't a good one him insta reading her scum for that question felt really weird from town Moc. That's not the point. The point is he does a big read on suki's posts, and ends up in a null read on her. Then he "re-reads the thread" and has a different read on suki. Now what was the point of the FIRST post? He says he didn't even read closely but still he was able to write one of his biggest posts in the game on it?!??!!?!? Seriously? He is basically saying his first post is bullshit for some reason. Well the effort put on the post doesn't seem like bullshit to me. Much effort = bullshit post in Mocsta's opinion. Usually it goes another way around. | ||
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geript
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geript
10024 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not the point. The point is he does a big read on suki's posts, and ends up in a null read on her. Then he "re-reads the thread" and has a different read on suki. Now what was the point of the FIRST post? He says he didn't even read closely but still he was able to write one of his biggest posts in the game on it?!??!!?!? Seriously? He is basically saying his first post is bullshit for some reason. Well the effort put on the post doesn't seem like bullshit to me. Much effort = bullshit post in Mocsta's opinion. Usually it goes another way around. No I got that point but it's not in any way convincing for me. It's just a discrepancy which is just as common as town as it is scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:42 geript wrote: Meh I don't take it that way Rayn. Nappy nap time But that's the way it is. If i read the thread first time as it grows, and call you out for most of your posts and in the end make a post that ends up in "null", and after a while i say you are town for the same shit, what do you ask yourself? 1) Why is this contradictory? 2) Why does the guy call out my posts as the thread grows but now calls me town for it? 3) Did he not read the thread closely the first time? But fuck, he did even do a full re-read of my posts as he EVEN STARTED TO BUILD A CASE on me.. but ended up on null. Now he did another re-read of the thread (my posts) and calls me town. Okay so, this guy has read my posts THREE times. Has three different conclusions.. Okay maybe the first one and the second one can be explained by misreading. But fuck, THREE TIMES?!?!? No fucking way. | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
Here he actively participates in discussions, and I'm confident in stating that the post tone is a lot different. Doesn't change where I stand with WoS though. Multiple of his actions don't make sense from a town point of view, him abandoning the gumshoe vote so quickly, suspecting me for not commenting on a player he doesn't know anything about, the not delivered look at a gumshoe scumgame he promised. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Vivax
22414 Posts
On February 27 2014 05:01 geript wrote: He's referring to JJD's interaction with Mocsta about Mocsta phoneposting Sukmi instead of Suki where Suki responds and JJD gets in there a bit Moc. It shows that Wave is connecting various points together at once; like his mind is bouncing around instead of specifically looking for something he can latch onto. That fact is not only supertown but like super super town for WoS as well. I could go on further to explain but there's no point in doing further right now. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/haZd1Wl.jpg) | ||
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geript
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:49 Vivax wrote: After rereading GSL IV I gotta say that I find gumshoe a lot less scummy. Basically all he has been doing in that game was justifying for people he could lynch, summarizing stuff and defending himself. Here he actively participates in discussions, and I'm confident in stating that the post tone is a lot different. Doesn't change where I stand with WoS though. Multiple of his actions don't make sense from a town point of view, him abandoning the gumshoe vote so quickly, suspecting me for not commenting on a player he doesn't know anything about, the not delivered look at a gumshoe scumgame he promised. Already explained im not suspecting you for your read on Chyz specifically, it's for your refusing to give reasoning and engage the thread on it. Abandoning gumshoe vote-Rayn and I got each other to switch stances on him to some degree. Nothing much to comment on there---hell I'd even go so far as to say I forgot about my request for him to deliver a read not-based on meta because we were to busy grilling the fuck out of each other. It wasn't my primary reason for finding him scummy anyway, which is not the same for your case. I've got more on you coming too, but I have to do it when I have more time. And I DID look at the gumshoe scumgame and I fucking commented on it---you know, all that stuff where I say from his scumgame it's obvious that he knows what his own meta is like because he gets all martyr-y there too! I can actually actively SEE where you're just tacking on points now to fit your 'case.' This is the first you mention of that. Boy oh boy I nwas trying not to do this 'cause inc; shitfest when I write up stuff on you later, but ##Vote: Vivax. I have reasons for considering gumshoe townier than I originally did. For you I have no such thing; in fact instead of making yourself look better I think you look worse. There is one post specifically that I really hate of yours, I'm wondering if anyone else will bother to find it. Your filter isn't that long. Unfortunately I get the feeling I can't count on Rayn for this one since he hasn't responded to requests I made to look at you so I'll have to come back and show everyone myself later. Hint: It's from before where JJD/I call him out. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 27 2014 02:53 Vivax wrote: Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way, and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe Oh well back to lurking. Something VERY wrong with this post here. Be back later to explain when inevitably nobody bothers to attempt to comment on it or other Vivax-related stuff I mentioned (not you JJD lol). | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:57 geript wrote: If that's the case then you need to explain how Moc is different from Toad then. Because toad is like sacred terrify for you but doing the same shit. Because Toad has clear train of thought that does not change for no reason which is totally different from Mocsta. He has a read and he is pushing the read. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/56vQIim.png) On February 27 2014 06:57 geript wrote: If that's the case then you need to explain how Moc is different from Toad then. Because toad is like sacred terrify for you but doing the same shit. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 27 2014 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: No what gerpit is accusing you of is totally not what i just described of Mocsta. exactly. And he's going to point at his posts, going to say "here, toad doing bullshit" and leave it at that... | ||
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