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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
February 08 2014 23:22 GMT
#321
EBWOP: But beyond that I don't see how anyone can have a scum read on him. Explain.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 08 2014 23:23 GMT
#322
I'm not "starting" with anything, you are. I'm waiting for you to do something rather than fling shit at him.

Btw I saved this post on my readthrough
On February 08 2014 22:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I start talking about VE and geript which I think is pretty clear.
Then your entrance introduced policy which actually interests me but the buddying withh marv looks bad to me

As far as policy itself I don't follow the strategy so I want clarification
And I found it interesting that you and yamato find it towny but geript is completely opposed to it, but since I don't understand the strategy behind it I can't really determine what a dichotomy like that indicates
If you're looking for conclusions on alignment then I'm sorry to disappooint you <12h into D1. Not enough feels yet

because the bolded bit is really bad. People buddy with me all the time and I buddy with people all the time. rayn and I quite happily buddy & work together, see the first edition of LXIV for a really obvious example where we 69ed in PMs and rayn pushed me as mayor even though I'd not done much in the thread.

rayn saying "let's find mafia together to me" does not warrant you saying that it looks bad to you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 08 2014 23:24 GMT
#323
People can read Oats, Risen, just because you cannot does not mean other people shouldn't talk about it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 08 2014 23:25 GMT
#324
On February 09 2014 08:10 marvellosity wrote:
Also Koshi, talk to me about your VA read properly please. Because I may have been thinking similar things but I want to know if my similar things are actually your similar things or not.

He is all serious and stuff. And the things he says are so strange. I am having no fun when I read VA. He is evil.
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 08 2014 23:26 GMT
#325
On February 09 2014 08:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 08:10 marvellosity wrote:
Also Koshi, talk to me about your VA read properly please. Because I may have been thinking similar things but I want to know if my similar things are actually your similar things or not.

He is all serious and stuff. And the things he says are so strange. I am having no fun when I read VA. He is evil.

ok, these were the things I thought too.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 08 2014 23:27 GMT
#326
On February 09 2014 08:26 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 08:25 Koshi wrote:
On February 09 2014 08:10 marvellosity wrote:
Also Koshi, talk to me about your VA read properly please. Because I may have been thinking similar things but I want to know if my similar things are actually your similar things or not.

He is all serious and stuff. And the things he says are so strange. I am having no fun when I read VA. He is evil.

ok, these were the things I thought too.

Pretty sure you were thinking he is evil as well then.
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 08 2014 23:28 GMT
#327
That was the implication behind my original question, yes
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 08 2014 23:53 GMT
#328
Was my answer sufficient enough so that you protect me against WoS for D1?
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 08 2014 23:57 GMT
#329
Naw, you have to fight your own battles. We both know that lazy Koshi can just be a cover from scumKoshi.

And while I agree about VA it feels kinda thin. Which isn't your fault but I don't really want to vote him for just that atm.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 09 2014 00:03 GMT
#330
On February 09 2014 08:23 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not "starting" with anything, you are. I'm waiting for you to do something rather than fling shit at him.

Btw I saved this post on my readthrough
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 22:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I start talking about VE and geript which I think is pretty clear.
Then your entrance introduced policy which actually interests me but the buddying withh marv looks bad to me

As far as policy itself I don't follow the strategy so I want clarification
And I found it interesting that you and yamato find it towny but geript is completely opposed to it, but since I don't understand the strategy behind it I can't really determine what a dichotomy like that indicates
If you're looking for conclusions on alignment then I'm sorry to disappooint you <12h into D1. Not enough feels yet

because the bolded bit is really bad. People buddy with me all the time and I buddy with people all the time. rayn and I quite happily buddy & work together, see the first edition of LXIV for a really obvious example where we 69ed in PMs and rayn pushed me as mayor even though I'd not done much in the thread.

rayn saying "let's find mafia together to me" does not warrant you saying that it looks bad to you.

It's not really bad at all. I am inherently untrustworthy of buddying, whether with me or anyone else. I often buddy to some degree with VE in games and even then I second-guess myself constantly as to motivations. I would think especially after coming off of two strong wins scum would want to buddy with a town-marv, and if you're scum then it doesn't really say a lot I don't think.

Buddying in general however brings me to Koshi.
His best buddy of all time is in this game, and yet Koshi has made no attempt to do his usual insane (and no offense) annoying buddying with Rayn. Up until only recently when I voted for him, Koshi has not commanded the attention and the usual joyfulness at rolling town that he does---only now have I seen a semblance of the carefree attitude he normally has. Before this he has been avoiding answering questions, being purposefully lazy and unhelpful.

I hosted SMB mafia with Dandel recently and Grack came up with this read on scum Koshi that was spot on D1.
On January 17 2014 14:02 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 13:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Oats said your reasoning for voting Koshi was a joke, and that you have real reasons. Is this true, and why do you think Oats said that?

That was my real reason. Koshi is usually more invested in the game and it feels really off to me that he is both not present in thread and doesn't seem to be having as much fun in the game as he normally does.


Yes, a lot of it based on meta and feels, but they're strong feels.


twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 09 2014 00:05 GMT
#331
I haven't rolled town in a while so it's easy to see why people might have a scumread on me so far, but I have to re-adjust my play constantly to avoid giving away tells
I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 09 2014 00:07 GMT
#332
Now the issue I have here is the eventual explanation of Koshi's VA read/vote.
The reasoning I originally was asking him about is the same thing marv and Koshi just referred to---put simply, scumVayne cares way more about a game than townVayne, and his early posting was enough that it actually showed just a little effort, enough to make me raise my eyebrows at it. I asked Koshi because I wanted to know if he picked up on it, which it seems he had, but the explanation was not offered.
Instead this was given
On February 09 2014 05:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 04:18 Risen wrote:
Reasoning?

Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 11:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'd say the mafia team would not bother chatting with eachother this early, if they have even showed up at all. Can probably put mutually exclusive brackets on geript(wave,yamato)

Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 11:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
if im reading this correctly, the first thing that sticks out to me is that mafia only gets one kill chosen solely by them, so I would keep a close eye on who they decide to kill. can't really waste that on WIFOM is a town is dominating.

+
No anger vs geript.

none of which he bothered explaining when I asked.

The problem here is VA has since apparently agreed with my 'feels' read of Koshi before I bothered to show a great deal of reasoning, and has activity or whatever could be referred to as activity has fallen off. The two of them having scumreads on each other makes it slightly perplexing.

Marv, are you going to leave Koshi to fight his own battle or would you like to comment on any of the above?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 09 2014 00:09 GMT
#333
Wanna buddy up WoS and Risen?
Computer says mafia
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 09 2014 00:09 GMT
#334
Not particularly.
VE, I believe you were also asking for rationale on Koshi.
Thoughts?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 09 2014 00:11 GMT
#335
Actually for that matter anyone can comment.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 09 2014 00:13 GMT
#336
typically a lot of people like to do that as scum including myself, it's easy to just go through and quote stuff and say it is bad. pretty much the easiest cases to make as scum. He did it in our last game on mig and such in w/e that game was
I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 09 2014 00:13 GMT
#337
Palmar if you'd like to talk, actually we can do that---will you be around in a couple hours?
Sorry for spam
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
February 09 2014 00:23 GMT
#338
On February 09 2014 09:09 Palmar wrote:
Wanna buddy up WoS and Risen?

Sure why not. I don't have the best feelings about WoS just because he tried to buddy me, though. So that's probably paranoia. I'm working on it.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 09 2014 00:26 GMT
#339
Grackaroni replaces OdinOfPergo effective right now
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
February 09 2014 00:27 GMT
#340
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