[S] Shadowed Mini Mafia

On February 04 2014 07:16 Koshi wrote:

Who isn't going to meet those requirements?

On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote:
Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it.

On February 04 2014 07:43 Balla24 wrote:
No not at all, I just want you to commit.



What are you trying to say? You don't want the requirement cause you know you can't meet it? Or Koshi is supposed to know you already will disagree with his plan?

##vote LoneMeow

On February 04 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:

How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this:
LM is null.
Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off.
There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game.

On February 04 2014 19:49 Koshi wrote:

I give him a point in the scum collomn.

Don't know what Jonny his deal is but he has been hostile towards me from the get go. He answered pretty hostile on my policy thing, but that was null. But then he taunted me with the PYP Inventor thing and I was just "ok w.e". And now he is saying that due to my shitposting people can act scummy, but those people are null.

On February 04 2014 20:08 Koshi wrote:

His reasoning made sense and playing so serious from the start is townie.

On February 04 2014 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
yes koshi is scum

On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:
Policy discussion isn't shitposting, it forces people to take responsibility for what they say. If they don't follow through, then we can figure out what's up. I said I would easily be able to hit the benchmark, cool, if I dont reach anywhere close to that then WTF? These kind of things are good, not bad. Hopeless did a similar thing to me, saying he's motivated by it, but he bailed.

On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.

On February 05 2014 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote:

how everyone doesnt really want to find scum lol.

I dunno, nothing really stood out. I would really like to discuss cakemanofdoom and hopeless though, what are your thoughts on them?

On February 04 2014 12:20 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not.

On February 05 2014 01:16 Balla24 wrote:


Stuff like this is similar to above.

Though here it kind of seems like LoneMeow was expecting an answer and didn't get it, and he wants to call me scum for it without calling me scum.

On February 05 2014 01:30 Balla24 wrote:


Are you saying my vote was correct in the first place, seems weird that you're calling me out for unvoting. Anyways, 2 reasons:

1. I believe it's more likely for scum to have agreed with Koshi then to disagree with him straight up like you did.
2. The conversation about my vote had already been hashed out, no reason to keep it there.

Moving my vote isn't that interesting is it? I could still have my vote on you and it wouldn't really change anything.

On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T

On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:

When people say "I am not waffling" they are waffling. Also, did people think he was waffling? I don't even see where he was waffling. That's what they call inherent guilt. He looks at his own posts and sees the flaws in them, or at least he thinks they are there.

##vote: JonnyLaw

On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote:
9. JonnyLaw Pretty waffly at the start. He is posting but he doesn't seem to have firm convictions. He didn't liike Balla early but he has played with baller 3-2 times with him being scum so his suspicion is warrented. He hasn't produced much content tho he just seems like going with the flow

On February 05 2014 13:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
How would you open a game as scum?

On February 05 2014 13:55 Hopeless1der wrote:

Oats, analyze this post and tell me what alignment slam is.

On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:
Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM:




Just look at the progression:
"How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread"
"LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones"
"LM can be lynched"
"LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault"
It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM.

On February 06 2014 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
Is anyone interested in chatting with me about cakemanofdoom?

On February 06 2014 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
Once again:
"Jay is town because...."


"Jay is scum because...."


Jay never posted in between these two posts.

On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game.

I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet.


I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk.

Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic.

He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why



Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position.

On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why.

I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now.

LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches.
Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo.

Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try.

On February 06 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
@LoneMeow
You're right about how cakeman isn't making sudden leaps in his reads. That's not really the point I was trying to make though. Jay hadnt posted anything further between "I don't want to lynch Jay" and "I think Jay is mafia".

Those two thoughts should be considered as contradictory. I shouldn't need to say this, but town wants to lynch mafia. All of the possible evidence for both independent thoughts were already in thread at the time of posting each thought. Its the fence sitting that I think is scummy about him. Suki points out (in the same quotes) how he does the same thing regarding you LM.

On February 06 2014 01:35 Balla24 wrote:


What was the point of this question if you agreed with me:



It literally says "i brb", yet you post a meaningless question when it clearly says I will elaborate. Then your conclusion is, yes he is misrepresenting stuff.

"Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context." is only useful if you disagree and aren't finding anything yourself, yet now you're agreeing.

On February 06 2014 01:35 Balla24 wrote:
Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum?

On February 06 2014 01:39 suki wrote:
@LoneMeow

Now that Hopeless has posted his case what's your opinion of Hopeless and Oats?

I'd like you to put your vote down somewhere.

On February 06 2014 01:46 Balla24 wrote:
Meh... not when you don't even wait an hour for a followup when I am clearly implying I will followup. I didn't even return to the thread yet.

On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote:
Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?

It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.

On February 05 2014 15:21 Hopeless1der wrote:

kk first thing when I wake up.

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@cakeman, you were reluctant to vote jay earlier (when you were saying koshi is scum). What changed?

On February 06 2014 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote:

Because Oats isn't getting lynched by the looks of things. There is sufficient reasoning to lynch either of them independently of the other.

On February 06 2014 03:30 Balla24 wrote:


I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive.
As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation.

If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game.

On February 06 2014 03:35 Hopeless1der wrote:

That's not an OMGUS at all LM. I don't really want to lynch Koshi though. What does it say about cakeman that koshi isn't participating?

On February 06 2014 03:38 suki wrote:
LoneMeow, why do you think Hopeless looks better? How sure are you that Hopeless is scum since you still seem to be pressuring him?

On February 06 2014 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote:

Because Oats isn't getting lynched by the looks of things. There is sufficient reasoning to lynch either of them independently of the other.

On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote:
LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.

His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy?
That doesn't make sense at all.

On February 06 2014 01:53 Koshi wrote:

tbh, I thought he was a blue when reading him earlier.

On February 06 2014 04:16 JonnyLaw wrote:
btw ##unvote

##vote jaybrundage

Forgot my vote was on Koshi.

Gonna update vote count.

On February 06 2014 04:34 suki wrote:
A point against LoneMeow, I don't see why LoneMeow hasn't voted yet even after being asked multiple times.

On February 06 2014 04:17 LoneMeow wrote:


You were calling me town for a long time earlier; that's all you have to say about changing your mind so drastically? How does the earlier part of my filter that gave you town vibe look when you try to look at it from this perspective?



This is all you have to say about one of the top lynch candidates for today? Really?

##Vote: Koshi

On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote:
I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.

On February 06 2014 04:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town.

On February 06 2014 04:55 Balla24 wrote:


yeah im kind of peeved about that... basically 24+ hours where we can't even consider a spot's alignment....

On February 06 2014 04:59 Koshi wrote:
LoneMeow can you point me to a scumgame of yours?

On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote:


Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.

On February 06 2014 05:11 suki wrote:
That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.

On February 06 2014 05:21 Balla24 wrote:


Point out what you're talking about. I only see a few posts where he seems more like scum-slam and FAR more non-sensical trolly town slam.

On February 05 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote:
He just isn't vocalizing his reasons.

Koshi is scummy at first because of his crazy entry to the thread. He is further scummy because he abandons the policy as some sort of joke as soon as he gets fire for it.

Oats is Oats, have you been in many games with him? I don't try to read him yet

Balla24 finally so town ist awesome.

Jaybrundage not near as scummy as I thought he was last night.

But I am devolving into list posting stuff you all either already know or won't care about.

I hope we aren't around looking for some sort of scum tell. I was and I was getting all pissy because I was finding them everywhere. What we need to do is find the unknown, by conventional or unconventional means.

Vote: LoneMeow

jaybrundage why are you scummy? I don't care if you know your alignment is town, why are you scummy? What have you done in this game that is scummy? I want you to look over stuff in your own filter and point it out.

if you feel like it, answer the same question Sidesprang. Or not.

On February 06 2014 05:32 JonnyLaw wrote:
lm what do you think of hopeless?

On February 06 2014 05:33 Balla24 wrote:
So you think he's scum or what LoneMeow?

If he is then compile something, if not then what are you posting this about in the first place.

I totally understand what you are TRYING to say, but you need to just come out and say it. He has a few posts where he's pro-town non trolly sharing reads and whatever, but for the most part he's pretty trolly and non-sensical and cryptic. Which is town slam. So for the most part, I see him as town slam.

On February 06 2014 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Lets lynch Koshi. Maybe Hopeless. Yeah those are good lynches. Don't lynch cakeman.

+ Show Spoiler +
Hmm we should lynch hopeless. LoneMeow maybe but he's easy to lynch later anyways. Lets lynch hopeless.

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh alright you guys, I guess I can lynch LoneMeow. Btw we should totes lynch Hopeless.

On February 06 2014 06:04 suki wrote:


LoneMeow can you explain why Hopeless and Koshi can't be scum if jay is scum.

On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote:
hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.

On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote:
Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy.

I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day.

I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads.

On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote:
hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum.

On February 06 2014 05:27 jaybrundage wrote:

##Unvote
##Vote Lonemeow

Again if we wanna do some last minute vote switch shannigans on Hopeless I would totes be down.

On February 06 2014 06:47 Balla24 wrote:


I had the impression that he always had you as a lynch target. Since his case on you.

On February 06 2014 06:56 JonnyLaw wrote:
##unvote
##vote lonemeow

Your last posts, including the koshi switch don't make scum sense.

You better be docta jay.

On February 06 2014 06:57 Balla24 wrote:
LM DID YOU CRUMB!?!?!?