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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 17:02 GMT
#774
@geript & Toad

opinion on Chyz?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 19:27 GMT
#807
vivax, how do you feel about Chyz or the people voting him? I find it odd that you haven't mentioned him despite the fact that he's got 4 votes on him right now.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 20:18 GMT
#837
What are you saying w/ that post rayn? I'm pretty sure Vivax isn't talking about me there.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 20:49 GMT
#874
On February 27 2014 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah I'm reading JJD right now. It's sort of the same thing I guess but Vivax goes into specific detail while JJD simply just goes off of gumshoe's sentiment at the time. You are right though it's not completely novel and so now I feel better about being suspicious of Vivax.

Can you read into JJD a little for me?
He flip-flops around a lot on Mocsta which I actually find decently townie, but the problem is throughout his posting, his reads look as though they're echoing wherever he guesses thread sentiment to be going at the time. He also says he agrees with my sentiment (the post you and I argued about forever) but never comments on it beyond that point or expands; you'd think that a comment on his strongest scumread at the time would warrant a little more.

The only thing that bothers me with JJD is that (i hope i am not lying here because i am not 100% sure if he has in fact done this ^^) he's not came up with a case that's actually JJD'ish already. But from what i read the post i just referenced in addition to Vivax' one, i stand behind my townread on him for the towniness of the thought process in that post.

I actually find his later posting is what makes me feel a little better---the post that turned me onto Vivax specifically.
JJD you're around, aren't you?

I'm around and I just went back and reread and it does seem like you're right about me seeming to follow thread sentiment. Don't know what to say about that except that I think the cases I brought up were mostly original @ least even if they were on people that were already being suspected. I can only suspect who I suspect.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 20:58 GMT
#882
On February 27 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
JJD why is originality of one's case important?
IDK, I guess it isn't after thinking about it. Scratch that part then. My only defense about following thread sentiment is that it's coincidental. I dont know what else I can say.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 23:56 GMT
#975
##unvote

Chz's last bunch of posts read pretty townie to me.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 00:50 GMT
#1017
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.
OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 02:27 GMT
#1081
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far.
Ok even Moc changed his tune here and said he agreed w/ me about sukis post being lighthearted.


On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.


Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc.
Selective quoting much? I was confronted about my accusations against moc by moc? Here's the full quote:
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.
You call that being confronted? Moc made a mostly joke post. Don't try to imply my read on you was me responding to pressure or something like that.


On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
Show nested quote +
Suki reads very town to me.

I was asked so I answered. Again you're cherry picking parts of my posts.


On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
Buddying seems like a strange term to use about 2 people you think are scum

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 02:44 GMT
#1089
On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post.

On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town?

I like her attitude after my callout.
I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered.

Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.
I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example.

There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 03:18 GMT
#1110
On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.


gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)".
That makes absolutely no sense.

I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 04:38 GMT
#1157
On February 27 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:
The only reason I'm not jumping on this Mocsta train is because I still want him to try and explain his reads.
So are you still waiting or are you satisfied?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 05:14 GMT
#1175
On February 27 2014 13:58 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 13:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:
The only reason I'm not jumping on this Mocsta train is because I still want him to try and explain his reads.
So are you still waiting or are you satisfied?


Yeah, he already gave me a pretty reliable answer for the moment.

Why are you asking this question?
Um, to get an answer. Were you not planning on letting people know about your read on mocsta untill I asked?

Like you make these statements and then don't follow up on them. Like you're only trying to find the right thing to say @ the time. For instance:
On February 27 2014 13:04 Cavalinho wrote:
At a glance, this seems like a pretty good case. I'm gonna look through her filter to see what's up.
Have you filter dived yet? Any conclusions you'd like to share?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 14:11 GMT
#1292
##vote Gumshoe

First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.

Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case.


I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.

He just can't possibly be that confident.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 14:14 GMT
#1295
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.

He just can't possibly be that confident.
And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 14:16 GMT
#1299
More similarities between GSL and this game

On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.


gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)".
That makes absolutely no sense.

I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?


Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.



On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:08 GMT
#1332
On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote:
Votecount

Mocsta (2) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript

gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (2) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet

Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki

Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho



Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!
I think ur missing gumshoe voting for me
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:11 GMT
#1336
On February 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote:
JarJar what's your take on me? I'm a more likely candidate than gum atm.
I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:36 GMT
#1354
On February 28 2014 00:09 Mocsta wrote:

I was wondering whetherh you disappeared or chose to ignore my comment about Thrawn/Shoe.
Guess its the latter

Sorry, Didn't really see that as a question @ first

On February 27 2014 23:16 Mocsta wrote:
I think the real question should be whether scum gumshoe has any value to insert me as a town read at that point in time. You could argue he used me as a platform to leap onto Suki, but did this really go anywhere?

Well my answer u probably wont like because it involves pre-flip association but here goes:

I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead.

Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:39 GMT
#1358
On February 28 2014 00:13 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 00:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote:
JarJar what's your take on me? I'm a more likely candidate than gum atm.
I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town.

im keen to hear a bit more about this one.
I don't think any of the cases against him are all that strong. The reason I'm leaning town as opposed to null is because him being scum doesn't mesh all that well w/ gumshoe as his scumbuddy.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:45 GMT
#1361
On February 28 2014 00:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 00:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:13 Mocsta wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote:
JarJar what's your take on me? I'm a more likely candidate than gum atm.
I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town.

im keen to hear a bit more about this one.
I don't think any of the cases against him are all that strong. The reason I'm leaning town as opposed to null is because him being scum doesn't mesh all that well w/ gumshoe as his scumbuddy.


i suggest you refrain from any and all pre-flip associations and just vote people on the merit of their scummyness
Well OK. Then he's null for me.

But ya know, I hear people say this shit all the time. I don't know where this idea came from but I think it's dumb to not take every bit of information into account when voting.
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