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On February 08 2014 11:25 VayneAuthority wrote: I'd say the mafia team would not bother chatting with eachother this early, if they have even showed up at all. Can probably put mutually exclusive brackets on geript(wave,yamato)
This is the post I liked btw. It's not necessarily true, but it's not a bad point.
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On February 10 2014 05:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 05:55 Palmar wrote: I worry about the Cora wagon. I pointed out some inconsistency in his play myself, but his random vote on me there before he switched is really head scratching if he's mafia. Now his is obviously not going to make much sense to anyone but myself, but given how he's been wanting to kill me and been casually calling me out all game, it seems like a strange vote as it This is how cora plays scum based on research (in the above post).
Yeah you bombed that case while I was writing.
I'll read it after I'm done with VA's filter.
In the meantime, do you in general agree or disagree with my current assessment of he game and the tiers of players I've suggested? I gave comments about most of the players in the game, and my feeling on them. If something sticks out to you please let me know.
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On February 10 2014 06:02 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 05:55 Palmar wrote: ok I'm back. My reading of the last few pages has been a bit sketchy, but whatever.
I don't think I want to lynch Kosher. Other people I don't want to lynch include WoS, Oats, myself, Risen etc.
I worry about the Cora wagon. I pointed out some inconsistency in his play myself, but his random vote on me there before he switched is really head scratching if he's mafia. Now his is obviously not going to make much sense to anyone but myself, but given how he's been wanting to kill me and been casually calling me out all game, it seems like a strange vote as it makes it more likely he'll flip AND if he flips mafia he's basically confirming me as town.
So knowing my own alignment, his move just doesn't make any sense if he's mafia.
I'd much rather lynch somewhere into geript, marv, VE, rayn, or even holyfare.
I'm unsure about yamato... I disagree. I think his vote on you would have been perfectly timed to get you lynched if more people had gotten on the hate train. It points to me that he isn't committed to his voting and is instead just trying to find some way to have thread presence. You also got ninja'd by a "solid" post from HF that really doesn't say much to me. It's a nice amount of effort, but it's all stuff that could be found and pointed out by someone looking to make a case on the person who's leading in votes at the moment. I would be down to lynch marv if I was feeling like a troll, but I'm not. I will say there has been very little in my mafia career that was more satisfying than fingering marv as total scum for no reason since I was getting lynched, and having him flip scum (after I flipped town and everyone just said omg Risen hydra'd with marv he must know something). God that was so long ago.
Bitch please, I got marv to ragequit by tunneling him. Get on my level.
I the bolded is a possible explanation, and if I can't get anything else going Cora is probably the wagon I'll support.
I still think we should lynch geript. He's just fucked off and done nothing since it became clear my case wasn't winning people over easily. Also I like all the resistance to his lynch, makes me think it's more likely he's scum.
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I finshed VA's filter. I don't see anything that makes him scum in it. Yes he's a troll and a bit boring, but I don't think it makes him scum. He's actually made some points I liked.
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Holyflare's case is actually pretty good.
Gonna read Cora's filter again. My main reservations is the amount of people on his wagon, the lack of resistance, and the strange vote on me, but all of those things are subjective, so maybe the correct play is to lynch him.
I'd at least be pretty happy with not having to play with him.
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On February 10 2014 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here. Yamato saying he'd lynch me is silly, he such a troll. Palmar too do you believe those guys? Clownin fo srs.
Dazzle me with your wisdom honey.
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On February 10 2014 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I know I'm not in here writing huge cases or whatever but I've been forthcoming with my thoughts when I'm around...not sure what the problem is, and at least Palmar has given literally no reason. Tomatos reasons so bad, I have to wonder if I'm missing something.
No reasons for what... being suspicious of you? or are you talking about the people I'm actually actively pushing?
I have no reason to be suspicious of you other than I don't think you look very townie.
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Btw Cora's filter was shorter than expected. This feels a bit off, but I'm just going to vote him anyway. Let's just assume mafia is not defending each other
##Unvote ##Vote: Corazon
Read my filter for the reasons, I had already pointed some stuff about him out. I also hated his early "get off the hook" post, and tbh, fuck him for wanting to kill me.
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On February 10 2014 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmer was that last bit about Cora necessary? Like okay if you agree with Holy case then fine but what did you hope to accomplish by attacking him personally?
He's refused to answer my questions, he's attacked me without providing any reasoning other than apparently geript should be immune to scrutiny or something. If he's town he's putting literally no effort into the game.
You know I don't like playing with people who don't try.
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yes Grack is my scumbuddy.
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You still haven't responded to my request for clarification Corazon
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On February 10 2014 07:32 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:32 Palmar wrote: You still haven't responded to my request for clarification Corazon I don't really care about responding to you Why are you surprised you're getting lynched when you're intentionally being a dick?
It's a really simple plea for clarification that could've helped.
Is this a new thing here? Everyone so busy trying to be badass that it gets in the way of playing the game?
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On February 10 2014 07:38 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is nothing to argue about Corazon. You have no real reads and you have not explained any of your reads. The strongest townread you have is apparently on Holyflare because he made a case on you which basically said the same things others havebeen saying. What? You have also not explained why you think Koshi is mafia. Da tunnelz. Ok I'm out. Later.
What the hell dude. You complain about people being tunneled in on you and refuse to respond to those that aren't.
I sincerely hope you're mafia so I don't have to think you're just a gigantic asshole.
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On February 10 2014 09:37 Holyflare wrote:Now this looks MORE suspicious. Click me!Palmar is there any reason you appear right at the deadline instead of before it just to insult cora?
He was guaranteed to get lynched. I don't think it's an insult really, I begged him to communicate with me but he refused repeatedly, then complains about people being tunneled in.
It's terrible way to play mafia.
What did you want me to do before the lynch? I tried, but this guy just decided to be an asshole instead of playing the game so I'm glad he's dead.
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On February 10 2014 09:46 Corazon wrote: gg gl town fuck you Palmar
you're an asshole.
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On February 10 2014 09:49 Holyflare wrote: Well click the click me part and respond to what I said please.
I think I sort of already answered it.
I liked the geript wagon better because he did more objectively scummy things. However I was literally the only person on it, so I felt like I needed to make a stance on the VA/Kosher/Corazon thing. If you read my filter around that time you should see pretty clearly my thought process.
I had all kinds of reservations. It's never really a scum lynch when it's this easy, but the guy hadn't exactly done anything to make himself look town. In fact all the reasons I could list for him to be town were subjective.
On February 10 2014 07:32 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:32 Palmar wrote: You still haven't responded to my request for clarification Corazon I don't really care about responding to you
And after this post I just didn't care. I can't play with people like this.
Intentionally trying to lose should be bannable.
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I'd lynch him again, knowing he's town.
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You display hesitance that all of your reads up to that point are head scratching from mafia cora but then you also use all of those reasons that you previously mentioned to then vote him? Which is is it? Is he mafia because of them or town because of them? Why even qualify your read with a "this feels off" and then vote him anyway?
And this is just you misunderstanding or misreading.
These are the posts I'm referring to when I said I brought up points against him earlier:
On February 09 2014 21:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 07:57 Corazon wrote: Yeah I really don't feel like defending myself. I'm just gonna wait for Yamato to reply to my message.
Btw, you guys should look into Palmar's vote of Geript. Wouldn't it make a lot of sense for scum to try and rile up Geript for no reason? Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 10:58 Corazon wrote:On February 09 2014 10:47 marvellosity wrote: Maybe if Palmar does non-geript or better-geript things and rayn tells me where to look, we can get a good lynch. We could always lynch Palmar for going after Geript, because attacking Geript is a pretty easy thing to do as scum. I really need clarification on this. I was not trying to rile geript up, I posted facts about what he had done in the game so far and voted for him. And apparently it's easy to attack him as scum. So by extension should geript be immune to scrutiny as it's too easy to attack him? I don't really know where you're going with this but all I can read from it is that you think that going after geript is a waste of time and shouldn't be done, in fact merely accusing him seems to be scummy. I'm amazed you allow yourself to think like this.
On February 09 2014 22:07 Palmar wrote: in addition @Corazon:
Is there any specific reason you wanted other people to look at me, instead of just doing it yourself and presenting your conclusion?
All of which he promptly ignored and refused to answer. And in addition he did call me scum quite early. These reasons all still hold up.
However my reservations were based on completely different things, mostly subjective stuff like how easy the wagon was rolling, how no one was defending him, how dumb his vote was (remember, his vote is much later than his accusations of me).
And I said "this feels off" because it felt off, I'm usually honest like that.
Doesn't mean I hesitate lynching people who're playing for the mafia, no matter them being possible town based on subjective stuff.
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On February 10 2014 09:58 Holyflare wrote: Do you think arguing with your scum read is useful? I'm pretty sure that's what he was trying to avoid with that post. So why would you just ignore him instead of thinking that could be a possibility?
I'm town, he should argue with me so I can convince him I am. Not doing so is trying to lose.
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