EPTCorazon
This guy! I always think he's mafia. In like every game I play with him. After the Titanic II fiasco I think I've read enough of his games and got a good enough grasp of his posting style to know when he is town or not.
Firstly, Cora's reactions as scum are "worries", "defences" and "tunnel", "omgus butthurt", when he is town he can display 2 responses. If he is getting focused on it will be "butthurt", "heavy defences" and "questioning suspicions" if he is not getting focused on it is "questioning suspicions", "making cases". So in order to differentiate between the two forms of play you have to determine two things:
1. Is he under pressure?
2. Are suspicions about players being questioned or is he just telling us his concerns/nothingness?
First and foremost here are some filters for you to peruse to get a feel of what I am talking about:
A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia - Scum
Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII - Scum
This Town Aint Big Enough Mafia - Town
A Bluelightz Mafia "The Attack" - Town
Titanic II - Town
Back to the Basics - Town
Now, with regards to this game, I have NEVER (in all his database games (and I did check them ALL)) seen cora start by calling himself vanilla town (there is one time where he states he's town for the bajillionth time in bluelightz though). So when I see someone post something like:
On February 08 2014 09:49 Corazon wrote:
Hey guys, I'm Vanilla Town. Just letting you all know so that when you doubt my alignment, I can reference this post. Thank you.
when they have never done that in the games that I have seen them play (and the majority are town games) then I think to myself, "what has changed in his mentality where he thinks he should post this?"Hey guys, I'm Vanilla Town. Just letting you all know so that when you doubt my alignment, I can reference this post. Thank you.
So, based on that I was red flagged to his playstyle and decided to look at him closer on my read through and lo and behold his posting style aligned more and more to a Corazon. It was initially pointed out by Yamato here:
+ Show Spoiler [+++Yamato] +
On February 08 2014 19:01 yamato77 wrote:
RE: Cora
Didn't care for this bit:
Shoots down Oats for Oats' dumb "who is scum?" question, then
Turns around and does the same stupid thing.
I, unlike you, give him no townie points for the Slam questions because it was a silly thing to ask anyway.
RE: Cora
Didn't care for this bit:
Shoots down Oats for Oats' dumb "who is scum?" question, then
Turns around and does the same stupid thing.
I, unlike you, give him no townie points for the Slam questions because it was a silly thing to ask anyway.
but this is quintessential scum play. He calls out someone for something that he is also guilty of.
Check this from a quiet game of mini mafia (check links above to see situation (it's right at the start) where he is scum:
On January 07 2014 11:22 Corazon wrote:
I'm worried about Iamp. He seems to be attacking everyone nonsenically. Reminds me of scum Xatalos in Titanic II.
He's just trying to throw shit on people and see what sticks.
I'm worried about Iamp. He seems to be attacking everyone nonsenically. Reminds me of scum Xatalos in Titanic II.
He's just trying to throw shit on people and see what sticks.
On January 07 2014 11:48 Corazon wrote:
@Iamp
It's nonsensical because you suggested right off the bat that you should lynch me. How is that sensical?
@Iamp
It's nonsensical because you suggested right off the bat that you should lynch me. How is that sensical?
he says he is "worried about things" and portrays his worries onto people even though he is randomly attacking people in that game too. Now, this wouldn't be alignment indicative if it wasn't for his major differences of approach between alignments.
Here is a post in a similar light from Back to the Basics:
On November 21 2013 00:44 Corazon wrote:
Alright I'm going to respond to the general criticism on me, the brunt of it being in Mocsta's case and then everyone else just rewording it.
First of all, most of Mocsta's filter analysis on me said that I had problems reading and that I was scummy. It's really shit casework from Mocsta because he's played multiple times with me and should know that I had a reading problem in general, whether I'm town or scum.
The rest of his case is his confirmation bias and calling sciberia my scummate. Lol.
I'm really surprised and disappointed that I got all the flak for the conversation between sciberia and I. In my opinion his actions were way more scummy and non-conclusive then mine and I believe that it is really hypocritical of everyone to attack me and simply ignore him.
On Aqua: I really agree with a lot of the points raised up against him. What troubles me the most is that he basically attacked Ream for sticking up for me and starting attacking Ream when it looked like my lynch wasn't going to go down. It felt like he was trying too hard to keep the lynch on me and that is what troubles me.
On others: I'm going to reread the thread but I already do not like the fact that sciberia and LoneMeow insist on keeping the conversation on me when the talk is about Aquanim. It's just making the town less focused and less able to discuss a good lynch candidate if they continue to ramble on about me. In my opinion, the first 24 hours should be allowed to free-flow and not have focused discussion (on one person) and the last 24 should be focus on the 2-3 wagons that pop up.
I'm going to reread Aqua and then reread the rest of the thread (pgs 10-13).
Alright I'm going to respond to the general criticism on me, the brunt of it being in Mocsta's case and then everyone else just rewording it.
First of all, most of Mocsta's filter analysis on me said that I had problems reading and that I was scummy. It's really shit casework from Mocsta because he's played multiple times with me and should know that I had a reading problem in general, whether I'm town or scum.
The rest of his case is his confirmation bias and calling sciberia my scummate. Lol.
I'm really surprised and disappointed that I got all the flak for the conversation between sciberia and I. In my opinion his actions were way more scummy and non-conclusive then mine and I believe that it is really hypocritical of everyone to attack me and simply ignore him.
On Aqua: I really agree with a lot of the points raised up against him. What troubles me the most is that he basically attacked Ream for sticking up for me and starting attacking Ream when it looked like my lynch wasn't going to go down. It felt like he was trying too hard to keep the lynch on me and that is what troubles me.
On others: I'm going to reread the thread but I already do not like the fact that sciberia and LoneMeow insist on keeping the conversation on me when the talk is about Aquanim. It's just making the town less focused and less able to discuss a good lynch candidate if they continue to ramble on about me. In my opinion, the first 24 hours should be allowed to free-flow and not have focused discussion (on one person) and the last 24 should be focus on the 2-3 wagons that pop up.
I'm going to reread Aqua and then reread the rest of the thread (pgs 10-13).
When cora is questioned or highlighted that he is scum (but is town), he reacts in games by defending himself heavily (read titanic, b2b, etc etc etc.) but ALSO throws in points about everyone else in the game while defending himself heavily so as to try and determine other people's alignments while defending.
However, when he is scum (in a quiet game) his posts get a lot shorter, randomly throw suspicion on a person (in quiet game it was yamato) and then states that he's doing scum hunting with what was available and showed it by attacking (yamato in that case).
This is EXACTLY what has happened in this game, he defends himself but doesn't try and determine anyone's alignments. He makes a bigger post that just says people are wrong and defends himself but doesn't point to anything further and then the rest of his posts are all short, accusatory posts at palmar while defending geript.
On February 09 2014 08:08 Corazon wrote:
I'm not going to say anything about Geript here but your statement is 100% wrong. Geript is like this in every situation.
I'm not going to say anything about Geript here but your statement is 100% wrong. Geript is like this in every situation.
How does cora know so vehemently that the rage was indeed not faked? To be 100% wrong is pretty confident and he seems so sure of an unflipped player that at the start he was questioning for not scum hunting that it seemed very odd to point this out at the time.
He continues his posts with no theme to scum hunting but instead random accusatory posts (like his scum games) on Palmar:
On February 09 2014 10:58 Corazon wrote:
We could always lynch Palmar for going after Geript, because attacking Geript is a pretty easy thing to do as scum.
We could always lynch Palmar for going after Geript, because attacking Geript is a pretty easy thing to do as scum.
He has no input in the rest of the game and when called out by grack on his palmar stance he replies:
On February 09 2014 11:49 Corazon wrote:
Not yet. I'll give Palmar some more time to do something useful.
Not yet. I'll give Palmar some more time to do something useful.
He continues the tunnel:
On February 10 2014 02:14 Corazon wrote:
To be honest, I just want to survive to D2 so I can do analysis on the D1 voting patterns and have better reads. I'm not going to get myself worked up to defend myself because you guys won't listen to me anyways.
##Vote: Palmar
Come on guys. Read the game.
To be honest, I just want to survive to D2 so I can do analysis on the D1 voting patterns and have better reads. I'm not going to get myself worked up to defend myself because you guys won't listen to me anyways.
##Vote: Palmar
Come on guys. Read the game.
After all the Palmar suspicion and telling us to vote for him he just... completely drops that entire read and tells us to read the game but then votes someone for doing the exact same thing he is doing???
On February 10 2014 02:22 Corazon wrote:
Jk this is more right than the Palmar lynch.
##unvote
##Vote: Koshi
Jk this is more right than the Palmar lynch.
##unvote
##Vote: Koshi
A lot of things happened in the game. Many things were said but the way he picks and chooses responses is increasingly odd and he seems so focused on Palmar (tunnel = +++scum) rather than anything else that I can only see this coming form a scum cora.
##Vote Corazon
Can answer questions briefly, only had time to write this much sorry babez xxxxxxx <3
