EPTIt's not like you have some kind of a brilliant fucking library to fall back on from the early days.
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It's not like you have some kind of a brilliant fucking library to fall back on from the early days. | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over. It's optimal play for you as both alignments to stay here and have a discussion with me. | ||
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Here's a little "spot the difference" exercise: www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690&user=yamato77 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&user=yamato77 | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote: It was optimal play for you to have this same discussion with me yesterday. You know, when you were tossing shit on me for trying to play the game. Remember? Fuck off Palmar. Maybe, but remember, despite what you claimed, I was unsure about the keirathi lynch. I felt it would be a complete waste of my time and energy to discuss things as we waited for Keir to get lynched, only to have the game end if I was town. Hence the "why are you guys even posting, the game's probably going to end tonight". I wasn't tossing shit at you, I was being gloomy and in a bad mood towards the game itself. Now I have another lynch to worry about, and this time I don't know who to lynch. I was hoping for some help. | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:39 VisceraEyes wrote: PALMAR YOU ARE LITERALLY TRYING TO KILL ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE INTERESTED IN WINNING THE GAME FOR TOWN. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOUE XPECT ME TO DO OR THINK?!!?? If the situations were flipped, ie: I knew you were town and could die leaving you all my reads, I'd happily do it. Now clearly you don't think as I do, so I guess there's that, but there's no reason to be mean about it. I'm trying to be nice to you dude? All game long! I told them to leave you alone when you called me out. On February 11 2014 04:49 Palmar wrote: In sake of fairness, it's actually quite uncharacteristic for me to accept a wagon I don't feel good about. generally I'm all like "I never vote townies, no compromises". so VE isn't wrong. And I gave you credit for it. On February 12 2014 07:54 Palmar wrote: Now I may be terrible at meta-ing myself, but I thought I explicitly stated my thought process was different from previous games, VE noted as much. I said I wanted you to love me. On February 12 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote: I said we had time! It's no big deal, and I don't want to alienate VE too much if he's town as he could be useful. And when they forgot you existed, I didn't. On February 14 2014 01:34 Palmar wrote: And VE just doesn't exist? I said you were good and valuable. On February 17 2014 18:03 Palmar wrote: I value VE's opinions when he's town. We're right back in lylo if anyone of us flips town, VE flipping town has nothing to do with our lylo situation and I didn't say it had. I want his reads so I can have trusted town-perspective reads from someone I think is quite good at mafia to hold my hand as I continue playing this game. And I said I appreciated you. On February 17 2014 23:30 Palmar wrote: I appreciate you trying to win the game VE, problem is it is directly against the VE style of play I know to do literally nothing for the first 2-3 cycles. So I can't convince myself to let you live over myself. All in all, you're a solid 8. (Hot stuff). On February 17 2014 23:42 Palmar wrote: I think there's a 60% chance you're town, I value your reads 8 (scale 1-10). And still I get all this hate  | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:43 Grackaroni wrote: And don't let his effort fool you. No matter how bleak the situation looks he will not stop posting until he's lynched. If HF is scum, you're town and VE is town, why is HF arguing with me about lynching VE? Why isn't he happily lynching VE with me. That would allow him to continue tunneling you tomorrow, without having to deal with "having been wrong" in his case on you. | ||
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And yes, if you're town, I sorta get why you're frustrated, and tbh I wouldn't mind if it was you who got nominated with reyn and marv on day 2, that would've been great, no pressure on me. And it's probably my fault, not yours, that I'm not confident/good enough to know the difference between your townplay and your scumplay. But I've often said, and you know I have, that I'm not that good at mafia beyond the first day or so. It's very difficult for me to go from thinking you're mafia to thinking you're town, based on you suddenly becoming supertown on like day 4. That's just far out of my comfort zone. You're playing well when I'm playing badly. But pls, don't take geript credit away from me. It was legit push. On February 09 2014 06:30 Palmar wrote: It actually kind of does. I've finished reading the thread. I think we should kill geript. I may be biased because I think he's a dick, but I also think he has a good chance of being scum. ##Vote: geript On February 09 2014 06:40 Palmar wrote: Well the last one is that he claims to have played strong enough towngame to be considered obvious town, decided to ignore Risen's inquiry about an explanation. I think it should be fairly obvious to himself he does not look like town to everyone in the game. There are several other things that stand out. He opened the game by going after two players unlikely to defend themselves at that point in the game. The Oats asked him about his intentios with the vote which is a perfectly reasonable question but that prompted geript to call the question stupid and countervote Oats, which is clearly not very productive. I mean maybe he's just decided to be a dick which would actually fit what I think of him in general, but it's not helping us win the game and if he continues to play like this I'd frankly simply be ok with lynching him no matter his alignment just so I don't have to deal with him. But there's also the option that he's being a dick because it's easier than playing normally when you're scum... so.. On February 09 2014 06:53 Palmar wrote: What is blatantly false? I'm not sure I'm following you. I think everything I said in my post was in fact true. I don't care what you think should be the best way to read you. How am I trying to skew your actions, literally what I said happened. I'll even quote it. Are you denying this happened? I mean feel free to attack my conclusion, but you can't attack my premise, that's just dumb. Also, I don't care what you think about "how players normally are". I'm not going to let people get away with doing stuff on "meta". On February 09 2014 07:06 Palmar wrote: 1. If that is protecting, then yeah, I'm protecting every single player in the game except you at the moment. I could push oats, but I could also be pushing other people. I decided to push you. 2. How on earth am I meant to answer that... are you seriously accusing me of being Palmar? I don't have an alternative account I can post under. Please stop this. 3. Because I can. On February 09 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote: How do you think people play mafia with people they don't know well? This is fair, it's obviously a bit dumb, but I guess the story makes sense. You say you've "covered" the Oats thing, but I still don't understand why you couldn't just answer Oats the question at the time. I mean you've now explained why you did what you did, and since you changed your vote in the same post you refused Oats an answer, your "poke" was no longer valid, so I still struggle with why you feel like you have to be a dick. You said something like "treat cora like geript is in the game (tm)". I have no idea what that even means. You think you're easy to read, but because you fucking insist on being a dick and intentionally do stupid and bad things, you're not. It's objectively bad to do some of the things you've done. If you want to be easy to read, be less of a dick and less disruptive. That all being said I need to consider. I have no opinion on Marv yet but he seems to think you're town... so idk. Please come back to the thread more useful and less asshole. On February 09 2014 10:07 Palmar wrote: I specifically asked people not to troll the response. So I am assuming geript's opinion of himself is genuine. His later outburst actually supports that, so that's consistent. I don't think it was a joke response. So yeah, it's entirely plausible geript just has a really hard time realizing how shit his posting is because he's caught up in trying to be a badass (why do so many people here want to be badasses?). On February 09 2014 10:08 Palmar wrote: The eternal question of mafia. Bad, or scum?  On February 10 2014 02:03 Palmar wrote: How about my wagon marv? help me instead? On February 10 2014 06:04 Palmar wrote: Bitch please, I got marv to ragequit by tunneling him. Get on my level. I the bolded is a possible explanation, and if I can't get anything else going Cora is probably the wagon I'll support. I still think we should lynch geript. He's just fucked off and done nothing since it became clear my case wasn't winning people over easily. Also I like all the resistance to his lynch, makes me think it's more likely he's scum. The only strange thing in that is, normally I would be less compromising about wanting to lynch my guy, but I basically didn't have my swag (been a while since I played), so I figured I needed to make a stance on the Koshi/VA/Cora thing (all were town!) And it didn't help that Cora decided to be a dick to me. | ||
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On February 18 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Think about this: scum put up Palmar/VE/Grack for lynch today. Of those three, who has been in the thread trying to figure shit out and find scum the most over the last 72 hours? Or in other words, of those three, who do you think scum hope gets lynched? I'll give you a hint: confirmed scum Keirathi made a huge case against one of them. Your argument would hold up perfectly if we're talking about your average mafia player. I am not your average mafia player. I do a lot of things other people don't. Let me name a few.
And I saved the most important one for last. I strongly believe I'm very good early in the game, and I have less faith in my ability later in the game. You have played enough games with me to know all of the above is 100% true. I can't trust late-game Palmar (who thinks you're town) over early-game Palmar (who thinks you're scum). I would not be trying to lynch you if this was a FFA lynch (probably). But it isn't. | ||
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It'd hurt so much if he was scum, we had such a good opportunity to lynch him. I just don't think mafia would've put him up against me (who is basically confirmed town) and Koshi (who everyone thought was town and had marv guarantee(tm)). | ||
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On February 18 2014 03:03 Risen wrote: Is it so much to ask that we discuss who to lynch NOT today since there's so little time left... like say, wave day 1 (still nothing), New guy nomination 2, hf day 3, New guy day 4, leftover day 5? All I ask is that I be lynched AFTER hf. Honestly I'd say lynch oats d3 but he's impossible to read so I'm more confident in my hf read. Why can't we do that tomorrow? We don't know who gets nominated, we don't know how the game is going to flow. | ||
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Are you absolutely certain holyflare is scum Grack? | ||
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On February 18 2014 05:21 yamato77 wrote: ##Vote Grackaroni These nomination days are extremely boring. do something or we default lynch you tomorrow. | ||
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