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On February 20 2014 08:36 Balla24 wrote: What's the benefit of claiming green? I've seen it in a lot of old games and i've always been curious. it's because that while townies mostly ignore it, it turns out that there's like a 90% chance that the first guy who asks why someone else is claiming green is scum that's you it's called the kenpachi strategy and it's fool proof | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's called "take a fucking stance or vote for yourself".  Yea that's what I thought, you are actively trying not to take a stand. I don't know who you voted for before but he was not in any danger of getting lynched so there's no reason to change your vote at all, only reason is to say "hey everybody i'm harmless and i don't have an opinion on lynch". And I think this is scummy. ##Vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am taking no stance because there is no stance to take atm prplhz. If you are seriously saying you think someone is scum at this moment you are lying. Pressuring people is fine but what you are accusing me of is a straight out stretch. But who cares where your vote is at, why even bother to implement a plan that allows people to do nothing. No, I don't expect people to have big scum reads right now but that doesn't mean we need to implement a plan to virtually unvote in an unvote free voting system. It just serves absolutely no purpose. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: prplhz did you even read my posts? Yes. You are unhappy that you can't unvote so you propose that instead of unvoting people should just vote for themselves. I don't know why you think it's a problem that people can't unvote, if anything that's a plus for town. | ||
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I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this. I don't like that suki says in this post: On February 20 2014 09:46 suki wrote: I agree that finding a way to 'unvote' is stupid. I don't think it makes me lean scum or town on rayn either way. that the plan is stupid but neither scummy nor townie and then she says in this post On February 20 2014 11:00 suki wrote: Here's how I see it. Because you're forced to vote someone, you can't unvote and remain without an opinion (well, except with this stupid plan). This is pro-town. If someone voted Koshi and said, 'I don't think Koshi is scum anymore' but kept his vote on Koshi, then pressuring that person to take a stance on someone else IS pro-town because they can't just unvote and say 'I dont know I'm thinking'. It forces accountability, and mafia hate being accountable for their actions. This outweighs scum possibly misrepresenting someone because they didn't take off their vote. that the plan is anti-town, or something like that, she uses pro-town to describe a situation where the plan is not implemented. | ||
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On February 20 2014 11:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what was your reasoning for unvoting as town or as mafia? I guarantee as mafia it's most likely "because i would do that as town" as in "i try to look townie" because that's why you do things as mafia right? So we can exclude that part. What was your reasoning for unvote as town? top kek You don't think there was ever a scum who was like "Shit, I need to get my vote off of this guy because this vote is a little silly and it's attracting attention to me. I guess I'll try to do it in a townie way." The whole "scum act like town so we can never catch them"-idea is silly. Scum can't perfectly act like town and the more we force them to act the less they look like town (ideally). | ||
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On February 20 2014 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also this is why prplhz is mafia. It's an obvious contradiction that makes no sense. ##unvote ##Vote: prplhz There is no contradiction. First I say that the plan is bad and townies have no reason to push it or come up with it. Then I say that the way you pushed it seems atypical for scum. I am not even talking about the same thing in the two sentences. If it's conflicting because I first say that I have reason to believe you are scum and then I say I have reason to believe you are town then sure, I agree. That happens to everybody all the time though and anyway, it's not a contradiction. | ||
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On February 20 2014 12:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's a total contradiction. I guarantee you noone does that as town. He is mafia. What if someone does that at town? Also, what is "that"? Saying allegedly contradicting statements or this pair of statements specifically? | ||
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if you want to lynch someone for using hyperbole then you're a moron | ||
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is VIVAX420 kushmasta? | ||
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On February 20 2014 17:39 Palmar wrote: I don't agree with your logic prplhz. IF rayn is mafia he's not dumb enough to create an entire plan to simply get his vote off someone. If he is mafia the reason he did this is he thought the plan would be well-received in town and considered advantageous for town, thus giving him townie points for not really doing anything. that wasn't my point, rayn said that unvoting is a townie thing and whenever scum do it it's because they want to look townie, then i said that that didn't matter because they would still do it in a scummy way rayn thinks that unvoting is something townies do to make their stance clear and scum do it to emulate townies so it's a good thing if we implement an unvote plan because then townies can avoid having weird votes and we can't catch scums on it anyway because they're just acting like townies my point is that scum ideally will not be able to act like townies all the time and forcing them to have an opinion and not unvoting is going to make it more likely that they'll slip and more likely that we'll catch them i don't think that a scum rayn would create and push this plan for the benefit scum has from an unvote mechanism either. i just think the whole plan is more likely to come from a scum POV than a town POV. he is arguing for why it's a good idea for town (of course any scum would only push a plan if they think they can convince town it is good for them) but i think that's because of the conflicting "i am scum so i want to do something good for town but not actually" POV. | ||
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I also recall that kushmasta was loud and flaky and that's not what I'm seeing this game at all, so while he's been a little easier to play with I'm uncertain about him simply because of that. I don't like railroading Toadesstern this early. Koshi also looks bad to me. I don't really understand his posts. On February 20 2014 09:10 Koshi wrote: ##vote Koshi I am ok with rayn his idea. + Show Spoiler + I am not seeing anything around balla. First he's okay with raynpelikoneet's plan. On February 20 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote: rayn, do you see any suspicious people or are you too busy with the thing with the standard votes that I don't understand. Then he doesn't understand it? On February 20 2014 09:29 Koshi wrote: Let's play "Who is the Smurf" I think DarthPunk and marv knows it. I think scum are more likely to want to talk about who someone is instead of just playing. He also doesn't actually contribute to the whole discussion around raynpelikoneet, he's around posting one liners like: On February 20 2014 09:45 Koshi wrote: This game is above my paygrade atm. Sleep time. "This is some high level shit and that's why I'm not contributing" I don't think townies think that, they think "Everybody should know my opinion because it's the right one to have". Like, his filter is full of nothing and he doesn't seem to be trying to actually having an influence on the game. A lot of his trolling also seem weird and out of place. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:37 marvellosity wrote: Since when would you not simply follow Palmar prp? huh | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##vote: suki i thought it was A FACT that i was scum? | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:41 marvellosity wrote: Normally you love just to sheep what Palmar says/decides (in this case "lynch toad") whereas here you're against what he's proposing. It's unusual for you. i don't mind sheeping at all, but i also don't mind not sheeping. i've shept (?) palmar plenty of times but i have also disagreed with him. not entirely sure where you're getting this from but you're wrong. why do you want everybody on board the train to lynch-a-toad-ville and why don't you want to "bother" reading into koshi? it's like 12 hours into the day and you just want to lynch toad and can't be arsed to read a filter in the next 36 hours? | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote: gosh darnit, people be accusing other people of being mafia! It should be much neater and tidier, obvs. yea maybe it should. | ||
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##Vote VIVAX420 i don't like Koshi either "i did it for the lulz or mb i was srs?" is really not a good explanation for anything. can't let these people roam free. kush, step it up and blaze it 420 and then stop arguing with marv and do something instead | ||
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on the game and not on whether or not i want to plynch you or not the only thing i got out of you this game is that you're owning it up now but you don't have much opinion other than maybe marv is scum (but you're completely insane if you think we're lynching him today so that's not going anywhere and you know it) | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:54 VIVAX420 wrote: LOL every game i have to suspect marv. i call him scum. he calls me dumb. it's like our thing. prplhz, i am tring to analyze the reason behind your votes. that is how you play the gmae. Don't refuse me that ingormation i don't care if you two have a thing going, it's not helping and that's what you need to do (help). this is a 40 page mini there's plenty of content from me as well, get to it and stop stalling for information. | ||
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On February 21 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Toad This wagon is terrible, I don't even know what idiot started it. what did kush do to make you think he is town | ||
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so we're really just railroading toad? | ||
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also suki made a giant case on balla seems unlikely for scum to do that on d1 when they could just not do that so i'm not really convinced by palmar moving his vote from kush to toad | ||
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On February 21 2014 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Whats wrong with that prp? generally scum does vote with their scumreads who they know are town so therefore get cred but Palmar isnt doing that. wat | ||
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and the two people who made him switch don't look at all like they are scum together it's a lot of weird associative reads on d1 | ||
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On February 21 2014 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote: why would Palmar do that as scum. what do i know maybe he doesn't want to push a guy to a lynch who is town or maybe he likes a toad lynch better or whatever make something up don't you think it's weird that palmar is making bad associative reads? | ||
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it's a problem that you don't think it requires an explanation | ||
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pretty sure we're not having it any other way today so lets just see a flip | ||
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he seems like he's in a very jolly mood and i think that points at town. i think he likes town more than scum. also this toad lynch is more yours than his | ||
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On February 21 2014 23:11 marvellosity wrote: yes I said "his" because you were attacking Palmar and Palmar is championing toad, not because Palmar specifically started the lynch. it wasn't really an attack, it was just a "bah i don't like railroading anyone, not even toad, lets see if something odd is happening that i can prod at" and then palmar did something odd and i pointed it out. maybe he is championing it but i really still consider it your lynch because he's using your arguments. i guess in reality it the arguments' lynch but they're your arguments so it's kind of your lynch. doesn't matter all that much whose lynch it is though i guess. what do you think about oats? is he another "leave him be and we'll figure him out"? | ||
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On February 22 2014 00:03 suki wrote: I don't like oats. Oats sees me as scum. Rayn is voting marv and trying to make an association case of me and marv. Why is what rayn says about marv 'almost certainly going to be wrong'? This made sense to me at first because I'm like, 'I'm town, rayn's town pushing scum marv/suki so probably wrong', but if Oats sees me as scum how is rayn's push almost certainly wrong? Why is he saying lets lynch Palmar gogogo after prplhz me and Balla bring up that Palmar's been odd, and then a few posts later completely defending Palmar. There's no cohesion in his thoughts. the lynch palmar gogogoo was ironic | ||
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On February 22 2014 09:13 Palmar wrote: also everyone who voted kush randomly in the middle of the day is really scummy dats u | ||
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are you scum? [ ] yes [ ] no please check one | ||
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forgot to add PS NO LYING now this is completely useless | ||
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On February 22 2014 10:02 Alakaslam wrote: 70+ pages hijole Folks I will be far more productive if folks just catch me up by talking as if you are the only person who remembers wtf happened earlier and I work off the current stuff. That way I will catch up by osmosis and still bring a fresh read to the table (though it will be a crap read... But I will work on my play) What page is the phase post on and what phase is it now? If no one is online to reply in 10 I will just go look, my connection is faster than that... n1 just happened an hour ago, toad died and was scum | ||
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On February 22 2014 11:08 Alakaslam wrote: lol In your filter oats, this wtf within 15 minutes too. Oh wait Maybe if you had quoted what others were saying I would be able to tell what you were talking about This would probably be the case even if I wasn't a replace, but it glares as it is. last post was ironic or sarcastic? what did we agree on? | ||
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also toad pointed out that rayn's plan was odd before i did | ||
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On February 22 2014 22:16 marvellosity wrote: your point about rayn wanting to avoid taking a stand was exceptionally weak and i voted toad for +1ing it. also toad pointed it out On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote: Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that. before i did On February 20 2014 09:13 prplhz wrote: Yea that's what I thought, you are actively trying not to take a stand. I don't know who you voted for before but he was not in any danger of getting lynched so there's no reason to change your vote at all, only reason is to say "hey everybody i'm harmless and i don't have an opinion on lynch". And I think this is scummy. ##Vote raynpelikoneet so if anything i was +1ing him | ||
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On February 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: In my opinion prplhz is really good in evaluating which cases are good and which cases are not good. That's his strength as town. I don't see that here, at least yet. are you seriously still upset because i said your plan was rubbish? | ||
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also marv might bus sandro because sandro will sometimes literally afk out of scum games while he will not hard bus toad unless he has very good reason for it and he didn't this game | ||
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not as in, i think she is town but not because of the effort she is putting into the game | ||
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i guess we can talk until hosts say we can't but then again i have nothing to say | ||
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On February 23 2014 09:13 Palmar wrote: did he say he was? no apparently that was balla but he never actually claimed or anything and the whole thing looked really stupid | ||
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also i'd never ever claim a check before i was absolutely sure that the deadline was reached and since there wasn't a host post in the thread i'd probably hold it until i was absolutely sure i would get my check off and not get killed or something, especially with godfather dead. | ||
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On February 23 2014 09:43 marvellosity wrote: if anyone wonders why I think Balla could be mafia, think Slam+suki+Palmar's signature you know that palmar was town in that game right | ||
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On February 24 2014 22:32 marvellosity wrote: btw 3 JOATs is really plausible because that's a max 6 power usage, when 2 regular blue roles could have up to 8 power usages in total. max 6? | ||
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On February 24 2014 22:33 marvellosity wrote: JOAT have 2 powers to use once each. 3x2 oh no, they have 3 powers but they can only use 2 | ||
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On February 24 2014 22:36 marvellosity wrote: yeah that's what i meant. 2 total power uses each. just not what i got from your post and i had missed the "can only use 2" part | ||
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blue makes people all giddy and i imagine kush would be even more "i'm gonna show these assholes that i'm the best in the world" than he usually is but he just went and did nothing | ||
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On February 24 2014 22:41 Koshi wrote: kush proly has doc. dat Palmar shot on suko was so bad. Bad Palmar. Bad! QFT | ||
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On February 24 2014 23:22 Koshi wrote: Sorry. I am already looking after the next lynch. You are up there now. rayn as well as he tends to be scum in insane mini set-ups. (##, resistance, vengeful) I refuse to believe Balla is scum. ? | ||
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On February 26 2014 02:14 Balla24 wrote: Mafia plz.... I just want postgame so i can poop on ppl for scumreading me tell me about it | ||
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On February 26 2014 02:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Its only koshi prp, not like everyone. ? | ||
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so oats or what? | ||
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On February 26 2014 05:39 Balla24 wrote: honestly i dont think anybody cares that much you mean, the game is won anyway as long as scum isn't within marv/palm/kush/kosh so it doesn't matter? | ||
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my d1 activity was fine. d2 i dropped off because it was obvious we were going to follow marv and i was happy with that as long as it was a sensible lynch (and it was) and we didn't need much more content, 80 pages by d2 in a mini is good enough. now we have a blue plan. i think oats is scum if not then i think it's kush or balla or kosh, in that order (i can't convince myself that 3 joat for gf + rb is balanced, inb4 it is a scumtell that i think town is overpowered) but i really think it's oats | ||
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it isn't me i am getting roleblocked so i have absolutely no reason to lie about this either there is a night kill and i'm exonerated or there isn't and i'm dead so just trust me on this one okay? | ||
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On February 28 2014 07:44 Balla24 wrote: because you will be on the same level as whoever gets RB'ed tomorrow in terms of confirmed towniness.. so if you are the best player out of the 2 confirmed townies you will die. Exactly. | ||
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On February 28 2014 07:51 kushm4sta wrote: that im a cop you idiot game would have been perfect to sitout of maybe stop pushing it all the fucking time and you wont get banned? | ||
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why can't balla be scum? | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: well good thing is scum can't literally win this game now. maybe they'll figuratively win then | ||
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On March 01 2014 10:01 Koshi wrote: I was pushing Kush lynch d2 while you were all on Balla. True story. i pushed him d1 protohipstering it up | ||
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if i were scum don't you think i would have just followed the god damn plan which gave me ultimate authority over who would die in lylo | ||
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so kush is 100% scum because he is lying ##Vote kushm4sta | ||
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PFFFFT WHAT A NOOB | ||
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town has this game, it's you or balla or one or both of you is intentionally lying about their roleblock even though you are town and if that's the case, there will be lots of frowning post game | ||
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On March 02 2014 10:55 kushm4sta wrote: i got roleblocked so i dont think my roleblock on balla went through what i am getting from this is that you didn't read OP and you're not reading the thread | ||
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