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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:26 GMT
#441
Palmar why do you think kush is town?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 20 2014 12:27 GMT
#442
I know that and I've even talked about that with my stuff on Toad. At least prplhz was being proactive with his gash. Toad was +1ing prplhz's gash while not really +1ing it because it wasn't serious except it was serious. I don't think how prplhz talked about it all seemed forced.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 20 2014 12:27 GMT
#443
probably "seemed forced at all" at the end there instead of what I wrote
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:29 GMT
#444
marv can you explain this:
Toad is passingly familiar enough with rayn to know that's not how rayn operates.

Because this is totally not true. I don't know where did you get this?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 20 2014 12:31 GMT
#445
Dunno. Seems like it should be true. Toad's been around lately and you've been around.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 20 2014 12:32 GMT
#446
At the very least you were both in LXIV (I) for a little while
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:32 GMT
#447
From prplhz/suki/Toad Toad looks the most townie to me. I actually get his vote and the reasoning and what he says (even the point marv voted him for) from townie perspective. The only post that looks really bad to me is this one:
On February 20 2014 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar the problem is not that if you make it clear or not. It's if other people think you are being clear or not which is not always so easily said. You know how this shit works, scum misrepresent everything people do because that's how you lynch townies. Why not reduce the possible amount of misrepresentations by an easy policy that does no harm in any case?

there's plenty of people throwing around votes in every single game, for fun, for policy, for random reasons or whatever else.
So if it's not a problem in any other game, why do you think it's going to be a problem in this one to the point that you think we should make a "no voting someone else unless you're super certain" policy?
Do you actually think it's something that should be policy in every game?

Because this is totally not what i said and it proves Toad is not really even reading my posts or trying to understand me.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 20 2014 12:33 GMT
#448
prplhz is just blatantly townier than toad really
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:35 GMT
#449
On February 20 2014 21:31 marvellosity wrote:
Dunno. Seems like it should be true. Toad's been around lately and you've been around.

I don't think i had a single conversation with Toad in that game and the SMB game proves he definitely does not get how i operate and actually demonstrates the same thing i see here, he is not reading my posts properly. Which apparently is not scummy for him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:37 GMT
#450
btw if sidesprang does not do stuff we lynch him on D1. I am sick of this shit where people don't play.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 20 2014 12:38 GMT
#451
So you've been in two games with Toad then?

"passingly familiar" hardly is false then is it? :>
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:39 GMT
#452
Well the "he knows how rayn operates" is totally false.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 20 2014 12:43 GMT
#453
nuh uh, I used a negative. Knowing how someone doesn't operate isn't the same as knowing how they operate

<3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:43 GMT
#454
Like this is exactly what happened in SMB game in chronological order:
- I have Oats as my #1 scumread, Toad as #2.
- Toad does something i think is scummy.
- I vote for Toad.
- Toad says "why don't you vote for Oats who is your top scumread"
- I tell him "because you did this that made me reconsider who is the scummiest and i think it's you"
- "No you are mafia because you are not voting for your top scumread"
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:45 GMT
#455
So yes, i can totally see town!Toad say what he did..
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 20 2014 12:46 GMT
#456
those things are totally unrelated to what he did this game... ?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:48 GMT
#457
On February 20 2014 21:46 marvellosity wrote:
those things are totally unrelated to what he did this game... ?

Well doesn't what he says make sense? I mean his explanation after you pointed out this:

1) "I'm not going after him seriously"
and
2) "but I need to hear from him about this"

1) is backing out of it and yet you're pushing it with 2)
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:49 GMT
#458
That's more like "at first i was not voting him seriously but now i want to hear more from him because of this stuff prplhz said" no?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 20 2014 12:55 GMT
#459
On February 20 2014 17:39 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 11:44 prplhz wrote:
On February 20 2014 11:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So what was your reasoning for unvoting as town or as mafia? I guarantee as mafia it's most likely "because i would do that as town" as in "i try to look townie" because that's why you do things as mafia right?

So we can exclude that part. What was your reasoning for unvote as town?

top kek

You don't think there was ever a scum who was like "Shit, I need to get my vote off of this guy because this vote is a little silly and it's attracting attention to me. I guess I'll try to do it in a townie way."

The whole "scum act like town so we can never catch them"-idea is silly. Scum can't perfectly act like town and the more we force them to act the less they look like town (ideally).


I don't agree with your logic prplhz. IF rayn is mafia he's not dumb enough to create an entire plan to simply get his vote off someone. If he is mafia the reason he did this is he thought the plan would be well-received in town and considered advantageous for town, thus giving him townie points for not really doing anything.

that wasn't my point, rayn said that unvoting is a townie thing and whenever scum do it it's because they want to look townie, then i said that that didn't matter because they would still do it in a scummy way

rayn thinks that unvoting is something townies do to make their stance clear and scum do it to emulate townies so it's a good thing if we implement an unvote plan because then townies can avoid having weird votes and we can't catch scums on it anyway because they're just acting like townies

my point is that scum ideally will not be able to act like townies all the time and forcing them to have an opinion and not unvoting is going to make it more likely that they'll slip and more likely that we'll catch them

i don't think that a scum rayn would create and push this plan for the benefit scum has from an unvote mechanism either. i just think the whole plan is more likely to come from a scum POV than a town POV. he is arguing for why it's a good idea for town (of course any scum would only push a plan if they think they can convince town it is good for them) but i think that's because of the conflicting "i am scum so i want to do something good for town but not actually" POV.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 20 2014 12:56 GMT
#460
On February 20 2014 21:55 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 17:39 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 11:44 prplhz wrote:
On February 20 2014 11:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So what was your reasoning for unvoting as town or as mafia? I guarantee as mafia it's most likely "because i would do that as town" as in "i try to look townie" because that's why you do things as mafia right?

So we can exclude that part. What was your reasoning for unvote as town?

top kek

You don't think there was ever a scum who was like "Shit, I need to get my vote off of this guy because this vote is a little silly and it's attracting attention to me. I guess I'll try to do it in a townie way."

The whole "scum act like town so we can never catch them"-idea is silly. Scum can't perfectly act like town and the more we force them to act the less they look like town (ideally).


I don't agree with your logic prplhz. IF rayn is mafia he's not dumb enough to create an entire plan to simply get his vote off someone. If he is mafia the reason he did this is he thought the plan would be well-received in town and considered advantageous for town, thus giving him townie points for not really doing anything.

that wasn't my point, rayn said that unvoting is a townie thing and whenever scum do it it's because they want to look townie, then i said that that didn't matter because they would still do it in a scummy way

rayn thinks that unvoting is something townies do to make their stance clear and scum do it to emulate townies so it's a good thing if we implement an unvote plan because then townies can avoid having weird votes and we can't catch scums on it anyway because they're just acting like townies

my point is that scum ideally will not be able to act like townies all the time and forcing them to have an opinion and not unvoting is going to make it more likely that they'll slip and more likely that we'll catch them

i don't think that a scum rayn would create and push this plan for the benefit scum has from an unvote mechanism either. i just think the whole plan is more likely to come from a scum POV than a town POV. he is arguing for why it's a good idea for town (of course any scum would only push a plan if they think they can convince town it is good for them) but i think that's because of the conflicting "i am scum so i want to do something good for town but not actually" POV.

But you know, unvoting IS having an opinion.
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