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On February 28 2014 01:38 Vivax wrote:
It would be welcome if everyone posted a verdict on me before we're short before deadline. I think the wagon on me still is missing an opinion from Ange7, cavalinho, chyz, JJD, Toad, rayn. Everyone else has already taken a stance on it if I'm not mistaken. I thought I gave my opinion on u.
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On February 28 2014 01:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 01:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 28 2014 01:38 Vivax wrote:
It would be welcome if everyone posted a verdict on me before we're short before deadline. I think the wagon on me still is missing an opinion from Ange7, cavalinho, chyz, JJD, Toad, rayn. Everyone else has already taken a stance on it if I'm not mistaken. I thought I gave my opinion on u. You said null, I think you have enough material in my filter to reach a more definite conclusion.
I said null cause people said to remove my association reads. I originally said leaning town.
My conclusion is that I dont want to lynch you but I wouldn't write your name in green or anything.
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On February 28 2014 02:28 Vivax wrote:
JJD can you think of any reason not to lynch Mocsta?
Also I'm kinda at loss why HF lost the will to lynch him after writing this: Pre-flip association...blah blah...
But yeah, I may end up w/ my vote on Moc if I can't get people to follow me on gumshoe since I don't think I'm gonna like any of the other wagons.
Yeah that holyflare thing is wierd. I hadn't been crazy about his posts earlier and I guess rayn convinced me to not give him too much of a look w/ his whole 100% town speil.
I'll look into him some more.
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Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense:
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:##vote GumshoeFirst off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident.
On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar. On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:More similarities between GSL and this game Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. Then why did you ask me to find the post? Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies. Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
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On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. Citation needed
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OK, can someone else please ask gumshoe to back his claim that I've mostly sheeped suki. Or explain why he's continuing to make stuff up even after I already shot his case to shit?
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On February 28 2014 03:38 gumshoe wrote:
You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you. Yet you had no problem going back and forth discussing things w/ me yesterday. Is the reason you refuse to discuss this in particular because you've been completely caught in a lie?
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On February 28 2014 03:44 gumshoe wrote:
What is scums motive for back tracking while no one is willing to lynch Geript?
ARE YOU FN KIDDING ME? You based half your case on me for going back on my reads. You even specifically used the work "backtrack"On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack.
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On February 28 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 03:38 gumshoe wrote:
You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you. Yet you had no problem going back and forth discussing things w/ me yesterday. Is the reason you refuse to discuss this in particular because you've been completely caught in a lie? Not only that but you've been discussing plenty of shit w/ vivax who you supposedly have as a scum read as well.
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On February 28 2014 04:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 04:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 28 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 28 2014 03:38 gumshoe wrote:
You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you. Yet you had no problem going back and forth discussing things w/ me yesterday. Is the reason you refuse to discuss this in particular because you've been completely caught in a lie? Not only that but you've been discussing plenty of shit w/ vivax who you supposedly have as a scum read as well. He is my number two scum read ( : big gap in between the two, what do you think the titan fall hype?
Why are you responding to me right now? Is it because you actually have an answer to this but not an answer as to why you lied earlier or why your "backtrack" read is scum for 1 person but not another?
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On February 28 2014 04:34 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 04:31 Vivax wrote:And with that I mean: How did you go from this So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him) to this He is my number two scum read ( : big gap in between the two, what do you think the titan fall hype? Whats changed? I still think your all scum. You must be pretty desperate to be nitpicking this hard. because YOU'RE the one seperating your reads. you can't just say "I still think your all scum" and then say "Well I refuse to talk to JJD because I have him as more scummy than vivax"
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On February 28 2014 04:45 Vivax wrote:
Dude, there's one part in your case that doesn't assume JJD and suki are scum together:
There's more than 1 part. Several times he uses terms like "buddy up" and "sheep" which just doesn't work when talking about scumbuddies. Furthermore it's just not true @ all as I proved when I shot down his case here:+ Show Spoiler +On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case.
And then he didn't even acknowledge that I totally proved his case wrong and again says the same thing.On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. Then when I question him about it, he says he's not gonna talk to me cause I'm his #1 scumread.
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On February 28 2014 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: suki
I'll be back before deadline if i wake up.
Please read my gumshoe case
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On February 28 2014 04:51 gumshoe wrote:
Hes been on and off Moc, Me and Chyz and he just back traked on Suki as well. My irrational certainty of Mocsta is based off a games worth of experience with him together as scum, Jar's faith in Suki was based off one post and as the heat mounted onto her he forgoed her as well. Oh and that one piece of my case saying theyre not scum together is exactly why I would prefer to not lynch Suki before him or you. Shes still probally scum, and I'll gladly vote for her, I'm just making preferences clear. Backtracked off what? The whole connection between suki and myself is a lie that you manufactured. Here, I'll again post what you keep ignoring On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.
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On February 28 2014 05:12 Vivax wrote:
JarJar is there anything in gumshoe's play that suggests to you that you're dealing with scum as opposed to a bad townie?
I'm curious cause not everyone posting a bad case on you has to be scum, if you could post some reasons outside of his case on you it would be great (or point me to them).
are you reading my cases? He's actively making stuff up. He's not just making a bad case on me. He's twisting things to make his case.
He's acting just like he was in GSL where he pretended to be so confident about mattchew. I already posted 2 examples where his play there mirrors his play here:On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.
And that was scumread vs townread. Now it's scumread vs scumread. He obviously can't be as confident against me as he's pretending to be because of how bad the case is.
And the 2nd example:On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:More similarities between GSL and this game Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. Then why did you ask me to find the post? Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies. Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
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On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote:All aboard the shitty town read train! Show nested quote +, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"
Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. Show nested quote +But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Show nested quote +I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.
The suki case was bad. And those four posts (the first 3 of which are all basically the same thing) is enough to make you say:On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. ???
And you still haven't answered this:On February 28 2014 03:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. Citation needed
Please explain.
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On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote:and eventually when it looks kinda like Suki is going to be lynched. OK you're making up lies again. Please explain how it looked like Suki was gonna get lynched. She had ONE vote on her @ that time I believe.
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On February 28 2014 05:43 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 05:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:And you still haven't answered this: On February 28 2014 03:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. Citation needed Please explain. Suki poked away at Chyz before you, Moc and me were pretty much her scum reads. You accusations line up perfectly with hers, or are rooted in the bilief shes town. OK first off I'm pretty sure you're wrong and I was on Chyz first. But even if I wasn't, there was several other people on him. Why would you say I sheeped her specifically? And how does that 1 incident equate to "Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.".
And again, don't just say stuff. Please post examples. Because I think ur wrong that she was on chyz first.
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WoS, please read my gumshoe cases.
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On February 28 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote:
Also as scum it's your job to spot trends and run ahead of them, of course you would choose to flip flop on Suki before she becomes public enemy number one.
And again you're misrepresenting things. You're making it look like all of a sudden suki became a top scumread of mine. All I said was I was starting to suspect she was your scumbuddy. It's like I'm pushing for her to be lynched.
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