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We lynch suki on D2 if her filter is not 9 pages on D1. game ez! | ||
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On February 20 2014 02:22 marvellosity wrote: How is prplhz not a cool name. Cmon Koshi. I actually think it's one of the coolest names i have seen. | ||
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On day 1 each player will be randomly assigned a vote on someone else. No one will have more than 3 votes on them to begin with. ##vote: raynpelikoneet I have a plan and i am not sure if this is the best plan because i have not thought it through from every angle yet but does anyone know what i am doing? | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:05 Toadesstern wrote: the point is that you're not allowed to unvote at any point during the game, thus you can not start "unvoted" because you'd stay "unvoted" until you vote someone. Well that's stupid. In that case my plan is foolproof and the best play. At every time you are "not voting for anyone" your vote must be on yourself. | ||
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I don't understand your last question suki. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:09 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: I actually thought it was for instant majority purposes first, because your vote will be on the player you voted last after the lynch and night kills. Then I realized it's not an IM game. I thought the votes that are random on D1 and the mechanics that apply to the voting past D1 will be permanent. Like if i had voted you on D1 end, on D2 you would have my vote on you in addition to normal votes cast on D2. I am bad at explaining this, hope you get what i mean. As it seems like, this voting "mechanic" is useless and will not help any faction as it is. I don't understand the point of it. Like hosts make us cast a "random" vote at the start of every day? What's the point? To prevent people from being modkilled because of not voting? I don't see how this affects anything so there is no point in discussing it further, it's just useless mechanic. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote: rayn, do you see any suspicious people or are you too busy with the thing with the standard votes that I don't understand. not really, no. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:21 prplhz wrote: But who cares where your vote is at, why even bother to implement a plan that allows people to do nothing. No, I don't expect people to have big scum reads right now but that doesn't mean we need to implement a plan to virtually unvote in an unvote free voting system. It just serves absolutely no purpose. Well apparently you care where my vote is at? | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:35 Palmar wrote: I agree with what prplhz is saying, and to the extend that I don't understand why people care where votes are parked. It's completely irrelevant, there is no pressure in a vote that isn't being actively pushed as a lynch target. No one cares. I have no idea why rayn seems to think we need a plan to address that non-problem. It's an extremely bad opening discussion point and serves no purpose. Do you agree with prplhz's vote on me? Actually this goes to everyone. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:38 Toadesstern wrote: If you read my posts, you'll find that I actually said the exact same thing and that I as well have my vote on you. So yes. So why is your vote not on me? | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:42 Palmar wrote: How about you explain your idea yourself? I mean I posted the two options I saw, but you can probably elaborate better than I on your intentions. Now this is the point. I already did. Why are you not reading? | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:45 Koshi wrote: This game is above my paygrade atm. Sleep time. Don't worry just sheep me. I won't let you down. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:46 suki wrote: I agree that finding a way to 'unvote' is stupid. I don't think it makes me lean scum or town on rayn either way. So what do you think. Is that all you see in my posts? Because if it is and you are right then i am pretty surely mafia because i am not some random noob who says irrelevant stuff as town. | ||
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I'll tell you who to vote for later. You could help too. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:54 marvellosity wrote: Hello everyone. Do I need to read before I go to bed? A quick skim of this page and everything looks super serious already. On February 20 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: When marv comes in, he'll explain my posts to everyone. Trust me, he has do to that, even as mafia. Then we lynch mafia. | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:04 Palmar wrote: Like I don't mind you asking questions, but please believe my answers. If I say I don't know if it makes rayn scum, then that probably means I don't know if it makes rayn scum. How can you agree with prplhz's vote if you don't think i am necessarily scum? | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:11 Palmar wrote: I'm asking exactly for your motives. But for some reason you don't seem to want to tell me? You are supposed to make educated guesses about my motives and post your conclusions about them. Apparently you don't understand them. That's technically fine. What's not fine is you blindly soft +1 prplhz and Toad while saying you don't understand what's going on. | ||
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There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are: 1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate. However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at. 2) I did the same pro-town thing as mafia. 3) I just made all this up and and i was just saying shit for no reason at the start of the game. Now here is my question, especially to prplhz, Toad, Palmar and suki; Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why. If what i was doing was (1), then i am town. If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment. If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly. So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad? | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: there's plenty of people throwing around votes in every single game, for fun, for policy, for random reasons or whatever else. So if it's not a problem in any other game, why do you think it's going to be a problem in this one to the point that you think we should make a "no voting someone else unless you're super certain" policy? Do you actually think it's something that should be policy in every game? That's not what i am saying. Stop fucking twisting my words or l2read. I am already getting mad at you and that's not what i want. | ||
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On February 20 2014 11:04 Toadesstern wrote: I wasn't able to come up with a reason for you to propose what you did as town while being able come up with a reasoning for it as mafia despite it being a sketchy reasoning. So I wanted you to explain yourself. It's basicly the same way I caught mafia the last game were you got me lynched. Remember the miller thing that I pointed out 3 hours into the game and I wasn't sure what to make of it early on? It's literally the same thing and I'm not liking it one bit. Well i came up with a reasoning, why is my reasoning not possible and how does it not line up with my actions in thread? Just because you don't understand something does not mean i can't possibly make sense. | ||
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suki i am always serious. | ||
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Have you ever, as town, unvoted in a mafia game? | ||
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So we can exclude that part. What was your reasoning for unvote as town? | ||
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On February 20 2014 11:33 prplhz wrote: I still think that raynpelikoneet's plan is completely useless and no townie has any reason to come up with or push it. I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this. Also this is why prplhz is mafia. It's an obvious contradiction that makes no sense. ##unvote ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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I am not voting for you so i don't need to explain anything. | ||
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On February 20 2014 11:51 suki wrote: Oh really rayn? Why are you avoiding my question? There is no reason to do so if you're town. Who cares if you're not voting for me, you said your vote on me was serious so what's the big secret? Answer to rayn's question: I suppose most of the time when I unvote its when one of my cases falls flat and I don't have a basis to suspect that person anymore. So then, you're arguing here that being able to unvote aids in transparency and shows exactly where I stand, which includes being neutral. Which, I get. But put in a situation where a town person can't unvote but they don't find X person suspicious anymore, the obvious move is to find their next target and then move their vote there. If they don't, people can pressure them to do so. It is to town's benefit that everybody be forced to be accountable for their reads. If neutral is no longer an option, then everybody must take a stance on someone, which is where their vote is. People being forced to take a stance is pro-town. Now, first of all why did you feel the need to spoiler your answer, it's really annoying. So i'll take it off the spoilers. Secondly, if the bolded part is true why are you not pushing this policy in every game with normal mechanics? Now to my answer to you; Mafia does not usually call me mafia when i am town. Because that's a suicide. They call me stupid or whatever shit and try to discredit me. That's a better way because if you call me scum you get lynched. That's exactly what you did. Also you are calling my plan stupid, which it isn't. Now that's something i can get from people who are stupid. But i don't think you are stupid. And that's why i am now proving you calling my plan stupid is a way to not call me mafia because you know i am not mafia but rather to discredit me without calling me mafia. | ||
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On February 20 2014 12:03 VIVAX420 wrote: when i have somehting to say i will talk? ~~~ rayn you coached suki right? No i have no coached suki. You should vote for prplhz, he's scum. | ||
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Could you clarify the question? I don't understand what do you want. | ||
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On February 20 2014 13:33 Balla24 wrote: Also rayn, did you still want to explain why you wanted marv to explain first? If marv does not understand what i mean then i can get other people do not aswell. | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote: @rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote: Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Toad how do these two comments go together? | ||
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I understand that prplhz's contradiction is not a contradiction, which leads me to this; First he says i do something scummy. Okay i can get that. Then marv says it's not scummy. Then i give my reasoning for what i did what i did. Then prplhz says it's scummy but he also says it's not scummy because marv said so. My problem is why does he need marv say it's not scummy before he realises this? Also after this he STILL thinks it's scummy but not really. Can anyone tell me does prplhz really think it's scummy or not himself and why? My other concern is when exactly prplhz drops the scumread on me? Nothing one ever says is not necessarily scummy. The only reason that makes anything scummy is if there is no townie reason for saying something. prplhz is not even looking why i am saying what i am, he only looks the action itself and paints as something. That's the wrong way. suki keeps talking about this and he doesn't even think it's scummy. Why? Why keep talking about something that's not helping? Not only that, she keeps attacking the ONLY person who actually agrees with him on this (Balla). Why? She is also not looking about "why" instead of "what". Balla made it very clear why he said what he did and i totally get that. It's not really hard to see why if you read Balla's posts. | ||
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Toad is passingly familiar enough with rayn to know that's not how rayn operates. Because this is totally not true. I don't know where did you get this? | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: there's plenty of people throwing around votes in every single game, for fun, for policy, for random reasons or whatever else. So if it's not a problem in any other game, why do you think it's going to be a problem in this one to the point that you think we should make a "no voting someone else unless you're super certain" policy? Do you actually think it's something that should be policy in every game? Because this is totally not what i said and it proves Toad is not really even reading my posts or trying to understand me. | ||
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On February 20 2014 21:31 marvellosity wrote: Dunno. Seems like it should be true. Toad's been around lately and you've been around. I don't think i had a single conversation with Toad in that game and the SMB game proves he definitely does not get how i operate and actually demonstrates the same thing i see here, he is not reading my posts properly. Which apparently is not scummy for him. | ||
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- I have Oats as my #1 scumread, Toad as #2. - Toad does something i think is scummy. - I vote for Toad. - Toad says "why don't you vote for Oats who is your top scumread" - I tell him "because you did this that made me reconsider who is the scummiest and i think it's you" - "No you are mafia because you are not voting for your top scumread" | ||
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On February 20 2014 21:46 marvellosity wrote: those things are totally unrelated to what he did this game... ? Well doesn't what he says make sense? I mean his explanation after you pointed out this: 1) "I'm not going after him seriously" and 2) "but I need to hear from him about this" 1) is backing out of it and yet you're pushing it with 2) | ||
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On February 20 2014 21:55 prplhz wrote: that wasn't my point, rayn said that unvoting is a townie thing and whenever scum do it it's because they want to look townie, then i said that that didn't matter because they would still do it in a scummy way rayn thinks that unvoting is something townies do to make their stance clear and scum do it to emulate townies so it's a good thing if we implement an unvote plan because then townies can avoid having weird votes and we can't catch scums on it anyway because they're just acting like townies my point is that scum ideally will not be able to act like townies all the time and forcing them to have an opinion and not unvoting is going to make it more likely that they'll slip and more likely that we'll catch them i don't think that a scum rayn would create and push this plan for the benefit scum has from an unvote mechanism either. i just think the whole plan is more likely to come from a scum POV than a town POV. he is arguing for why it's a good idea for town (of course any scum would only push a plan if they think they can convince town it is good for them) but i think that's because of the conflicting "i am scum so i want to do something good for town but not actually" POV. But you know, unvoting IS having an opinion. | ||
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On February 20 2014 21:59 Palmar wrote: I like some points he's made. Do you know that when kush is mafia he loves nothing more than being right? If prplhz is town and Toad is scum oh boy how that fits into scum!kush. | ||
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On February 20 2014 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also when exactly did you stop thinking i am mafia? Could you point out the post that made you think so. Normally i would think people stop thinking other people are mafia when they unvote the person but apparently it's impossible in this game because people are being retarded and i am being called stupid. On February 20 2014 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you clarify the question? I don't understand what do you want. On February 20 2014 12:50 VIVAX420 wrote: k that's a no. you have no thoughts on that. Does it look like kush really cares about his question? Because the bolded part is an answer to his question. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:19 Palmar wrote: yeah, koshi has been a bit shit hasn't he? Especially his last post with reads. It makes no sense to me. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:22 marvellosity wrote: I literally can't be bothered to think about Koshi. If it's a few hours before deadline and I'm not happy then I'll start to worry. Yeah that was just an observation atm. I also didn't like prplhz's last post. I want him to talk about something that's scummy in his opinion. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:24 Koshi wrote: Hey, why can't we love Koshi? Because you should know kush better to not give him a townread and all your "lynchable" players are because of crap reasoning and you even put both suki and Balla to the same category which makes no sense. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:25 Palmar wrote: The one guy I need to read is this balla Don't worry that's most likely gonna be quite easy. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:25 Palmar wrote: If Balla does not post a lot more content he is mafia. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote: They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible" wait wait wait. what? | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:35 Toadesstern wrote: I just got back in here finished reading... give me some time but it's actually up in there if you consider the fact that it's a write-up while reading and things changing a little "why didn't you think it's blue? - I have no idea what blue is, so I thought it might be green or yellow and thought that's weird, once you explained what blue is I realized it might be blue" So you are saying you didn't know how i came up with what i did after i said in thread why i came up with it. Explain to me where in your opinion i explain why i came up with what i did. In other words, what happened between the posts of your i quoted? | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:42 Toadesstern wrote: no I'm saying I didn't have the same misunderstanding you had about the phrasing, therefore what you innitially thought didn't cross my mind and wasn't part of my theories what you might be doing with that plan of yours. Once you cleared up that you thought those votes would add up I realized it might make sense given that misunderstanding. I just never had that misunderstanding to begin with which is the reason I couldn't make sense of it. My problem is this. And now, please answer this properly and in detail: You make a post which says this: On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote: @rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Then there is something that happens between here because you then say this: On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote: Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Now what is that something that happens between these posts? Why do you change your mind and what's the particular post that makes you change your mind? | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:51 Toadesstern wrote: You asked me about my reasoning earlier on. The first part is talking about my stance on you and how I got to that stance from my PoV before you did this post: + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here we go (marv i would have expected a bit more from you, i am sad): There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are: 1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate. However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at. 2) I did the same pro-town thing as mafia. 3) I just made all this up and and i was just saying shit for no reason at the start of the game. Now here is my question, especially to prplhz, Toad, Palmar and suki; Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why. If what i was doing was (1), then i am town. If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment. If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly. So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad? The second part you're quoting is explaining how I realized that your explanation (the above post) makes sense if we take the misunderstanding as a given, which I did not consider before you cleared it up simply because I did not have that same misunderstanding. Now this can't possibly be true because your response to me is a response to the post where i explain myself. I never asked you why you DID think i am mafia, i asked you why you DO think i am mafia given my explanation. Like you really didn't understand that? | ||
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Toad: "you are mafia because of X" Me: "This is why i said X from every perspective. #1 i am town and this is why i said it..." Toad: "Well #1 can't be true" Some random shit happens here. Me: So do you think i am mafia or not? Toad: Not necessarily because #1 can be true. So this fucking shit does not make any sense to me because Toad is changing his mind based on nothing relevant to the discussion. I especially asked, based on my reasoning "which is it". Here, is this question so unclear Toad can possibly twist it into something stupid: On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate. However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at. [.....] If what i was doing was (1), then i am town. If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment. If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly. So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad? On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote: @rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Can't be #2 either for same reason. Therefore I was asking myself if it's #3, #4 the "I'm paranoid" or #5 the "I'm missing something" [.... here is where some random shit happens.....] On February 20 2014 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why do you think i am mafia Toad? On February 20 2014 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't dance around the issue and make a clear case. On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote: Foolishness told me in pm's to wait a little longer and not just claim d1 to get him lynched Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Now, there MUST BE SOMETHING BETWEEN THE RED PARTS that makes Toad change his mind. What is it? | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:20 Toadesstern wrote: Dude I just told you that the first red part you quoted is talking about my stance on you BEFORE you did that giant post explaining it and that the giant post you did is the thing that changed my mind. Do you just not believe it or do you ignore that? Because if you put it in that order it makes an awful lot of sense. And i am telling you it can't possibly be tru because you literally reference the post and not talk about "before"!!! | ||
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When i press it further he answers the rest of the post and reaches into conclusion "not so scummy any more". Now, who the fuck answers only the parts of a post that suit his agenda? mafia. | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:24 Toadesstern wrote: how about marv explains the things that freak out rayn about me and rayn explains the things freak out marv about me and we're all happy? Because I have still no idea what's the issue with anything here and it's getting quite frustrating to state it over again even if someone else already pointed the exact same thing out before I got in here again and explains how it's just pisspoor wording? You are asked a very clear question and you answer it by only referencing a small portion of the explanation. You didn't even read the whole post of mine or you are intentionally leaving out the portion that does not suit your "rayn is scum" agenda. Both of the explanations are extremely scummy. | ||
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1) I am town and telling the truth about what i am saying here. 2) I am mafia and telling the truth about what i am saying here for some reason. 3) I am mafia and i am bullshitting here. What other options there are? Because if you want to give another option it's "rayn is town and he is lying" which can't possibly be true. | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:48 marvellosity wrote: suki, explain to me how this is more likely to come from mafia than town, please. also read the last sentence in suki's post. | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:57 Palmar wrote: I don't see anything alignment indicative in that last sentence. One of the reasons Koshi is mafia is because he says he'll sheep me or marv because he thinks we are town. suki makes a case on Koshi and in the end says she'll sheep onto Toad at the end of the day. makes sense how? | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:41 Palmar wrote: rayn are marv and I town? marv pretty much yes, you idk yet. | ||
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On February 21 2014 00:05 VIVAX420 wrote: rayn what specifically made you flip flop on toad? I am honestly not interested in answering any of your questions because it does not achieve anything. dealwithit. | ||
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I don't see the "this is why Koshi is mafia" type of thing. I see "here is a safe contribution". That's my interpretation of that post. | ||
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On February 21 2014 01:23 Koshi wrote: I somewhat disagree. Sidesprang played scum first shadowed game and replaced out cuz no time on D1. Then he rolled scum reboot game and played his game. I could.argue that he might be bush again and that he isnt replacing out on d1 because this time he is town and wants to play. But he has to eventually start playing. Balla vote is somewhat strange anyway. My problem is, which i expressed early on, that sidesprang is currently in two games. In both of them he apparently has no intentions of playing the game, regardless of his alignment. I don't like that. | ||
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On February 21 2014 01:31 Palmar wrote: Because you were saying dumb things. I can't be associated with such. I only say wise things. You are dumb for not understanding me, that's the only conclusion. | ||
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On February 21 2014 01:43 Palmar wrote: idk if this suki is bad lynchbait or scum. She is definitely not a lynchbait. | ||
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Let's say it does, fine. You are now voting for him. Who else is mafia? | ||
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That being said, from what I've seen so far it looks like Balla is a somewhat atypical kind of player. He's someone who plays calm and tries to avoid confrontation when rolling town while playing a lot more in your face when rolling mafia. The opposite.... really, the opposite. | ||
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Yes i am serious. You don't seem to think i am mafia. Toadesstern - you wanted more from him prplhz - you think he is town Oatsmaster - idk, you are not interested in talking about him? CuteFluffyPuppy - i'd assume you'd brought up something if you wanted to talk about him sidesprang - useless, no need to talk before he posts more VIVAX420 (kush) - not interested in talking about him? suki - gave your opinion, but no talk? Balla24 - idk, you have not brought him up Koshi - let's see until eod 1 Palmar - not interested in talking about him? so yes, i am serious, what do you want to talk about? | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:32 Toadesstern wrote: how about you show me about that while I'm out, I'll come back, read up on it and give you my opionion about your opinion. Because funnily enough even Balla said he sees what I'm seeing when talking about his early posts in games. This is a "case" i made on him in NMM, one of tha games you quoted: On January 21 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i just looked at his past games and:
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On February 21 2014 03:32 Toadesstern wrote: fine... at least it's not the same "you disagree with me so you're retarded" bullshit from last game so at least thanks for trying to not make me angry I guess. I'll take a look at suki next and probably Balla24 (and the other towngame someone linked) again tomorrow and see how he's posting in there because I still think his opening's completly off. Look, i am not trying to be an asshole towards you. I am trying to understand why you say things you do because i need to figure out if you are town or mafia. If i can't understand why, i am inclined to think you are mafia because.. well you know what i mean. I know i am really aggressive and shit, but i just want you to explain your motivations behind your posts when i don't get them as it helps me getting a better read on you. So please, if you are town, try to understand me. I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way). Basically that's why i called your post bad, but not scummy. I think you might be on the right track, but in order to get a better read on YOU and not on Balla i would like you to clarify why do you think his play in this game indicates he is playing towards his scum meta? | ||
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marv is mafia. ##unvote #vote: marvellosoty OH GOD THIS IS SO GOOD! | ||
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On February 21 2014 22:14 Palmar wrote: I have a plan. If toad flips mafia we lynch Oats, if he flips town we lynch kush. This plan is really bad because they are mosty likely all town. I don't even know where my vote is at so: ##unvote Vote: suki Toad will flip town. There is no direction in suki's play, not before i left the thread and not after. marv does not see it and instead of saying so he ignores the scummy stuff suki does and "goes on to find something townie". He even said later on "when i find scummy things i pressure those people into posting what i want to totally make up my mind on them. That's not what he is doing with suki at all and it's either terrible or scum. Fucking 14 pages of filter is the only thing that makes me doubt myself... Balla is also most likely mafia. trust me, Toad will flip town. | ||
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Your posts are some useless chatting and inbetween there is a lot of big posts you do not follow up in any way. That's charcteristic to your mafia play as is defending me for no reason. | ||
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On February 22 2014 04:20 Koshi wrote: hmm. How about marv saying it is 100% likely that Toad is mafia but changing it a bit later into 95%. Cheap trick to do it that as scum. Quite early as well. Toad refuses to comment on anybody else but you and marv. Why is that? Does this make sense from mafia!Toad's perspective? To refuse to comment on anything but ma and marv? Especially if we are both town? | ||
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On February 22 2014 04:32 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: Rayn, do you really think Balla can put all this effort in as scum? Have you seen a scum Balla game? The difference is night and day. Yes i have seen his scum games. I have also lynched him on D1 and D2 in those games. | ||
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On February 22 2014 04:41 Balla24 wrote: Based on those games I find it really hard to believe you actually think a lot of what you're saying right now about me and about suki.... This whole seems so convoluted from you rayn. Then fucking vote for me. | ||
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Toad's only scum read seems to be me. That's pretty bad... especially considering his case on me was almost solely based on early game meta, and even though I agree that my early game could possibly be interpreted as similar to my scum games, I think he was purposefully misrepresenting both what I was saying in the early game, and the context which you can see what I said about it here: I find it weird that someone would write a meta case on what LITTLE i had in the thread at that time, especially in comparison to what everybody else was doing in regards to me which was just "wait and see". I think it's a weak attempt to try to draw attention to someone who opened pretty weakly. I think it's annoying that he focused so heavily on the rayn subject and responding to questioning about it. May not be his fault, but even if I was in his shoes I would have attempted to get my opinions out on somebody else as well. I wasn't around so I don't know how rapid fire this stuff was going on. As soon as it ended he wrote a case on me and then nothing else. Looking forward to his contributions in the rest of the day. 1) so he called something scummy scummy. it makes him mafia? 2) not scummy in the slightest 3) i don't even know what this is about. Toad did something and then did something else? That makes him mafia. WHAT THE FUCK? | ||
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2) It's not scummy, it's pressure. I don't need to tell you what Toad has done after that, that was not a part of your case. Don't change your argument in the middle of one. That's bullshit. 3) So what? That's not what you say in the last paragraph. You don't say it's scummy and you don't explain why it's scummy. You say you need to hear more from him. That's what you say, not "scummy", but "need to hear more". | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:05 Balla24 wrote: Rayn pls, 3rd time, what do you think of kush? town. | ||
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In NMM: Case on VE. Next ~17 posts are questioning VE or saying why other cases are not good enough. This game: Case on Koshi. One question to marv. No follow up. BAM! Case on Balla. Ask something about Balla (he already did answer - she's not even reading his top scumreads posts). Asks people about kush more than about Balla, who she is voting for. Then BAM! Vote on kush. No talking about kush at all and BAM! Case on Palmar. roflll.. Asks Palmar about her case, 3 minutes and BAM! Vote on Toadesstern. wow, such townie. Everything she does is a case -> move on to next target. She's not defending her cases, not trying to find out more about her targets, not discussing the cases with other people. Just case -> discuss someone else -> next case -> repeat. | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:26 Balla24 wrote: In NMM: Case on zarepath -> case on bum -> back to zarepath-> unvote -> case on someone else Wow, such commitment. Yes and in that game it was easy to see why she changes her mind on those people and she was genuinely confused especially about zarepath and bumatlarge. This game there is no confusion which would read as "i don't know who to vote for". There is a huge difference. Which you obviously don't see because you just look at posts and not the motivation behind them. | ||
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Like not "he called me scum" or "i liked my scumread's case"? | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:42 Koshi wrote: jow rayn. I am not totally following thread atm but tell me this: Did scum marv already driven a lynch this hard as scum? Put his total weight behind the lynch? Own the lynch? I don't think he does that as scum. Totally on Toad. | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:49 marvellosity wrote: rayn what is my alignment? I don't know. | ||
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I am just going to come in and say "i told you" after the lynch and then i figure out whose votes on Toad are most crap. | ||
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On February 22 2014 06:05 marvellosity wrote: Basically town thought this dude called Rean was mafia at some stage. And then something happened and rayn lost the plot. And then rayn hard-defended Rean for the rest of the cycle and Rean ended up being mafia. Here rayn literally attacked Toad for 50 posts. Toad does nothing to redeem himself. rayn is convinced he's mafia. Then a flip switches and he suddenly thinks I am mafia and suddenly Toad is certain to flip town. It's just so fucking dumb. Not true for either of the games. But it doesn't matter, go ahead and lynch Toad. | ||
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Game starts, Toad's scumplan: "Let's attack people who are most likely gonna lynch me for it!" Yes, makes sense! | ||
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On February 22 2014 06:38 Palmar wrote: Rayn should we lynch the smurf instead? He would be my third pick for scum if marv starts being productive instead of just calling me stupid. | ||
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On February 22 2014 06:41 marvellosity wrote: If you stopped being stupid I'd stop calling you stupid it's a simple equation We'll see about that after Toad flips. | ||
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On February 22 2014 06:43 marvellosity wrote: Toad's flip is totally irrelevant to you being dumb No it's not. All this has to do with is Toad's and suki's alignments and if i am right and you are not then you are the one who is being dumb because suddenly my questions are totally relevant. | ||
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Anyways i am not needed here, scum are lurkers because noone opposed Toad lynch. Something like kush and sidesprang then. waiting for tha next game, you got this marv. | ||
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On February 22 2014 21:14 Oatsmaster wrote: the first one is real Ok so the toad thing right. If toad is scum then good. If toad is town then I get to stick it in your face for the rest of the game. | ||
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So kush, Slam, smurf and suki. Can easily lynch all 4, if there is a vigi, even better. There is no challenge in this game any more. | ||
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On February 22 2014 22:13 marvellosity wrote: why does Balla have to be town rayn? I don't think Toad would make such a bad case on Balla if they were both mafia. | ||
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On February 22 2014 22:18 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: Rayn if you could read my filter and realize there's no way I can be scum that'd be dandy. I don't like getting mislynched even if we're near guaranteed to win. It doesn't really matter what i think. 1) noone will listen either way 2) we win anyways | ||
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On February 22 2014 22:18 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: Balla has admitted multiple times that he has trouble creating content as scum. It is a tell for him. Well then you maybe should have said so instead of pulling 3 filters and say "see the length". | ||
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On February 22 2014 22:37 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: You still haven't told me if you think Kush not reading the thread is town or scum since you made a big deal about it earlier. Both. I don't know what to make of it. The one thing i pointed out seemed scummy to me. | ||
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On February 22 2014 23:19 VIVAX420 wrote: i understand why you think im scum, rayn, but you have to understand, I have no idea what's going on. Well i suggest you figure out what's going on instead of saying you have scumslipped.. | ||
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On February 22 2014 23:22 VIVAX420 wrote: yea but i have until d2 as long as im not viged Better start on N1, there is most likely going to be -1 townie which is gonna be marv/Palmar and i think both of them think you are likely to be mafia so they could use your help before they die. | ||
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On February 22 2014 23:22 prplhz wrote: are you seriously still upset because i said your plan was rubbish? No i am not, that's not what i am talking about. I am talking about everything that happened after that. | ||
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Toad makes a case on Balla - February 21 2014 02:12 Balla says kush and smurf are his scumreads - February 21 2014 05:49 Balla makes a case on Toad - February 21 2014 14:49 Now, Balla's case on Toad is mainly because of the bad case on him. Why was that not a concern earlier? I need to check what happened between here (at least Balla voted for kush) and if this can be a bus. I really really don't like his defense on suki. It reads more like "i defend suki because Toad is flipping mafia and then i can call rayn scum" rather than "i think suki is town". Maybe he can still be mafia. | ||
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On February 22 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote: Tomorrow we lynch the smurf, he can only be scum. The only reason you'd ever want to smurf to play normally is if you're an extremely good player who has limited time and is thus is afraid of being misjudged based on less time than usual. Thus it's fair to assume the smurf is an extremely good player. Now smurf seems to have plenty of time, and he has done and said some incredibly dumb and bad things, so the only reasonable explanation is that he's scum. Tomorrow we lynch him. I don't think this hold water unless you can prove who the smurf is. I've seen plenty of non-top-tier players smurf for various reasons. | ||
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On February 22 2014 23:37 Palmar wrote: We should just lynch rayn before he wifoms us into lynching the host. Unfortunately you are probably right. I should probably stop thinking people know how to play and that scum are not dumb. | ||
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On February 23 2014 00:42 suki wrote: Obviously I'm looking at Kush being mafia, for having such a shitty read on Balla. But his responses are coherent and make sense. Taking another look at Balla's filter some things really don't add up. Calling marv questionable is a really weird thing. His case on toad also bad. His case on you bad. Bussing Toad is definitely a plausible move for scum Balla. I guess I just liked the fact that he was hard defending me :| Kush looks more townie to me right now from this exchange. Balla looks worse. I do think Oats is town so scum suspect was kush and slam. Add Balla to the list now. Okay this post makes absolutely no sense to me... It's all over the place and has like three different conclusions inbetween. | ||
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On February 23 2014 01:17 suki wrote: rayn, why is Palmar town? Are you seriously entertaining the possibility of him being scum? | ||
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On February 23 2014 01:19 suki wrote: If Palmar can say smurf is scum for being bad, I can say that Palmar is scum because he's obviously a good player but his reasons for thinking I'm scum are bad, because I'm town. Well then you are scum because by defaut i should be scum too but you don't say so. | ||
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On February 23 2014 01:20 suki wrote: no because you always shit on me rayn. well that's not true. In NMM i never called you mafia. | ||
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On February 23 2014 01:23 suki wrote: I think mafia can do that. Palmar wasn't the one who started the wagon against toad after all. Is that the only reason he's town? Yes. I don't know what would be a better reason than "lynched mafia godfather on D1 and didn't push any other case". | ||
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On February 23 2014 01:26 suki wrote: So Palmar is town and he's just straight up wrong on me? maybe. or he is right. that's kinda wifom'y reasoning for him to be mafia. also your other reads are same like. | ||
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On February 23 2014 01:27 suki wrote: I mean mafia does crazy things all the time. Marv pulled shenanigans Day 1 and bussed sandroba and that lead them to victory because no one thought that scum would do that. It's entirely different thing to lynch your scumbuddy who will most likely get lynched anyways later on because they are incapable of playing mafia aligned then to lynch a godfather from the start and not even try to do anything about it all D1. | ||
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It's quite clear from this: I check him, he says: "If you are town"..... defensive, SO FKN DEFENSIVE. totally scum. 100% gg | ||
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##Vote: Balla24 You gotta do better than that and you know it. | ||
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On February 23 2014 11:15 Balla24 wrote: NO explain your fake check or claim or whatever now.. no. | ||
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On February 23 2014 11:20 Balla24 wrote: Explain why i need to do better than that, because as far as i'm concerned you haven't done ANYTHING to justify any of your actions that I am talking about in that case yet. no. | ||
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On February 23 2014 04:28 Balla24 wrote: On rayn: Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning. I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum. He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points: I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote: If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneet Everything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. Wrong, nothing else to say. This is shit. I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang Suki(1):rayn Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc". Wrong, this is also shit. I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for): Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence. On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not. On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory. Oh god, i see a trend. shit. Last thing: This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth. shitshithsit. Hey, that was your case. | ||
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On February 23 2014 11:37 Balla24 wrote: Tell me rayn if all that is so shit: - Justfiy your townread of kush, even if its different today I want to know why you thought kush was town yesterday. - Elaborate on how I am playing toward my scum meta, or at least how I was yesterday. - Explain to me why you decided NOT to push me for a lynch instead of toad if you thought toad was so townie. If it's shit then you should easily be able to explain all of this with EASE. no. | ||
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On February 23 2014 21:09 marvellosity wrote: rayn - you need to stop being so snippy and actually engage with Balla please. What you're doing isn't very helpful. No i don't, especailly when the case is "you did something i don't understand and that's why you are mafia". Well no shit, what am i supposed to say? "no you do understand"? | ||
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On February 23 2014 04:28 Balla24 wrote: On rayn: Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning. I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum. He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points: I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote: If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneet Everything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang Suki(1):rayn Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc". I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for): Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence. On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not. On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory. Last thing: This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth. 1) I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. : Well then you don't believe it, wtf am i supposed to say? Yes i did believe suki is mafia, yes i did believe you are mafia. I explained why i thought so. 2) I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for) completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. I explained my townread on kush. It was because i didn't think he would say he would quit mafia if Toad is town in case Toad was actually town which i also did believe. You don't buy it? Well shit, then there is nothing i can say. 3) He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. Yes you are, i explained how. Only after i did so you started doing things like you do as town - not defending me for no reason, posting more, etc. And no i wouldn't. I would not because when marv is pushing a lynch there is nothing you can do about it. Also i did not give a shit. So, i have actually explained everything you ask me to explain. If you don't think my explanations are good enough that's another thing and there is nothing i can do about it. So how about you cut the fucking bullshit and stop the "you need to explain this and that"? | ||
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You brought up shit like "i can see the reasoning behind her reads, you are bad because you can't". Well the reasons were not what you thought, and they were bad. So you had no intention to figure out her actual reasoning, you just said right things. Things you can't possibly know they are right if you are town. So you are either mafia or playing really bad because you assume things you should not assume in the first place. You are not trying to figure out things, you just assume something and say stuff based on that. And it makes sense from mafia pov if you switch the word "assume" with "know". | ||
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On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. Then i quoted a post from NMM as Toad asked me to elaborate more. After that you started posting. | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:29 Balla24 wrote: Look dude, what do you want me to do? You dropped a vote on marv completely unexplained, I tried to understand what you were doing and I posted it in the thread, I wasn't defending you whatsoever. I thought I saw what you were doing and it turned out it wasnt that at all, so when you start going ham off of it then it shoots off red bells for me because I didn't expect you to do that whatsoever. Well i thought suki was mafia. marv thought suki was mafia. i know how marv operates and he seemed to be operating like he does as scum, having someone as a scumread and not talking with them. Hell he even said later on that's what he does as town (if he finds someone scummy he questions them more to find out if they are actyually scum or not). marv to me didn't seem like he was interested in questioning suki about her scummy stuff, but instead said "well i'll go see if i find something townie". .That's what i saw. Now why do i need to make all these posts again because i have explained all this? | ||
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rayn: "suki is mafia because of xyz" marv: "yeah, suki might be mafia" marv: "hmm i gotta go read the balla/suki exchange at the start of the game (which i maybe did not pay much/enough attention) earlier" marv: "when i think someone is scummy i question them a lot about their posts" - (this is what i already knew) didn't look like town!marv to me. | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:46 marvellosity wrote: but rayn, it is literally 100% impossible for me to post that much as mafia. Don't ever make that mistake again, I'll be annoyed. This one was your mulligan. Well tbh about half of your posts in the first 14 pages of your filter are crap. | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:49 Balla24 wrote: Totally understood, now understand my PoV: What you see about marv to me, is very very little and is pretty circumstantial. It might be on purpose it might not be, I can't tell. So when you go ham about it and disregard everything you said about toad before because you think marv is mafia and marv is trying to get toad lynched. It doesn't make sense to me, maybe it's because we have a different approach to the game or something but I wouldn't do that at all. Toad looks scummy, marv has something that could be scummy as well, I would point it out and question marv about it then try to decide which of marv or toad looks scummier instead of flipping my reads like that off of something so small. Does this make sense? Yes i am not arguing you are not making sense from any point of view. I am arguing that i can't argue about this because there is nothing to argue about. I am also arguing that i find it weird that you question me about things i have already explained, and that is your case. You can't make a case based on "this doesn't make sense to me" if i have explained my reasoning behind those things. You should make a case "this is what he did, this is why, and this is why it does not make sense from town pov". That's why the case is bad and that's why there is nothing to argue about. | ||
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On February 25 2014 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am really worried about the fact that marv dies tonight and one of Oats/Slam is town and people will never lynch prplhz. EBWOP: I don't think it's a fact one of Oats/Slam is town, to clarify. | ||
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On February 25 2014 06:21 Balla24 wrote: Yep, the fact is even if he was suspicious to some people. He was not high on ANYBODIES list except palmar lol... so it's a decent kill out of that pool that i'm talking about. Yeah but Palmar tunnels and smurf's posting style makes Palmar tunnel him. Did noone notice this on D1? | ||
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On February 25 2014 06:31 marvellosity wrote: he's an extremely strong townie and he had just pushed a godfather lynch with me. this. | ||
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On February 25 2014 06:40 Balla24 wrote: Sure. I don't see any experienced player reasonably deciding to hit the smurf over you or palmar. So why was there a case and a vote on me by you? | ||
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On February 25 2014 10:33 Palmar wrote: kush you prplhz or balla I do oats or rayn Both of you target into the pool of me/Balla/prplhz/Oats. One of you is going to die, so don't give mafia any clues on who you are targeting. For example, if i am mafia, scum knows kush is gonna get a 50% check on me, if i am framer, i am obviously gonna frame Balla, etc. It does not matter if you target the same person because only one of you is alive at the start of D3. | ||
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On February 25 2014 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: slam. Oh yeah he never really talks about slam at all other than, so he's attacking slam right? Then he defends him obliquely. On February 23 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is Slam mafia? And never follows up on this. Odd? yes. lol i asked suki why she thinks why Slam is mafia because he called ~5 people mafia when someone brought them up. That does not make me think Slam is town. It also does not matter i didn't follow it up with because i got an answer that was reasonable. | ||
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On February 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: In my opinion prplhz is really good in evaluating which cases are good and which cases are not good. That's his strength as town. I don't see that here, at least yet. | ||
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On February 26 2014 03:42 Balla24 wrote: the last scum is within rayn/oats they are trying way too hard Don't be dumb Balla. | ||
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In case you die and i am not confirmed town marv will go lazy and Koshi wants to lynch me. That way we can lose. In case there is a no-kill you can lynch me. No probs. Then you just vig Oats - lynch prplhz and Balla, gg! If i am confirmed town we will solve this with marv. Oats needs to do something that's not his tunnely "town meta". Then we can figure out which one of prplhz - Oats is mafia with marv and marv will actually listen to me. | ||
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On February 26 2014 08:39 marvellosity wrote: i think kush copping and palmar roleblocking was pretty correct, the 1vs2 ability thing still stands nope. kush could win if he was mafia by guessing correctly a miller. if they both roleblock there is no chance of any scum winning if Koshi is town. | ||
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On February 26 2014 08:40 marvellosity wrote: no he couldn't rayn, because kush would have to roleblock the night after. ??? no he can confirm someone. | ||
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mafia kills. palmar dies. 6-1, kush claims guilty let's say on me, we lynch me, i flip miller. 5-1, kush "roleblocks" let's say Balla, mafia kills you. 4-1, we lynch into prplhz/Oats - both town, kush kills Balla, we lynch the other one, kush wins 1-1 gg. | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:04 Balla24 wrote: 2 minute days pls only after kush is out of ban. until then cya. | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Last post of this game, you guys totally gonna make this go to lylo and lose. Well that means you think Koshi is mafia so no. | ||
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After lynch 5-1. me/Balla/Koshi/kush (4) unconfirmed. Assuming kush is town and the NK goes through: leaves us in 4-1 with 2 unconfirmed, can lynch both Assuming kush is town and the NK does not go through: leaves us in 5-1 with 4 unconfirmed, can lynch 2 and kush vigs one and confirms himself as town/mafia in the process. Assuming kush is scum: kush outs himself if there is no roleblock next night. So could the mafia please just concede, because nobody wil lever convince anyone to lynch marv and i am willing to admit defeat if he is mafia? I am town. | ||
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On February 25 2014 09:17 marvellosity wrote: We decide our top 2 scum candidates, kush rb one, Palmar track the other. This, i am too tired atm. Tomorrow i look into this a bit more because this is a bad plan. | ||
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Everyone with half a brain as mafia knows the game is lost if you (marv) are town. | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:50 Koshi wrote: But really. How did he guess trip JoaT. Pure luck? Well he didn't read suki was JoaT so it makes sense from his own words. | ||
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On February 28 2014 17:54 Koshi wrote: I think Kush can even roleblock marv. But Kush just fucking ROLEBLOCK THE LAST SCUMMER IF THE LAST SCUMMER CAN'T DO A NK WE WIN IN 24H. JUST FUCKING PLAY THE GAME AND RB LAST SCUMMER. IF YOU THINK THAT IS ME. RB ME. no he can't. | ||
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This game is gonna be so lame if marv is scum. | ||
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I am also gonna post my townie seal. ![[image loading]](http://i59.tinypic.com/2mr5qc0.png) just because i can | ||
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On March 01 2014 08:54 Koshi wrote: not as shiny as coag townie seal. Yes but it's not fake. Sidesprang tried to fake a townie seal but it was not a seal so it was fake. This is a seal so it is real. | ||
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On March 01 2014 08:57 Koshi wrote: Well. Posting seals as town should be bannable. Only if it's a babyseal and not a townie seal. | ||
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On February 22 2014 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow so some players are just fucking terrible. I thought people would be better than that. Anyways i am not needed here, scum are lurkers because noone opposed Toad lynch. Something like kush and sidesprang then. waiting for tha next game, you got this marv. | ||
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Is lynching kush the right move, that i don't know. | ||
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If mafia roleblocker rb's town rb who rb's mafia rb does not make affect mafia NK suddenly noone is confirmed and night kills make no sense for anyone other than prplhz to be scum. | ||
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On February 17 2014 18:53 Sylencia wrote: Role FAQ
This is how i interpret it. It doesn't matter because i asked the host to clarify it and when they do we know for real. If it does not negate mafia NK then noone is clear and prplhz is most likely mafia purely because i can't see anyone than him make those night killls. Why the fuck would you shoot marv who is not 100% confirmed instead of prplhz who is? | ||
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Who the fuck shoots Palmar over kush and reduces his chances of winning? prplhz who also roleblocks Palmar to ensure he does not do anything else like yolo-vig someone (which Palmar could do). | ||
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rayn does stuff he does not explain Balla: "I think i get what rayn is doing" (multiple times) rayn: "Balla looks like scum because he is defending me for no reason and that's what he does as scum" rayn does more stuff Balla: "rayn is scum because i don't understand what he is doing" fishy much?? | ||
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