I've written the same post five or six times now but don't wanna talk about the last game because of the inferences that can be made.
Oh well, post game.
Let's win this game town. Cya tomorrow.
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I've written the same post five or six times now but don't wanna talk about the last game because of the inferences that can be made. Oh well, post game. Let's win this game town. Cya tomorrow. | ||
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You coached me like two months ago and we had what 6 posts in our qt? Coaching not that great most times. town needs help. Stop bitching just cuz you all lost and we gonna win. | ||
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already calling me out on a game you're not even playing. this is why i deleted those other posts. get outta here go to obs qt...as of 22 hours from now? | ||
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Three of them were lurkers in our games. We're lynching them d1 if they do nothing. | ||
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On February 03 2014 12:35 suki wrote: It won't be comparison in compared to blues but the fundamentals will be the same. Anyways Jonny nice to see ya. If I write a case about you being scum this game can you be a little nicer and not flame me for being a horrible player :| I mean, I know I'm a horrible player but I gots feelings >_< I'm sorry t.t | ||
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I voted original deadline but if they're even I can work with either of them. | ||
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Who's here? | ||
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Lynching lurkers is fine but your 40 posts are ambitious. | ||
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Anyway, fuck policy talk. I've played with nearly everyone in this game. Whatcha wanna know koshi? Weren't you lurking in the lol game as inventor and nearly getting lynched? What's the sudden policy rush friend? | ||
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I hope for better. | ||
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It worked okay as a conversation starter but on Wednesday are you going to be sitting around counting people's posts since the game started? I'm not. I assume people are going to play the game. If they don't we'll fucking lynch them. It's that simple. I want help catching scum. I don't want people shitting up the thread with nonsense. And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started. On February 04 2014 07:40 LoneMeow wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it. Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts. | ||
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This isn't even worth discussing anymore. No one's being lynched for having 39 quality pro-town posts. It's a fine benchmark. | ||
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I actually like your reasoning looking at it again. He comes in and justifies lurking. Huh? I still agree with his second post. | ||
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Not inquisitive. And no thread presence. His filters in the town games are like 3x the size of the scum games. Basic mafia trying to misdirect attention. | ||
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I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games. And no balla it's 3/4 NMM xlvii, L and normal mini I | ||
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I used that as my only credentials for not being lynched in that game. If Balla's scum, he'll die. | ||
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Hi cakeman. Please don't become lynch bait by not posting if you're town. + Show Spoiler [@balla] + This is driving me nuts. I literally just looked at those games as i changed my profile. nmm xlvii end gamed by balla scum nmm L, I was shot n2, balla shot N3 nmm LI, balla shot jonnylaw N1 normal mini mafia iballa lynched day 1 | ||
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Suki always thinks what I say is scummy. null read. no towniest read. scummiest read - koshi lynch the lurkers post as much as needed to get scum lynched. | ||
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Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing. At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game. Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. | ||
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What did you specifically dislike about Jayb's post Suki? I see reason to dislike it but I'm interested in your opinion. | ||
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Why did you pick SS out of everyone who hasn't done much yet? Looking at the list there are a number of other candidates. Why him in particular? | ||
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Anyway, I'm not waffling on anything. I'm trying to figure out the game. If you have firm convictions this early you're an idiot or a god. | ||
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On February 04 2014 22:50 Koshi wrote: I never said it was nonsense. It's a good policy but in the end I knew I wouldn't follow through with it anyway. And take away everything people said about my first post in the game and we would have a 6 page thread. So yeah, I am pretty happy with it. You're making the same point I made. You posted something stupid that you admittedly don't want to follow through with in the end. If we take away everyone talking about your first post then maybe we'd have better content instead of discussion about post counts. Did the discussion about that post tell you where the scum are at in this game Koshi? I don't think that discussion will ever point out scum. Why even go there when you don't want to follow through anyway? I'm trying to understand your motives here. I'm heading to work very soon. Just checking the thread before I go. | ||
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I'll address Koshi's post afterwards. Not too worried about it at the moment. | ||
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After Jay's done talking about policy he starts posting that he's doing what a good townie would be doing. But I don't believe he's actually doing it. Just talking. He starts off talking about Sidesprang out of all of the lurkers. I ask him why Sidesprang and his answer made sense to me originally. I should properly preface this by saying that before the game as I was looking at some of the games from other players. I noticed sidesprang had a worrying about of posts in his town game. Perhaps like 2 - 3 posts a cycle and that was pushing it. I noted that and planned to put alot of pressure on him this game. I was considering trying to start a policy lynch on him with my first post to get conversation moving and put pressure. Then he reveals he hasn't really looked into others later. I think his filter dive on sidesprang could be a bus or he did it when pressured about why he wanted to go after sidesprang. LM, cakeman and prob others have short filters in their recent games as well. Who are these other people he looked into then? Jay's saying "look I did super town things hunting scum." On February 04 2014 08:58 jaybrundage wrote: Balla is this your first mafia game? I was browsing some of this towns old games and didn't see you. On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o On February 04 2014 12:31 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote: And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town? he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh. Whats up Masta of the Oats? Been a long time since we played ill have to look ya up. Tho I don't like the buddying atm :o Then there's the entire interaction with Suki. This is out of the big list thread. Which I hated by the way. Jay's telling the town to post clearly and giving advice while doing the exact opposite the entire game. There's not one concise read. On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote: 10. Suki scummy I don't like suki so far she just seems like she has no real motivation behind her posting. Her poke at jonnys waffleing was ok but then when balla inquired about it she said she never said she implied hes scum or anything LIke wtf? Why poke at someone but have no real reason behind it. It would seem that she didn't understand him but then she didn't say that she got very defensive. Said she didn't see anything with LM posting slight defending I dont like her atm He goes from that to this. I can understand changing your mind but I don't think that case was straightforward or even particularly good. On February 05 2014 02:35 jaybrundage wrote: SUKI GONNA RUSTLE SOME JIMMIES I like your case seems well thought out and pretty straight forward logic. The first big case of the thread :D On February 05 2014 02:48 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 02:38 Alakaslam wrote: pffft. you all crappin on my styles ##unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day! He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this. So looking at my posting the thing that you might perceive as "scummy" Is that I am not posting my own opinion as much as prodding other's for information. And that is intentional I want to see more posting from lurkers that is my number 1 concern at the moment. I want to be able to separate the town lurkers to the scum lurkers. My other question is why did you vote Lonemeow but then vote Oatsmaster when suki and Balla made cases and votes against him. What was your initial intention to vote lone meow in the first place? Why switch over to Oats just cause thread sentiment is going in that direction. Town should be posting opinions and hunting scum. Yet there's none of that here. When are you going to start playing this game Jay? Pressuring and even voting lurkers is fine by me. You're not above the game though. Lets chat. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow. That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow. That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me. I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats. What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game. We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote: JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases. I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information. What do you think of Oats? Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time? | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:32 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 11:11 JonnyLaw wrote: The play feels so calculated. An attempt to lead the town without actually leading. This stuck out to me. Does making a big case not imply I want to help lead the town. Can you say what you mean here. It's the timing Jay. Your answers come out as I ask you questions. I still want to know what you think of Oats, and Suki's case on Oats. You like it but don't think Oats is scummy and don't want to vote. Why did you say that about Suki's case? I hate that comment so much. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:35 JonnyLaw wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 11:32 jaybrundage wrote: On February 05 2014 11:11 JonnyLaw wrote: The play feels so calculated. An attempt to lead the town without actually leading. This stuck out to me. Does making a big case not imply I want to help lead the town. Can you say what you mean here. It's the timing Jay. Your answers come out as I ask you questions. I still want to know what you think of Oats, and Suki's case on Oats. You like it but don't think Oats is scummy and don't want to vote. Why did you say that about Suki's case? I hate that comment so much. Oh fuck, I phrased that so stupidly. You don't say anything until someone presses you. Of course you answer questions. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:40 Balla24 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 11:33 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote: JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases. I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information. What do you think of Oats? Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time? I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats. Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki. I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not. What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about. I've asked Jay the same question five times without getting an answer. I won't lynch Oats today. I read two of his town games and played scum with him in lolpyp. He seems interested enough in this game and it's not different than his normal town play. He could be scum but don't think he's the best d1 lynch. I've said lynch lurkers since day1. Kill hopeless if he doesn't play. I'm trying to have a conversation and flesh out how you two sit. You're kinda just agreeing with Jay. That's why I asked specific questions. | ||
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On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far. Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy. mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post. Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi? | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 11:23 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote: On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow. That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me. I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats. What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game. We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions. Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town. I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him. Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have. You don't need to sheep Suki. Post your opinion. "I like this part and I don't like this part." You're trying to tell people how to play and what to look for and then you have that post. You flip on Suki and at the same time aren't trying to convince people how to play the game anymore. ##vote Jaybrundage | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + it also makes you look like you care.more about looking like town than finding scumOn February 05 2014 12:00 jaybrundage wrote: On February 05 2014 11:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh man jay why are you so concerned on what people think about you? The first step to playing town is to show your innocence. If people think your innocent then your one less mislynch and people will be more likely to listen to you. Like in LOL PYP I thought supersoft was scum on like day 2. But I couldn't convince anyone to vote with me. After the game someone mentioned to me that cause I looked scummy I was less likely to get support. Also I learned shit in the shadow game #learn #smrt #townielyfe that's what i'm saying. Oats, I dunno man. hopeless has 11 pages of filter in 10 days of that smb game. | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:07 Balla24 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though. So like why are you justifying not wanting to lynch him because of that "conclusion" though? Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though. On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote: On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far. Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy. mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post. Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi? No because he is answering my question that is assuming Koshi is town creating a "bait". He said this in response to suki's post here: + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2014 09:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote: So right now Oats is super scummy to me. His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views: On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy. Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone. Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote: On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far. Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy. mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post. This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it. Who is Oats willing to lynch today? This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point. On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch. (... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.) Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches? He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out? Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? [green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed. Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth: On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, [jay] probably town On February 04 2014 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote: On February 04 2014 12:17 suki wrote: On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote: On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote: And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town? he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh. Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum? asking all those questions Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke. On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote: Before I answer that can you answer me this: Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM. I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers? In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case. When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case. ##vote Oatsmaster No, that conclusion is the only reason I'd lynch him. Generally this game I've agreed with Oats though. I think there are better d1 candidates. | ||
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That post I quoted is the only reason I'd want to lynch him in general at this point. Never said today. It's there for future reference and conversation. | ||
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Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff. I'm gonna go reread some filters. | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:23 Balla24 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote: The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts. Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff. I'm gonna go reread some filters. So you completely disagree with his LoneMeow case then? Of course not. I think he makes a lot of reasonable points. I can filter anyone and find reasonable points. I think Jay's scummier than LM or Oats. | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:33 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote: The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts. Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff. I'm gonna go reread some filters. Ok lemme get this straight. You think im scum. But you don't disagree about my case on lonemeow. So what am I doing that is so scummy. If you say acting townie or some stupid shit like that. I won't be happy. Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 12:25 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 12:23 Balla24 wrote: On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote: The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts. Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff. I'm gonna go reread some filters. So you completely disagree with his LoneMeow case then? Of course not. I think he makes a lot of reasonable points. I can filter anyone and find reasonable points. I think Jay's scummier than LM or Oats. Scum can make a decent case too. I've said why I think you're scummy. You tell other players what to do and don't do it yourself unless questioned. Until your post on LM you said nothing all game. I really, really hate your post about suki. It's not about "oats defending himself." It's what do you think about it. It made suki town in your eyes. I get it. What do you think about the case and Oats? I don't care if you think Suki's town suddenly because of one post. | ||
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On February 05 2014 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote: No the entrances are not the same Oats. SMB I was there at daypost. LXIV? Literally first post of the game (and 3-man-confirmed-mason to boot). Here? Not so much. You shouldn't be able to draw meaningful comparisons here and in any case the reasoning is so frivolous I find it alarming that this is your justification for voting me. If you don't post something I'll vote you too. What do you think of LM, oats and Jay? | ||
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DO NOT LYNCH CAKE. I REPEAT DO NOT LYNCH CAKEMAN! DO NOT FUCKING LYNCH CAKEMANOFDOOM! I'll post more in 5 mins. That case is fucking awful. | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/gA5BjwKEXfQn http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=cakemanofdoom Onto hopeless v cakeman. + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2014 01:19 LoneMeow wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2014 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote: Once again: "Jay is town because...." On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched "Jay is scum because...." On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Jay never posted in between these two posts. If you look at both of the posts in their entirety they're far less damning: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 13:46 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't want to lynch jay today. He's posted too many sensible things that I don't want him gone yet. I also think that it's pretty reasonable to focus on generating discussion and getting reads rather than posting cases and trying to get people lynched, especially when it's still early on in the game. I'm willing to lynch LM. Mostly because of lack of content. The questions he asks aren't too bad, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything with his answers. At this point I'd prefer lynching hopeless, nothing even on the level of LM's questions yet. I think Koshi might be scum. He started off with a policy meant to generate discusison, cool. But the next time he enters the thread, he explicitly claims that he's just gonna be lurky and let others talk. On February 04 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: I have no interest in calling out people already. In 24 hours you will know more. I would like Jonny to explain his arguments against me though. I am actually upset about the fact my early posting is "shitposting" tbh. Seems like he's trying to get away with non-contribution, and wasting most of his day 1 by being cryptic. He ended up posting a case on Jonny, which was bad and atm it looks like Koshi doesn't stand by his own case. Jonny's actions regarding the LM vote actually do make sense. Koshi also accuses Jonny of having a scum mentality for talking about his own waffling... even though Jonny was responding to a question and Koshi thought that too. I don't know why On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm. The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me. In bed atm sleeping. Koshi also has a defense post. But it doesn't seem to me like he's that worked up about a read, and it doesn't feel like he's posted all that much (well, his filter is kinda long. Main reason I'm not totally convinced he's mafia). I can't believe his claim about fast reactions in my position. Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 15:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: I think Koshi is mafia. My last post went over why. I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now. LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo. Need to think about/read alaska and suki more. I thought suki was mafia for a bit, then she seemed to post and try. It's not like he's saying "jay is town" and then suddenly going "jay is scum". More like a gradual shift from "I don't want to lynch jay" to "jay seems scummy but..." LM got it right. That's a very town line of thinking. He's considering the options regarding Jay and thinking about the game. His line of thinking is very transparent. Jay's contributing so he doesn't want to lynch him yet. If Jay's town he'll be helpful and if not he's posting enough we can catch him later. In between those two posts that hopeless picked out the scummy parts there was a lot of discussion regarding Jay even if he didn't post himself. From the linked game. On November 01 2013 05:16 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't like how July suddenly picked poofter (who had 0 votes beforehand) out of the lurky people to vote for. It can only cause confusion at this point. I wanna keep my vote on July atm. I guess I'm suspicious of odin enough to vote for him if it comes down to him. I don't have a lot of trust for the current voters, but I'm not trusting a lot people in the game period so I guess there's no way around that. On November 01 2013 05:30 cakemanofdoom wrote: At first, I didn't want to lynch odin before he had more chances to read and talk. And others seemed more scummy to me at the moment. Odin was suspicious to me, but it didn't seem like it would be possible to get him lynched. July's posts are erratic, but I can see mafia motivations behind his most recent one so I like the lynch. Odin's chaos wasn't that close to voting deadline, and I think conversation starting was still a good idea at the time. He does this a few times in the game. It's town thinking about the game and working it through their mind. | ||
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##vote jaybrundage Forgot my vote was on Koshi. Gonna update vote count. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 1 - Deadline at Wednesday, Feb 05 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Hopeless1der (4): Oatsmaster, suki, Balla24, cakemanofdoom Oatsmaster (1): Hopeless1der, JonnyLaw (1): Koshi jaybrundage (1): JonnyLaw Hopeless1der (1): jaybrundage Koshi (0): LoneMeow (0): Not voted: (3): Sidesprang (will be replaced after D1), Alakaslam, LoneMeow If there's any mistakes, please let me know. At the moment, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched. Day 1 - Deadline at Wednesday, Feb 05 2:59pm MST (GMT-07:00) Hopeless1der (2): Oatsmaster, suki, Balla24, cakemanofdoom, koshi, jayb Oatsmaster (2): Hopeless1der, suki, Balla24, Alakaslam JonnyLaw (0): Koshi jaybrundage (2): JonnyLaw, alakaslam Koshi (2): Oatsmastercakeman, lonemeow LoneMeow (0): Balla24, jaybrundage cakemanofdoom (3): suki, hopeless, oats lonemeow(1): koshi Looks like cake's set to be lynched. Please change this. Correct me if that's wrong. I went quickly. | ||
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There are two ways I see to look at hopeless. 1) Town. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched. 2) Scum. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched. The first one is anti-town. The second one is anti-town. I'd lynch hopeless over cake any day. | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:25 JonnyLaw wrote: I'm in the same spot as yesterday regarding Jay. There are two ways I see to look at hopeless. 1) Town. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched. 2) Scum. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find someone who's lynch bait so I don't get lynched. The first one is anti-town. The second one is anti-town. I'd lynch hopeless over cake any day. You're right. I thought his first post was earlier. brb gonna read hd filter. | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote: 3) Town. I was afk 24 hrs and did nothing and came back to find scum and lynch them Could be. Trying to figure that out. Oats why did you change your mind on hopeless? | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:33 Hopeless1der wrote: No LXIII was my last scumgame Uhh...yeah. Based on that game and your entrance here I can't lynch you yet. I see where oats' change of mind came from now. Gonna look at LM and koshi filters since no one else wants jay dead apparently. | ||
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Anyway if I'm not mistaken LM set to be lynched and votes are all over the place. Let's try and get some consensus. Anyway brb filtering koshi and lm. Cakeman I really expect to hear some defense from you about the cases and some input on someone or I'm going to feel like a giant fucking jackass for defending scummers. I said at the beginning of the game don't make yourself lynch bait. You're going from lynch bait to nervous town in these last two hours you've been here and not commenting when you're clearly up for being lynched. | ||
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When I made those two posts defending him I had not caught up to the thread yet. I saw your case and looked at his filter in the two games I compared. | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:56 LoneMeow wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2014 04:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town. Quick forum search seems to say he's only played one game before this and he was town in that one. Are you calling him scum now? After defending him so vigorously earlier? What changed your mind? No, I'm getting pissed off if he's here and not saying anything still. Not having good reads and I'll be back soon make sense to me to be honest. I didn't like your case when I read it then saw votes flying at cakeman. That's why I made that defense. I'm still leaning town with his last post. hd what's your take on Koshi? | ||
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Koshi's play doesn't fit scum agenda throughout the game. I'll still lynch jay btw. ##unvote ##vote Lonemeow | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:19 Balla24 wrote: Yep. Like I said before. If Koshi's Jonny case was purposefully misrepresenting what jonny was saying, then he's scum. But evidence points to that it wasn't on purpose. Another thing that is nagging me is I don't see anybody really doing anything together with Koshi. This is a terrible point since nobody has flipped but its still in the back of my mind. LoneMeow on the other hand, still isn't really changing what he's doing. It's the same stuff that people have been calling him out for and he didn't change. I'd still lynch Hopeless1der hard as hell too. ##unvote ##vote LoneMeow Where'd hopeless go? He made a case and posted for an hour. All pressure seemingly dropped off him and he afks without commenting on Cakeman again or really trying to push the lynch. I'll look at Jay again LM. | ||
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I'd rather focus my time on figuring out this lm, koshi, hopeless trio. lm what do you think of hopeless? | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:36 Hopeless1der wrote: I went to get lunch guys holy shit Catch up then! Do you still want to lynch cakeman or what? | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:50 Alakaslam wrote: The heck is up with this lone wagon? I didn't think I could Jay lynched and you weren't helping. I'd rather lynch Jay. I think LM is more scummy than Koshi. koshi and lm was close when I voted. ##unvote ##vote jaybrundage Lets see if this can work. | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:57 Balla24 wrote: @Alakaslam While I didn't think it was a trap at all, I don't see jaybrundage's reaction as scummy. I thought exactly the same thing. Your trap was dumb, and just because jaybrundage's tone was different than mine doesn't mean anything. Especially since his tone is consistently calm and collected throughout all his posts. That's it. When I read jay I feel like he's trying to [i]act[/] townie. He says all the right things to look town but I don't see where he's actually trying to hunt scum. | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:08 Balla24 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2014 06:00 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 06 2014 05:57 Balla24 wrote: @Alakaslam While I didn't think it was a trap at all, I don't see jaybrundage's reaction as scummy. I thought exactly the same thing. Your trap was dumb, and just because jaybrundage's tone was different than mine doesn't mean anything. Especially since his tone is consistently calm and collected throughout all his posts. That's it. When I read jay I feel like he's trying to [i]act[/] townie. He says all the right things to look town but I don't see where he's actually trying to hunt scum. Eh. I see what you're saying but I don't really think that makes someone scum. It's more of a bad feeling rather than a read. You're good at that, so I won't be surprised if you're right. I just don't want to lynch him today. Lonemeow, Hopeless both bother me much more than anything Jay has done. There's very little that bothers me about Jay. Again though, it's probably mostly cause he's posting a lot of the same stuff that I'm saying or thinking. Can you point out the differences between his play and my play? Like am I scum-hunting more? Why is he scum where i'm not? Fine, be right with you on this question. | ||
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It all started on a dreary and slow day 1 of scum hunting. This post is the beginning of Jay sheeping town balla. Jay entered the thread with this post. Jay instructs town how to play. He wants to establish himself firmly as the pro-town town leader. For the rest of the game I don't see him hunting scum. On February 04 2014 08:58 jaybrundage wrote: Wassup guys. Koshi's baseline is post often. That simple. I prefer we don't get spammy and post mass one liners (As I tend to do sometime giving my current thoughts) But try to know what you are saying when you post as well. Have a clear intention. We DO need to have pressure to make people who usually lurk (whether they be town or scum) post more often. So I like the guideline in general. So lets try to aim for 40 as a benchmark why not. Balla is this your first mafia game? I was browsing some of this towns old games and didn't see you. On February 04 2014 09:33 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2014 09:27 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla's played a few games Jay. Did his vote on LM then leaving strike you oddly? This isn't even worth discussing anymore. No one's being lynched for having 39 quality pro-town posts. It's a fine benchmark. I liked his vote on LM. I noticed earlier when i was going thru some players in the mafia database that his name wasn't anywhere. And his opening seemed like he wasn't new. Then he talks about filtering a lot of players in the game yet only tunnels onto sidesprang out of all the other players who have lurked in past games. Reference my post from yesterday if you want more details. You entered the game and started pressuring people balla. Jay entered the thread and started getting cozy with you. It worked. Everything about his play feels fake to me. | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:28 jaybrundage wrote: @jonny Do you realize your tunneling me? I have posted analysis on Koshi. lonemeow, and Hopeless1der. Yet you say I don't scum hunt. I do realize and I'm sorry if you're town. I've typically been correct when I feel this way about someone's play. | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:48 jaybrundage wrote: Hm seeing that you still care about this game makes you not as likely scum I am not the scum your looking for however. I do understand your trying to get me lynched to save your life. I'm going to be switching to Koshi as him not caring seems pretty indicative of scum. ##Unvote ##Vote Koshi Show nested quote + On February 06 2014 06:44 LoneMeow wrote: This wagon on me is a mislynch and jaybrundage is scum. This progressing is incredibly unnatural: On February 06 2014 04:44 jaybrundage wrote: Koshi doesn't look to great. He has alot of little snippets and he doesnt seem to be looking for scum. He posted these things telling people to forget about his first post and then ignore his jonny case. However these are some of the only things in his history that are memorable. I also don't like how he comes back into the thread content to sit on his hopeless vote with out even talking to people about reads or trying to discern alignment. It's pretty scummy. I would be ok with a Koshi lynch. I am a bit worried about switching from hopeless. I feel if hes scum and he just tryharded to get out of the noose if he doesn't keep posting and making reads that he may be a contender for a lynch in a future day. I would lynch either one before cake tho. I feel like cake is trying to understand the game and is striving to construct reads. On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum. On February 06 2014 05:27 jaybrundage wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Lonemeow Again if we wanna do some last minute vote switch shannigans on Hopeless I would totes be down. Doesn't mention me as a lynch choice (despite having cased me earlier!) -> decent lynch -> votes me. I have convinced myself he's scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: jaybrundage You know switching to Koshi gets you lynched right? | ||
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I don't know what to do with that claim. | ||
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I was so happy. | ||
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##vote lonemeow Your last posts, including the koshi switch don't make scum sense. You better be docta jay. | ||
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Believe in the doc. Silence Children. | ||
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DIE SCUMMER DIE ![]() | ||
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On February 06 2014 07:58 Koshi wrote: Vigi jayB. Started to look worse and worse but claiming doc looked so legit. It did. His vote set him to be lynched and he claimed at such a weird time. I got outplayed so hard. | ||
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On February 06 2014 07:59 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2014 07:59 Koshi wrote: On February 06 2014 07:59 jaybrundage wrote: Welp... I can explain.... Maybe Just give up your teammates and we lynch you last. But im not scum ! Can we please just disregard what jb says as wifom and move on? Two more to find. | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:14 Balla24 wrote: Here's what the votes tell us: Show nested quote + On February 06 2014 07:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: LoneMeow (4): Koshi, suki, JonnyLaw, Jaybrundage jaybrundage (4): Alakaslam, LoneMeow, Hopeless1der, Balla24, Koshi (1): cakemanofdoom cakemanofdoom (1): Oatsmaster, Cakemanofdoom could have hammered in either direction here. He must have had extreme vote awareness (which I didn't) to not do so if he is scum. That or he didn't feel comfortable hammering jay when he already took a stance on LM (calling his claim shit). Oatsmaster afk, alakaslam afk, sidesprang afk. There might be a scum within oats/sidesprang. Slam not so much, as he afk voted a scum and set a trap that caught a scum. Jonny is pretty much confirmed town how he pushed JB all day. I can't fault anybody voting on LM because JB's claim looked legit as fuck, and LM looked scummy as hell all day whereas JB just looked townie all day. With that said, out of Koshi/Suki I think Koshi is the scum. He didn't care at all about how the lynch was going but then suddenly when the claims start happening he's there to back JB's claim up. Sure it looked legit, but where were you the rest of the time? This looks bad: Show nested quote + On February 06 2014 05:42 Koshi wrote: On February 06 2014 05:34 jaybrundage wrote: On February 06 2014 05:32 Koshi wrote: On February 06 2014 05:22 jaybrundage wrote: hmm I think I would still prefer lynching hopeless cause I think he could be a strong scum player. Lonemeow is a decent lynch but lonemeow is a lurker and not difficult to lynch regardless of alignment. Having to lynch hopeless would be more of a chore and I think he still might be scum. This is such a bad post. Just wow. O.o is explaining my thought process a bad thing? It just reads incredible wrong. Red bells everywhere. Which set Jonny off back on his crusade to lynch jaybrundage. Then he didn't follow up AT ALL and just dissapeared. I'll look more into it but that's just my initial thought. Hopeless1der is looking good too. This is more like cakeman, but in this case he actually voted for JB. If he's scum, he must have had MASSIVE voting awareness to risk voting his scummate like this. Moreso than cake, who wasn't risking his scummates life. Oh and I think it goes without saying that we 100% ignore everything JB says from now on. Koshi's post gave me hope he'd lynch Jay and never switched. I have my candidate for d3 lynch. I'll make a case before the night ends. | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Guys, I've made a horrible mistake. When I rerolled the blue roles, I forgot to inform Jay that he had been rerolled to town. Consider this a modconfirm that he is in fact town. If you believe the integrity of this game has been too heavily compromised, please send me a PM. If there is a bigger demand for a restart (in which alignments would also be rerolled of course), I will restart the game instead. If not, the game will continue with Jay as an Innocent Child. Please do NOT provide feedback on this in the thread. Use PM's. You mean rerolled to VT? | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:30 jaybrundage wrote: Nice Balla we totes had Hopeless1der. And I also wanted to switch to Koshi from Lonemeow. I DONT SUCK :D I do. I really felt like you were playing godlike scum and I caught you being clever. | ||
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