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VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 20:25 GMT
#1461
Sure thing mord I will consolidate a case against round tonight.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 20:27 GMT
#1462
On February 20 2014 05:16 Mordanis wrote:
Hey vivax, could you clearly describe why you think Round is scum? From what I can tell it's because his play isn't protown. I'm not entirely sure what your read is based on, and I really don't feel like reading through several pages of the two of you bickering.


Tell me, don't you find it curious that Mocsta posts a case on you while he was trying to get a lynch through?A case you never responded to. But post-lynch you don't seem to matter to him and he starts pushing mattchew after rayn spent some time heating the fire under sidesprang.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441596&currentpage=47#929

Did you even read his posts?
Kush and Vivax
Mordanis
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States893 Posts
February 19 2014 20:42 GMT
#1463
On February 19 2014 12:11 Mordanis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 11:49 roundabound wrote:
Grack

Do u think a townie would ignore discussing my case when doing a thread summary?

~moc

For your reply you so desperately want:
I've already said that I don't terribly mind being lynched early. I'd much rather get as much solid analysis as possible out and get out early so others can view my analysis without the nagging doubt of alignment than spend all my time convincing everyone I'm super duper confirmed town. With that in mind, should I spend the little time I have defending myself against a full-filter case or look at other people? Without spending too much time on this, I'd say that your observations were pretty accurate, that I'm playing a really shitty game. So really the only way I can convince you I'm not scum is to play better mafia. Better use of time + only way to argue against your case = the way I go.

Already discussed this
I love the smell of napalm in the morning... it smells like... victory. -_^ Favorite SC2 match ->Liquid`HerO vs. SlayerS CranK g.1 @MLG Summer Championship
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 20:49 GMT
#1464
On February 20 2014 05:42 Mordanis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 12:11 Mordanis wrote:
On February 19 2014 11:49 roundabound wrote:
Grack

Do u think a townie would ignore discussing my case when doing a thread summary?

~moc

For your reply you so desperately want:
I've already said that I don't terribly mind being lynched early. I'd much rather get as much solid analysis as possible out and get out early so others can view my analysis without the nagging doubt of alignment than spend all my time convincing everyone I'm super duper confirmed town. With that in mind, should I spend the little time I have defending myself against a full-filter case or look at other people? Without spending too much time on this, I'd say that your observations were pretty accurate, that I'm playing a really shitty game. So really the only way I can convince you I'm not scum is to play better mafia. Better use of time + only way to argue against your case = the way I go.

Already discussed this


And the fact that he dropped you so quickly?
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 20:50 GMT
#1465
Besides, saying you're alright with being lynched is quite weird. Would you agree with me on voting for yourself on the spot cause we still have no agreement on who else to lynch?
Kush and Vivax
Mordanis
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States893 Posts
February 19 2014 20:56 GMT
#1466
No, because there are solid cases going around. Also, I misunderstood your point. Yeah, I did find that weird, but the fact that the other head of the hydra had seemed to have a town read on me kind of threw me off.
I love the smell of napalm in the morning... it smells like... victory. -_^ Favorite SC2 match ->Liquid`HerO vs. SlayerS CranK g.1 @MLG Summer Championship
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 21:04 GMT
#1467
lol wassup vivax. i solved the game for us. grack/bum/round final answer.


TRUE CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME
Think back to before mocsta's first scumclaim.
There is a shit ton of drama going on in the scumqt. Rayn is afk for days and mocsta feels like he is stuck playing a game he didn't even want to play. He thought hydraing with rayn was going to be less work. But here he is,a one headed hydra, rolling scum ONCE AGAIN.
THE SCUMCLAIM WAS REAL.
Mocsta was done playing. That explains Bum's response, which otherwise would make no sense. Bum is fucking pissed. He is somehow CERTAIN mocsta is serious, and at least wants to get some towncred for it. That's why he acts way more certain that the claim is not a joke than he should have been.
Mocsta comes around and he unscumclaims.

Why was Bum so sure that mocsta wasn't joking?
Why was Bum so angry that scum scumclaimed?
Why did Bum mysteriously drop the read he was SO certain of?

On February 16 2014 18:16 bumatlarge wrote:
You realize how ban worthy this is regardless of their alignment? You are able to force yourself to get lynched in any game at anytime with scum claiming, and barring some power, it's almost always bad for your side. He's not joking, he may be being a defeatist and a drama queen, but that justifies nothing.

Is he waiting to post something game changing when he hits 6 votes? You think "we've figured out the scum team, and the only way to prove it is to get lynched right now!", which no one can be that sure, sounds like a reasonable thing to do? You think mocsta/Rayn have already dubbed the town as hopeless in a joint agreement, and have decided that they need to go against the entire spirit of the game to show us how dumb we are?

Stop insulting yourself and us by thinking this is rational. This is condescending and revolting no matter what these two think they are doing. They are going to get lynched, but if at least one of them doesn't want to face TL mafia exile, which they very well might, they need to come back, apologize, and play the rest of the game out as best as they can.

I'm not having this shit.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 21:11 GMT
#1468
I'd be a little cautious with the final answer, I'm happy if I can find the first scum in this mess.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 21:21 GMT
#1469
look in our qt
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 21:39 GMT
#1470
On February 20 2014 05:16 Mordanis wrote:
Hey vivax, could you clearly describe why you think Round is scum? From what I can tell it's because his play isn't protown. I'm not entirely sure what your read is based on, and I really don't feel like reading through several pages of the two of you bickering.


In a nutshell, it's cause mocsta threw his vote around on anything he could find, displaying carelessness about the lynchs success (and about who is really scum), while Rayn didn't pursue sidesprang with his usual stubbornnes during all of this.

I would expect them to be more tryhard as town, and not fakeclaim for funzies when it only helps scum, nice bunch of wifom he created there.

Roundabound voted like crazy

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 17 2014 23:21 Ange777 wrote:
FINAL VOTE COUNT:

thrawn2112 (0): IAmRobik
VIVAX420 (0): thrawn2112, Grackaroni, ShiaoPi
IAmRobik (0): roundabound
DoNotPanic! (0): roundabound
Grackaroni (1): IAmRobik, JarJarDrinks
sidesprang (2): roundabound, VIVAX420, Grackaroni, roundabound, JarJarDrinks
ShiaoPi (7): bumatlarge, VIVAX420, Mattchew, roundabound, sidesprang, thrawn2112, VIVAX420, Mattchew, bumatlarge, thrawn2112, sidesprang, gumshoe, roundabound
QuantumPope (1): ShiaoPi, sidesprang
roundabound (0): roundabound,sidesprang, Mattchew, bumatlarge, gumshoe
bumatlarge (0): roundabound
Mordanis (0): roundabound, thrawn2112



ShiaoPi, the Progamer has been lynched.
+ Show Spoiler +
Progamer (Vanilla Townie): You're one of the best players of your era. You've fought your way here, to the finals of the GOM Special League Season II! Your favorite things are Farming and long walks on the beach. You are a VT. Find and destroy the cheesers.




It is now Night 1. You have until Tuesday, Feb 18 2:21pm GMT (GMT+00:00) to send your nightactions to the host and all co-hosts! You may post during night.


And this is how he explains his sophisticated scumhunting strategy.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 16 2014 13:14 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 13:12 VIVAX420 wrote:
and mocsta wtf you dont wan tto lynch shiaopi anymore?

I'm bored and over this game.

Rayn hasnt been in the qt for over 24hrs, and the thread is going no where.

I cant force people to post; yet now we are all trying to hold hands in a circle singing kum-bay-yah.

I am scum claiming. Please lynch us.

~moc


On February 16 2014 22:48 roundabound wrote:
So im bored and feel like scum claiming again as you do
Hi Bum !

Whats the best way to do this you say?
Make a meaningless fluff post about the threads last posts in order of time stamps, most recent @ top.





8 page filter
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 21:44 roundabound wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2014 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Day 1

Its almost 4 days since day1 started.

just lynch someone already.


~moc


6 page filter
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On February 16 2014 20:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again?


4 page filter
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On February 16 2014 19:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
kush can you explain the shiaopi meta stuff from earlier


6 page filter
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 19:38 IAmRobik wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 16 2014 19:15 VIVAX420 wrote:
gumshoe actually looks pretty town from that megapost.

-extended reasoning tryring to understand mocsta's scumclaim.
-his reads have good reasons behind them

no
no
no
no
no
no
no

disagree with every single letter and symbol that you made in that post, down to the 2 "-"s
Instead of basing his reads on what has happened so far, he just uses "roundabound is scum" to create reads on every other player. WTF? That's not town. That's mafia jumping on something and building fake reads based off of incorrect information.


2 page filter
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 18:59 sidesprang wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I dont see why this makes bum scum, please elaborate.


2 page filter - subbed in
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On February 16 2014 18:53 bumatlarge wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Regardless of how this ends, it's going to end up with you looking like a jackass and an idiot. Good night.


1 page filter - late bloomer
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 17:33 gumshoe wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 16 2014 17:26 VIVAX420 wrote:
it feels like he's fake claiming scum.

If he's doing that, then I'm sicing geript after him.


1 page filter
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 14 2014 13:34 VIVAX420 wrote:
thrawn timeline:
lurk scumstyle
start tryharding because vivax caught him
continue to lurk when the pressure goes down

As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not?


2 page filter
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 15:43 Mattchew wrote:
yeah is this a joke?


4 page filter
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 11:12 Grackaroni wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 16 2014 11:04 bumatlarge wrote:
ONLY I GET TO HAMMER.

ME.

NOT YOU.

We should join forces for a more surprising hammer/


1 page filter
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 01:55 ShiaoPi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
if you guys really lynch me based on this stuff you are terrible :D
nobody even cares about my reads so looks like to you sillys d1 lynch is already decided. Why should I care about writing stuff out if you ignore it anyway. btw vivax gets moar scum points for rolefishing


2 page filter
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 04:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Vivax, it really seems like you're trying to get me to move my vote off of Grack and onto Shiao. All I said about Shiao was I'd be fine lynching a lurker.

What do you think of grack?


1 page filter
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 04:42 QuantumPope wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2014 23:23 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn are there any sepecific posts about Vivax/kush you are interested in knowing who posted what?

Mattchew any reason why you have STILL not answered my questions i asked at the start of the game?

Rob, you said you, Mattchew and QP have played a lot together correct? You and Mattchew seem to be having townreads on each other and on QP. Why do you think QP does not have a townread on either of you two? Is that normal?

~rayn

I think I've played less than a handful of games with QP. Only one memorable games where he mislynched me at f3 when both of us were town. I don't remember any other games that we've played. I wouldn't say that I'm able to read him well. In fact, if not for some stuff I picked up from his first post, I would not be clearing him and would say he's about as null a read as any others in here that I've never played with.


I just got to work (in 8 inches of snow). No one is here, so I'm gonna take the opportunity to reread d1 so far.


Ugh never forget lol.

On [February 13 2014 11:57 roundabound wrote:
@QP
There is a knowledge triangle between yourself, Mattchew and IAR.

Substantiated by:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 07:37 QuantumPope wrote:
If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment.


Note their opinions of you:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:
I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it.
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 05:40 Mattchew wrote:
quantum probably town too


Did you expect both of these players to "town read" you with so little analysis?
Further,
Mattchew is my achilles heel.
What is the secret to reading him?

~moc


I could see that little banter I had with Mattchew is something we both like doing. It could be looked at as town but strange to me that he would trust me so willingly after a few posts. As for IAmRobik I feel that he is able to read me pretty well. I've been pretty lackluster in this thread but it's better to have an early read on me than no read at all. Now to our thrilling conclusion.

On February 14 2014 01:32 Mattchew wrote:
rayn, my town read on QP was hastey and unwarrented. I do not have a read on him currently


Almost as hasty and unwarranted as this post. I find it strange that both of them early on give "town reads" on me and then suddenly retract when absolutely no information was added other than my silence. Really strange reactions from both of them.



No conclusions cos im a baller like that

~moc


On February 16 2014 23:45 roundabound wrote:
Seriously this game is really boring atm. sidesprang is saying nothing. gumshoe made a trainwreck post. QP disappearead, so did Mordanis. ShiaoPi says nothing. Grackaroni says nothing. Mattchew says nothing.

There is no reason to repreatedly try to make those people post, and they can't all be mafia. *sigh*
Also i havn't been able to talk with Mocsta for the last 2 days because we're never online at the same time.
Just lynch one of those people. They will just continue to say nothing.

~rayn


On February 17 2014 01:23 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 01:20 gumshoe wrote:
Rayn, can you speak for your lesser half? Do you have any reasonable explanation for why he would claim?

He was bored. What does it matter?

~rayn


On February 19 2014 11:40 roundabound wrote:
I told Mocsta i was okay with ShiaoPi lynch because he refused to play and then i was not online any more. I was really bored because the game got stalled like ~30 hours before the lynch and didn't give a shit.

Vivax go read LXIV and how i pushed my lynch when people disagreed with it. I don't honeslty care anymore if people want to be fucking stupid and not read properly. I am not going to repeat my cases. In LXIV i voted bumatlarge every single fucking day after D1 after making a solid case on him, and got shot down every single fucking day. I just don't give a fuck if people don't want to listen..

Go read my case on sidesprang from D1, or go read Mocsta's case on Mordanis from N1. Those are the lynches we are supporting atm besides Mattchew, i am not going to repeat myself. I don't care how it looks, it's your fault if you don't read properly or disagree.

~rayn


On February 19 2014 12:59 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 12:23 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 19 2014 11:47 roundabound wrote:
Vivax

I have noticed this game you refuse to take a firm position on anything.

Instead you put out some musings and let others carry the work load for you

This pattern is repeating again.



I'm hesitant to lynching when there are so many unknown alignments. Kush put the vote after I unvoted. Thrawn pretty much knew how to play IML. Lengthen the days, increase the time town has. You prefer to opt for quick lynches and get frustrated with no occurring lynches even when there are so many options for people being scum.

Besides, you might want to get to the point with your made observations. Do you suspect me of being scum or is this just something you wrote as offensive defense.

~V

This is a very poor ideology to hide behind and justify actions.

Lengthened days are only worthwhile if meaningful contributions are being made. Cases discussed, votes analysed. Despite rayn and I best attempts to generate and foster this type of discussion, the thread transpired into a lurk fest.

There is zero benefit to extending day 1 in particular with this type of environment. Everyone gets bored including die hard townies and vote analysis becomes excruciatingly difficult when the whole game doesn't care anymore. The above reads to me that you were content with nothing moving and if scum I don't blame you when town commonly thought you were town.....

And I note the irony of your point about getting to the point. Tell me vivax. Were you planning conclude your own observation?? I.e. cross reference the shiaopi votes and my claim finding yourself, or do you expect others to do the leg work for you?


~moc

Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 21:52 GMT
#1471
I know round is scum because the reasons why they are voting people are generic, and there is no detailed thought behind them
. Do you remember what it's like to play with town rayn? this aint that.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 21:54 GMT
#1472
and he claimed scum and peaced out under prssure.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 21:55 GMT
#1473
But actually, he's not the one I'd lynch today. But for now I don't trust the hydra in choosing a lynch given the displayed attitude.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 22:00 GMT
#1474
vivax if we die tonight he's never going to get lynched
Kush and Vivax
Mordanis
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States893 Posts
February 19 2014 22:14 GMT
#1475
On February 20 2014 06:55 VIVAX420 wrote:
But actually, he's not the one I'd lynch today. But for now I don't trust the hydra in choosing a lynch given the displayed attitude.

So who would you lynch today if you had your druthers
I love the smell of napalm in the morning... it smells like... victory. -_^ Favorite SC2 match ->Liquid`HerO vs. SlayerS CranK g.1 @MLG Summer Championship
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 22:17 GMT
#1476
On February 20 2014 07:14 Mordanis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 06:55 VIVAX420 wrote:
But actually, he's not the one I'd lynch today. But for now I don't trust the hydra in choosing a lynch given the displayed attitude.

So who would you lynch today if you had your druthers


Gotta decide between sidesprang and a few others.But as it should suggest mostly sidesprang. His wagon wasn't as easily pushed as Shiao's, during D1, so I'll take a second look at things.

Sitll don't wanna decide cause I need to dive some more.
Kush and Vivax
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
February 19 2014 22:20 GMT
#1477
On February 20 2014 07:17 VIVAX420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 07:14 Mordanis wrote:
On February 20 2014 06:55 VIVAX420 wrote:
But actually, he's not the one I'd lynch today. But for now I don't trust the hydra in choosing a lynch given the displayed attitude.

So who would you lynch today if you had your druthers


Gotta decide between sidesprang and a few others.But as it should suggest mostly sidesprang. His wagon wasn't as easily pushed as Shiao's, during D1, so I'll take a second look at things.

Sitll don't wanna decide cause I need to dive some more.

That doesn't really line up well at all with Kushm4sta's scum team. You guys have only one vote.

Important question, who is better at this game?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
February 19 2014 22:21 GMT
#1478
Please feel free to argue it out in thread and not in QT.
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 22:23 GMT
#1479
grack how's all that drama in the scum qt?
Kush and Vivax
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
February 19 2014 22:27 GMT
#1480
On February 20 2014 07:23 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack how's all that drama in the scum qt?

Bummers and Rayn disappeared. Mocsta is bitching about how good you are at catching him.
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