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I'm not pretentious
If you know someone is scum, and marv thinks VA is scum, marv gets his target lynched and you don't, even if marv is wrong, marv played better than you, because you did nothing.
It's equally useless to have good reads and no ability to convey your thoughts to the town, as it is to have bad reads.
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Like if Keirathi is scum, I'm awful at this game.
I'm not "good" because I was right on day 1 and tried to push it, I'm awful for allowing people to win my arguments using flawed reasoning. (flawed by definition as Cora was town).
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On February 13 2014 23:30 Palmar wrote: I'm not pretentious
If you know someone is scum, and marv thinks VA is scum, marv gets his target lynched and you don't, even if marv is wrong, marv played better than you, because you did nothing.
It's equally useless to have good reads and no ability to convey your thoughts to the town, as it is to have bad reads.
Stop twisting this back on it's head. I don't give a shit if you follow my reads or not and this is why you are being a shit towny if you are actually town. I posted a case that NOBODY DISCUSSED. I don't care if you agree or disagree with my reads. You didn't state any bit of it in your "grack is town" read and you didn't discuss anything with me. I just want to talk about the things I write so I can get to the bottom of the god damn game. Not be lectured about how I should cater my reads to the town. Can you not read written english or are you being an intentional asshole because catering to the town when the town isn't reading is NOT a thing that can be done.
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So much bitching hf. How is this helping solve the game?
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On February 13 2014 23:23 Holyflare wrote:You cannot complain about people being shit when you were a pretentious asshole that told me "You should cater your reads to the town" and almost got another towny lynched off which would be auto win for a VA mislynch in 2 days instead of reading what I wrote and discussing it you told me lul you gonna die and afk'd only to then ask marv what to do. Real hypocrtical of you. As for who is scum I'm pretty sure I need to change a few things around based on what just happened. b]VisceraEyes (1): Risen, Keirathi VayneAuthority (5): Oatsmaster, Palmar, Koshi, Marvellosity, VisceraEyes, Risen, marvellosity, Koshi, Holyflare Keirathi (1): WaveofShadow, Palmar, HolyflareOatsmaster (0): GrackaroniHolyflare (4): Grackaroni, Grackaroni, VayneAuthority, Risen, marvellosity , Koshi, Palmar, Holyflare WaveofShadow (1): yamato77 Grackaroni (0): Koshi, HolyflareThis was the final vote count. The wagon on me started initially because VA had a read on me based on nothing and then grack decided to join him and add to that nothingness case with nothing. Shortly after that people followed on. Marvellosity, Risen, Koshi, Palmar. Koshi and marv finally got off me and marv is town but the remaining people Grack/Risen/Palmar are HIGHLY likely to contain mafia. The best method for scum to win the game would have been to kill a person that was town that wasn't VA because VA would have been a very very easy mislynch in the next lynch phase and so what better way to do that then to stick to the person that wasn't around and then afk when things seem to happen.I've already made my case against grack and he states the timeline is wrong (not sure it is) but the rest of it still stands, his reads do not add up and he doesn't follow a coherent thought process through the entire game. Even now he is "frustrated" that nobody listens to him after not playing the game for 3 WHOLE DAYS and wondering why???? Palmar, I am so so so confused by him. Thought he was town, still kind of do, but his play around the lynch deadline and interactions around that are so bad it's frustrating to continue reading him as town. Why would he flat out ignore everything I wrote just to say "grack is town to me" and THEN lynch me off based on nothing straight after I made the case instead of generating discussion and trying to solve the game? He then asked marv to pretty much make his read for him at the end of the day: and marv didn't respond and he proceeded to further afk and THEN THE NEXT DAY CALL EVERYONE ELSE BAD FOR NOT PLAYING. This doesn't align with what I see as someone who wants to win by finding the remaining mafia. Risen on the other hand has done nothing all game, has sheeped reads, sheeped marv and then when marv went back off me he decided to turn sheep mode off and not listen to anything despite not being around for the times when it counts. He then did not do anything at deadline but afk. He is quite likely scum for this because I know he was around at the deadline time. [/b] This is really inaccurate. Scum are really unlikely to play like that and draw attention to themselves in that way when they know that Marv will be gone later and they can just sit back and hide until the next cycle and last second switch on to a town lurker.
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I am pissed off I just posted last page about votes that look suspicious. Either way, risen is looking fishy as hell.
On February 13 2014 04:22 Risen wrote: I'm down for stopping potential shenanigans.
##unvote ##vote: vayneauthority
On February 13 2014 04:25 Risen wrote: I'm down for lynching any of ve, keir, hf, va
On February 13 2014 06:26 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 05:46 marvellosity wrote:On February 13 2014 04:22 Risen wrote: I'm down for stopping potential shenanigans.
##unvote ##vote: vayneauthority On February 13 2014 04:25 Risen wrote: I'm down for lynching any of ve, keir, hf, va can anyone tell me how these posts even come close to going together? Well, VA is in the lead, I'm down for stopping any potential last second shenans since I've been asked to consolidate. So I did.
On February 13 2014 08:54 Risen wrote: Why is keir not getting lynched again?
On February 13 2014 06:35 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:30 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare
how about it Palmar? Won't you take me to Sheepytown! Won't you take me to Sheepytown! Won't you take me to Sheepytown! Won't you take me to SHEEEEEPYTOWN ##unvote ##vote: HolyflareBut where does this wanting to lynch HF come from Risen? It's nowhere in your filter? My genius and clever trap has worked~Marv NOT GIVIN A FUUUUUCK~Risen But you just said you wanted to stop last second shenans, Risen!!!~Marv + Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2014 08:37 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:30 marvellosity wrote: let's lynch va and worry about it tomorrow Sheepmode off :<
On February 13 2014 10:08 Risen wrote: Meh, not surprised.
Want's to consolidate, throws in random comments about Keir (who I am pretty sure is scum - distancing) but no push and I even tried to start a keir wagon that both grack and risen did not even join despite them both calling him scum, consolidates onto VA to stop shenanigans but THEN does shenanigans onto me when I was an easy mislynch at the time because I wasn't around. Marv unvotes and votes VA only for Risen to not care because I was an easy afk counter wagon and so he unsheeps marv. I return and start talking and he "afk's" only to return STRAIGHT after deadline to mention "meh, not surprised" after VA flips town. He has VA as a scum read and has no input on him but isn't surprised at all and doesn't really care.
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This is really inaccurate. Scum are really unlikely to play like that and draw attention to themselves in that way when they know that Marv will be gone later and they can just sit back and hide until the next cycle and last second switch on to a town lurker.
I hope you are actually kidding. I was afk when half the votes were placed onto me and MARVELOSSITY JOINED THE WAGON. That was the easiest scum switch to an afk person lynch that wasn't VA in the history of TL Mafia. There would be nobody looking bad because "oh he was afk" and when I returned I got angry that nobody was discussing shit so then it's "oh why would he rage as town". So portraying that as something bad would be ridiculous. Scum only need 1 more mislynch to win and who would be the easiest mislynch in the land? Oh yeh that's VA.
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How about you stop nitpicking and the tiniest things like that grack and solve the game too? You too oats:
On February 13 2014 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote: So much bitching hf. How is this helping solve the game?
Where are you solving the game?
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On February 13 2014 23:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +This is really inaccurate. Scum are really unlikely to play like that and draw attention to themselves in that way when they know that Marv will be gone later and they can just sit back and hide until the next cycle and last second switch on to a town lurker. I hope you are actually kidding. I was afk when half the votes were placed onto me and MARVELOSSITY JOINED THE WAGON. That was the easiest scum switch to an afk person lynch that wasn't VA in the history of TL Mafia. There would be nobody looking bad because "oh he was afk" and when I returned I got angry that nobody was discussing shit so then it's "oh why would he rage as town". So portraying that as something bad would be ridiculous. Scum only need 1 more mislynch to win and who would be the easiest mislynch in the land? Oh yeh that's VA. And I spent the entire day trying to get Marvellosity to switch. That's the hardest fucking scum switch in TL mafia history when I could literally just chill all day and then wait for a townie to vote VE or Yamato or Risen or whoever else is a town lurker and last second vote switch to win the game.
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Everything he does is meant to make me look bad. And it's really fucking obvious.
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He doesn't even think before he does it. It will be like, Grack's defense was really shit. I will respond your case was bad And he will go, "OH Yeah Grack? Why are you commenting on worthless stuff? Hmmmmmmmm?"
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On February 13 2014 23:49 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 23:47 Holyflare wrote:This is really inaccurate. Scum are really unlikely to play like that and draw attention to themselves in that way when they know that Marv will be gone later and they can just sit back and hide until the next cycle and last second switch on to a town lurker. I hope you are actually kidding. I was afk when half the votes were placed onto me and MARVELOSSITY JOINED THE WAGON. That was the easiest scum switch to an afk person lynch that wasn't VA in the history of TL Mafia. There would be nobody looking bad because "oh he was afk" and when I returned I got angry that nobody was discussing shit so then it's "oh why would he rage as town". So portraying that as something bad would be ridiculous. Scum only need 1 more mislynch to win and who would be the easiest mislynch in the land? Oh yeh that's VA. And I spent the entire day trying to get Marvellosity to switch. That's the hardest fucking scum switch in TL mafia history when I could literally just chill all day and then wait for a townie to vote VE or Yamato or Risen or whoever else is a town lurker and last second vote switch to win the game.
Ignoring the fact that those 3 could be not-town lurkers? Marv switched on his own volition not because you "convinced" him. You had no input in his switch whatsoever because you had NO reason to vote me just like VA. You weren't on the VA wagon who you called scum the entirety of the past 2 days and he flipped town, that looks so bad.
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On February 13 2014 23:51 Grackaroni wrote: He doesn't even think before he does it. It will be like, Grack's defense was really shit. I will respond your case was bad And he will go, "OH Yeah Grack? Why are you commenting on worthless stuff? Hmmmmmmmm?"
I re-read our exchanged and there was one point where I say that defence of grack was terrible and you took it to mean YOUR defence when in actuality I was using it to say Keirathi's defence of you was terrible here:
On February 13 2014 08:14 Keirathi wrote:Yea I'm not particularly interested in Grack for now. Too many little things like Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 01:51 Grackaroni wrote: Do you really think I'm sitting in the scum QT right now writing, "We need to get rid of Marv first. He's the best."? Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 11:00 Grackaroni wrote: Lol Oats I think I'll be here a while longer. Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 14:06 Grackaroni wrote:On February 10 2014 13:39 geript wrote: Wave, can't talk. In bathroom hiding phone usage. Look at Grack. <3 Now that is super scummy. I don't knowGrack; maybe he can do that as scum, but I'm doubtful. It's just too care-free and open and silly. He's welcome to stay for now.
and I was caught up in anger so I thought I meant it to mean your defence when you replied.
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Yeah I agree that is terrible.
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and I'm here posting now and doing vote analysis and YOU are shitting on me on such insignificant points and not helping to progress the game. Yet you are the one that wants to quit?! Where is the logic there at all.
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On February 13 2014 23:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 23:49 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 23:47 Holyflare wrote:This is really inaccurate. Scum are really unlikely to play like that and draw attention to themselves in that way when they know that Marv will be gone later and they can just sit back and hide until the next cycle and last second switch on to a town lurker. I hope you are actually kidding. I was afk when half the votes were placed onto me and MARVELOSSITY JOINED THE WAGON. That was the easiest scum switch to an afk person lynch that wasn't VA in the history of TL Mafia. There would be nobody looking bad because "oh he was afk" and when I returned I got angry that nobody was discussing shit so then it's "oh why would he rage as town". So portraying that as something bad would be ridiculous. Scum only need 1 more mislynch to win and who would be the easiest mislynch in the land? Oh yeh that's VA. And I spent the entire day trying to get Marvellosity to switch. That's the hardest fucking scum switch in TL mafia history when I could literally just chill all day and then wait for a townie to vote VE or Yamato or Risen or whoever else is a town lurker and last second vote switch to win the game. Ignoring the fact that those 3 could be not-town lurkers? Marv switched on his own volition not because you "convinced" him. You had no input in his switch whatsoever because you had NO reason to vote me just like VA. You weren't on the VA wagon who you called scum the entirety of the past 2 days and he flipped town, that looks so bad. There wouldn't be anything to switch to if it wasn't for me pestering him all day long.
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On February 13 2014 23:57 Holyflare wrote: and I'm here posting now and doing vote analysis and YOU are shitting on me on such insignificant points and not helping to progress the game. Yet you are the one that wants to quit?! Where is the logic there at all. What vote analysis? You said everyone voting you is scum. Then I said I think it's the opposite. Then you said, "Why dont you comment on something relevant, scum?
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On February 13 2014 23:57 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 23:53 Holyflare wrote:On February 13 2014 23:49 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 23:47 Holyflare wrote:This is really inaccurate. Scum are really unlikely to play like that and draw attention to themselves in that way when they know that Marv will be gone later and they can just sit back and hide until the next cycle and last second switch on to a town lurker. I hope you are actually kidding. I was afk when half the votes were placed onto me and MARVELOSSITY JOINED THE WAGON. That was the easiest scum switch to an afk person lynch that wasn't VA in the history of TL Mafia. There would be nobody looking bad because "oh he was afk" and when I returned I got angry that nobody was discussing shit so then it's "oh why would he rage as town". So portraying that as something bad would be ridiculous. Scum only need 1 more mislynch to win and who would be the easiest mislynch in the land? Oh yeh that's VA. And I spent the entire day trying to get Marvellosity to switch. That's the hardest fucking scum switch in TL mafia history when I could literally just chill all day and then wait for a townie to vote VE or Yamato or Risen or whoever else is a town lurker and last second vote switch to win the game. Ignoring the fact that those 3 could be not-town lurkers? Marv switched on his own volition not because you "convinced" him. You had no input in his switch whatsoever because you had NO reason to vote me just like VA. You weren't on the VA wagon who you called scum the entirety of the past 2 days and he flipped town, that looks so bad. There wouldn't be anything to switch to if it wasn't for me pestering him all day long.
marv can easily start a counter wagon on his own ~_~ as can be seen since 3 people joined the wagon after he did and not when you "convinced" him
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On February 13 2014 23:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 23:57 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 23:53 Holyflare wrote:On February 13 2014 23:49 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 23:47 Holyflare wrote:This is really inaccurate. Scum are really unlikely to play like that and draw attention to themselves in that way when they know that Marv will be gone later and they can just sit back and hide until the next cycle and last second switch on to a town lurker. I hope you are actually kidding. I was afk when half the votes were placed onto me and MARVELOSSITY JOINED THE WAGON. That was the easiest scum switch to an afk person lynch that wasn't VA in the history of TL Mafia. There would be nobody looking bad because "oh he was afk" and when I returned I got angry that nobody was discussing shit so then it's "oh why would he rage as town". So portraying that as something bad would be ridiculous. Scum only need 1 more mislynch to win and who would be the easiest mislynch in the land? Oh yeh that's VA. And I spent the entire day trying to get Marvellosity to switch. That's the hardest fucking scum switch in TL mafia history when I could literally just chill all day and then wait for a townie to vote VE or Yamato or Risen or whoever else is a town lurker and last second vote switch to win the game. Ignoring the fact that those 3 could be not-town lurkers? Marv switched on his own volition not because you "convinced" him. You had no input in his switch whatsoever because you had NO reason to vote me just like VA. You weren't on the VA wagon who you called scum the entirety of the past 2 days and he flipped town, that looks so bad. There wouldn't be anything to switch to if it wasn't for me pestering him all day long. marv can easily start a counter wagon on his own ~_~ as can be seen since 3 people joined the wagon after he did and not when you "convinced" him Because he's fucking Marv. He didn't give any reasoning and then as soon as he says to lynch you everyone piles on. But he wouldn't have ever done it if I hadn't bugged him all day long.
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