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On February 09 2014 04:11 suki wrote: Aqua was like 'Jay has been contributing' and when I called him out and asked him what Jay's contributions were Aqua just kinda shrugged it off. Look, the thing with analysing Jay's contributions to this game is that you have to forget about the question "Is this a good contribution?" and ask the question "Is this a contribution he believes?". His case on Koshi at the start was, I agree, almost completely without merit in terms of persuading me to vote for Koshi. Indeed, it's so unconvincing that I do have serious doubts about his alignment. Same for his reasons for voting Alakaslam. But the fact remains that he did vote for people, and made an argument why other people should vote for them too. And that's a contribution. The real question I'm asking myself here is "Is it possible Jay is a townie who in fact believes the cases he's made and is honestly trying to push lynches on who he believes is scum?". To which my answer is "maybe". And I'm a fair bit more confident than "maybe" about Jonny. | ||
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On February 09 2014 06:23 suki wrote: Jay's vote is on me right now. How do you explain that. He got mad at you, voted you, then AFKd. | ||
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On February 09 2014 06:32 Koshi wrote: guis? the guy who has been calling me 47 hours scum jsut told me I am going to be sad when he is lynched. On February 09 2014 06:32 Koshi wrote: Because he is "town" ... ... huh. | ||
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e.g. "Huh, would you look at that." | ||
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On February 09 2014 06:27 suki wrote: The answer is no. He said Koshi was scum, refused to provide a read. Then later came back and said Koshi is null. He voted slam as basically a policy lynch. He voted me as an OMGUS. He's not pushing lynches and getting reads from him is like pulling teeth. He gave his reason for his read on Koshi. I reckon it was a bad reason and probably the only reason he believes it (if he does) is that Koshi had just voted for him. And I don't see how changing his mind later about that is scummy. As for his Alakaslam vote... I can think of a couple words to describe this reason for voting Alak, but I don't see how you can describe it as policy specifically. Can you explain this to me? On February 08 2014 11:19 jaybrundage wrote: I don't like this post. Alakaslam looks like he is thinking about calling me out as scum. But the way he does it is all wrong. I made this post and I said how I wouldn't give as much advice and just policy lynch lurkers. So he takes it to the extreme. This is the only post I believe from memory that I said anything about policy lynching lurkers. And out of my entire filter he picks it out and starts talking about how if i'm advocating policy lynches then I should be following thru or my motives are questioned (that I would be scummy.) But this isn't how a townie should be thinking. A townie should be going after there scum reads and then if that doesn't pan out go for a scummy lurker or lurker lynch. I had made a case on Koshi and a push on him. If anything Alakaslam would be reading the thread and seeing if I was pushing my scum suspect and scum hunting. However he acts like the one post I mention about policy lynching lurkers means that's solely what I should be doing. ##Unvote ##Vote Alakaslam As for his vote on you, I can see how you might well have pissed him off. Which is again not a great reason to vote someone, but it happens. | ||
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On February 09 2014 06:54 suki wrote: What? he's not saying you're confirmed town, he's saying you're going to be sad when he flips green. How is this a slip at all? The question is "why would Koshi be sad when Jonny flips town, if Koshi is scum like Jonny has been claiming?" | ||
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anyone want to have a chat? | ||
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On February 09 2014 12:31 jaybrundage wrote: Aquanim. I would like to talk mmmate. What do you think of Suki? Do you have any opinion on if we should try to get the vig to shoot someone via vote or something similar. What do you think of Coag wanting Vig to shoot him. oh hey I wandered off to play dota, sorry On Suki: Trolly and more importantly content-free start to the game set off serious alarm bells for me at the time. I'm not yet sure how much weight to give that phase of the game as opposed to her greater amount of content later. Hopeless said it very well here: On February 09 2014 07:28 Hopeless1der wrote: I agree that suki hasnt been playing scummy but I still have this nagging feeling about her. I'll try to look into why later tonight. Suki's been contributing her thoughts to the thread and trying to push a lynch but... something feels a little weird. I should have a better thought-out opinion on Suki later. -----//----- If we have a vigilante, they can do what they please. I have better things to do than direct blue roles. -----//----- Coag wanting a vigilante to shoot him is... bizarre, I'm not sure what to make of that. That slot wouldn't be a bad vigilante shot (alak and Coag aren't the most readable of players, and replacement slots are annoying at best), but calling for a shot on himself is some weird shit. tl;dr I have no idea. Do you have any theories about Coag asking for a shot on himself? Town/scum motivations for it? | ||
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On Suki: + Show Spoiler + Points for town:
Points for scum:
Well, to be honest, those lists didn't help me much. Anyway... I don't feel like the blue-claim argument is a slam-dunk on Suki. In Newbie XXXI I remember pushing a lynch on Oatsmaster, and continuing to push it after he straight-up claimed doctor because I didn't believe him. I was mislynched there, for that among other reasons. Back to the point - I think it's a valid point against Suki but not conclusive. Conclusion: Still not entirely convinced either way, though I have a nagging feeling that she's town. I certainly want to see lynches other than Suki at least considered tomorrow. On Alakaslam/Coagulation: + Show Spoiler + Points for town: Points for scum:
I would look for any more scum in Oatsmaster, Sidesprang and Hopeless, probably in that order. Maybe LoneMeow too, but I got some reasonable town-feels from him. Everybody else I'm fairly confident is town. If JayB's blueclaim falls through maybe re-examine him. | ||
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Conclusion: It wouldn't suprise me if this slot flipped scum, though I am quite aware I can't read Coag to save my life and I'm hardly much better at reading Alak. | ||
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On February 10 2014 06:54 Hopeless1der wrote: ... B) oats/me/coag must be scum because our reasons for voting jonny were shit and uninspired. I'll eat my hat sir. Are you saying here that you think this is not true applied to you specifically? Or are you eating your hat on behalf of Oats and Coag too? | ||
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On February 10 2014 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: More likely them than me/oats/coag. Coag is full null so the hat eating does not count for him. Oats can be included though. Still confused. Are you saying you think Oats is town? Can you explain why? | ||
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On February 08 2014 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote: At a skim, he goes from JayB->JonnyLaw->me->Suki->sidesprang. Can't sit still, pursuing everything he sees for the most part. He completely glances over JonnyLaw and me, but volunteered reads/reasons for the other 3. I think he's town. On February 09 2014 02:52 Hopeless1der wrote: @Sprang its precisely how he did it that gives me a townread on Oats. I have no idea why this gives you a townread on Oats. I'd appreciate a fuller explanation. On February 09 2014 11:12 Hopeless1der wrote: When oats voted suki he found something about betraying a scum mindset. I has likes that a lot at the time. Oats voted for suki twice, I'm not sure to which time you're referring: On February 07 2014 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah oh shit Suki does nothing about the case JayB posted, she never comments on it at all, just says its too tryhard and therefore scummy. Oh thats bad. She literally says nothing on whether the case was good/bad or why and whether koshi is town/scum or why. Just shits on it because its early in the game? ##vote Suki This post is more-or-less accurate. In the hypothetical case where Oats is scum and Suki is town, I can easily see Oats jumping on this though. On February 07 2014 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote: what. I think you dont understand the meaning of 'objectively' scummy. You havent explained anything about his tryhardness making him scum or why his case was bad, or why his stuff is forced. Like half this shit is subjective. ##VOTE SUKI WAGON OF JUSTICE THIS post, however, is pretty shitty. Suki had in fact tried to explain why she saw JayB's tryhardness as scummy, and had briefly explained why the Koshi case was bad (not that it needed explaining, hence why I'm comfortable with it being brief). + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 13:51 suki wrote: Regarding people's concerns that I'm not scum hunting, I was just having fun at the beginning of the game. So, you can decide if I'm scum hunting or not going forward. I skimmed JayB's case and didn't like it. I don't see the point in meta reading someone off of their pre-game content, or meta reading them 2 hours into the game as the game is still getting started. What threw me off was that he put in a ton of effort trying to find every little thing he could in order to paint Koshi as scum. He basically became super sure that Koshi was scum off of a weak case. He had already stated that he was going to scum hunt and he was hunting so hard it just felt forced and contrived. In other words, I didn't care about the case that he made, or the fact that it was made early, I cared about what motivations he could have had when making that case. Does it make more sense for town to hard tunnel someone off a weak case and try to make them look scummy, or does it make more sense for scum? The fact that the case was made so early is just a bonus point against a town scum-hunting mindset. In my opinion, it's more scummy to take this line of action. Thus I voted Jay. On Koshi Koshi has talked the talk. He just needs to walk the walk. His attitude is different in this game than last. He's more confident and more 'willing' to be active and contribute. If he doesn't hold up his end of the deal then he's an easy lynch. Other than that he hasn't done anything so I am waiting for his contributions when he returns. Furthermore, making a subjective case is not a scumtell and I have no idea why Oats would think it is. tl;dr I am not in any way convinced of Oats' towniness by his reasons for voting Suki. | ||
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On February 10 2014 07:41 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll quote and reply to you when I get home balla. @aqua okay let's do it this way, we try to lynch oats and see what happens. Look, if you reckon Oats is town then convince me. I don't have some huge scumread on him at the moment, I just don't have any good reason to think he's town. | ||
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On February 10 2014 07:51 Hopeless1der wrote: If you don't want to lynch him then why bother defending him? Fair point. I haven't decided who I want to lynch today. If it ends up being Oats we'll revisit this. | ||
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