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You don't have any reasons for Rayn being scum. You just say his cases are lacking - and no shit they are lacking there isn't anything happening in the thread.
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On February 20 2014 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 02:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
You don't care if round is scum? Ok
@rob can you quote the posts from grack you are finding townie? I don't care if he is scum right now because the only case Rayn will get enough votes to be lynched right now is if he is town.
This way of thinking about who to lynch is inherently scummy.
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On February 20 2014 02:39 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:On February 20 2014 02:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
You don't care if round is scum? Ok
@rob can you quote the posts from grack you are finding townie? I don't care if he is scum right now because the only case Rayn will get enough votes to be lynched right now is if he is town. This way of thinking about who to lynch is inherently scummy.
Nah you're just bad.
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None of those posts include townie thoughts. They are not pro town. No reason why they would make grack town.
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I will let my recent track record, especially concerning Mocstas, speak for itself.
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I feel like I've made it pretty simple for you. There is no circumstance that Rayn will be lynched as scum right now for having lacking cases by this thread. It is really anti-productive of you to focus your attention towards Rayn right now, and you should focus on either finding which of the players town is scum that town can actually lynch or posting some half-decent reasoning for Rayn being scum.
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Oh well I've posted the seal so GTFO.
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I would never violate the sanctity of the Coagulation Seal.
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On February 20 2014 02:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I feel like I've made it pretty simple for you. There is no circumstance that Rayn will be lynched as scum right now for having lacking cases by this thread. It is really anti-productive of you to focus your attention towards Rayn right now, and you should focus on either finding which of the players town is scum that town can actually lynch or posting some half-decent reasoning for Rayn being scum.
what?
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I think I wrote in this town and then deleted.
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If you are town there's no reason for you to post the seal. You said you were going to try hard this game.
Round can be lynched today. We disagree on that. But even if you disagree with me, that's no reason to try to silence me.
You have expressed that you think round might be scum. Would you vote him today? Because I think bum would.
Also, why not just say YOU wouldn't vote him today. The way you are approaching this, focusing on the impossibility, is a way to shit on the scum read without taking responsibility for doing the shitting.
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On February 20 2014 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 12:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 12:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:09 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him. I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on. Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters? You didn't question his posts you called him suspicious. And then when town accepted Robik as town you came back and accused Rayn of being scum for calling town-Robik scum. It has nothing to do with them being active; I question your mindset. It's highly unusual to suspect someone for sharing a thought process you had previously subscribed to. I didn't say he was suspicious. I said I was suspicious of him. That may seem like semantics but I never called him scum or made any type of push.Town accepted him as town because of his posting. The same reason I did. And then afterwards I went back and didn't like what I saw from rayn based on that. I think that's a perfectly natural progression. I don't think it's unusual to suspect someone for "thinking" how you previously thought yourself when you were actually wrong. If you want to know why I changed my vote it was because this was such a bad response to what I called him out on. bad point on me moving my vote is bad and to say that is better than anything you've read in thread surprises me. And yet you didnt mention this response that was supposedly so terrible that you had no choice but to switch off the person who had one of the strongest cases you've seen in several games?
Why would you not point out that this is why ur voting for me to the rest of the town so they can see how scummy I am?
You're trying to rewrite history after the fact.
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On February 20 2014 02:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
If you are town there's no reason for you to post the seal. You said you were going to try hard this game.
Round can be lynched today. We disagree on that. But even if you disagree with me, that's no reason to try to silence me.
You have expressed that you think round might be scum. Would you vote him today? Because I think bum would.
Also, why not just say YOU wouldn't vote him today. The way you are approaching this, focusing on the impossibility, is a way to shit on the scum read without taking responsibility for doing the shitting.
Yeah but I had just gotten the seal from Coag so of course I posted it.
I will not vote for Rayn over Matt/jjd. I don't know whether Rayn is town or scum - I do know that pushing him right now is a dumb idea.
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On February 20 2014 02:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 12:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 12:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:09 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him. I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on. Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters? You didn't question his posts you called him suspicious. And then when town accepted Robik as town you came back and accused Rayn of being scum for calling town-Robik scum. It has nothing to do with them being active; I question your mindset. It's highly unusual to suspect someone for sharing a thought process you had previously subscribed to. I didn't say he was suspicious. I said I was suspicious of him. That may seem like semantics but I never called him scum or made any type of push.Town accepted him as town because of his posting. The same reason I did. And then afterwards I went back and didn't like what I saw from rayn based on that. I think that's a perfectly natural progression. I don't think it's unusual to suspect someone for "thinking" how you previously thought yourself when you were actually wrong. If you want to know why I changed my vote it was because this was such a bad response to what I called him out on. bad point on me moving my vote is bad and to say that is better than anything you've read in thread surprises me. And yet you didnt mention this response that was supposedly so terrible that you had no choice but to switch off the person who had one of the strongest cases you've seen in several games? Why would you not point out that this is why ur voting for me to the rest of the town so they can see how scummy I am? You're trying to rewrite history after the fact.
On February 19 2014 12:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 12:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 12:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:09 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him. I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on. Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters? You didn't question his posts you called him suspicious. And then when town accepted Robik as town you came back and accused Rayn of being scum for calling town-Robik scum. It has nothing to do with them being active; I question your mindset. It's highly unusual to suspect someone for sharing a thought process you had previously subscribed to. I didn't say he was suspicious. I said I was suspicious of him. That may seem like semantics but I never called him scum or made any type of push. Town accepted him as town because of his posting. The same reason I did. And then afterwards I went back and didn't like what I saw from rayn based on that. I think that's a perfectly natural progression. I don't think it's unusual to suspect someone for "thinking" how you previously thought yourself when you were actually wrong. I don't think it's natural - If I were to start posting a lot of content now do you think others should view you with suspicion for attacking my earlier posts? Even if you no longer felt Robik was scummy because he continued posting, that doesn't mean Rayn wasn't originally attacking something you felt was scummy (hence Rayn's posts should be pro-town, and not be described as him looking for something to jump on) Your semantics defense is nonsense, and to be perfectly honest it seemed as if it took you a while to come up with that nonsense.
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And yeah I felt like switching because your response was that bad.
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I don't know how you rationalize that being better. Now it's ok to attack Rayn for doing the same thing as you because you were suspicious of him but didn't try to push him/call him scum.
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The "alliances" that are forming are throwing me off so hard.
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@iam, @everyone
I have an excellent track record reading mocsta lately. In the last two games I knew he was scum very early, before anyone else, and never changed my mind. I was 100% certain. And I was right. My read on mocsta should not be taken lightly.
Round was under pressure by me and vivax. Vivax was asking him very good questions I thought. HE FAKE CLAIMED SCUM AND PEACED OUT. He refused to answer to the pressure, citing frustration, which in that circumstance seems to me completely unrealistic and artificial.
How round reacted to that pressure is objectively anti town and scummy.
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