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Rayn,
Based off of the quoted interaction and what I remember from JJD/Sidesprang, I believe there is a non-0 chance that they are mafia together.
This is really easy to say to a mafia partner in thread:
@JJD, you were pretty much on me whole last game aswell. Was town there, think you should adjust the way you are reading me.
It's not angry or anything. It's just blah. I'm town. When you were calling me scum earlier, I was genuinely upset. I was getting irate, and I believe that translated into my posts. Sidesprang is not showing that sort of emotion. I'm not saying that every player has to get angry or show emotion when playing, but I think it's only natural that the tone of your post would reflect your emotional state.
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On February 15 2014 02:01 IAmRobik wrote:Rayn, Based off of the quoted interaction and what I remember from JJD/Sidesprang, I believe there is a non-0 chance that they are mafia together. This is really easy to say to a mafia partner in thread: Show nested quote +@JJD, you were pretty much on me whole last game aswell. Was town there, think you should adjust the way you are reading me. It's not angry or anything. It's just blah. I'm town. When you were calling me scum earlier, I was genuinely upset. I was getting irate, and I believe that translated into my posts. Sidesprang is not showing that sort of emotion. I'm not saying that every player has to get angry or show emotion when playing, but I think it's only natural that the tone of your post would reflect your emotional state.
I don't really get what you are rtying to say here? Could you clarify?
~rayn
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I am saying that I'm not sold that the interaction between sidespring and JJD can't be M/M.
I'm also saying that an individuals tone changes when they are town and they are called mafia. I'm not saying this ALWAYS happens, but from personal experience, I think that sidesprang's post would show a little more attitude and fervor if he was town and defending himself against someone calling him mafia for what he thinks is a shitty reason.
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On February 15 2014 02:07 IAmRobik wrote:
I am saying that I'm not sold that the interaction between sidespring and JJD can't be M/M.
I'm also saying that an individuals tone changes when they are town and they are called mafia. I'm not saying this ALWAYS happens, but from personal experience, I think that sidesprang's post would show a little more attitude and fervor if he was town and defending himself against someone calling him mafia for what he thinks is a shitty reason.
I can actually get behind this reasoning. He doesn't sound at all annoyed that people are considering mislynching him. His passive reaction to me popping in the thread to vote him and fuck off was rather strange.
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On February 15 2014 02:07 IAmRobik wrote:
I am saying that I'm not sold that the interaction between sidespring and JJD can't be M/M.
I'm also saying that an individuals tone changes when they are town and they are called mafia. I'm not saying this ALWAYS happens, but from personal experience, I think that sidesprang's post would show a little more attitude and fervor if he was town and defending himself against someone calling him mafia for what he thinks is a shitty reason.
I don't look at connections between players before we have a flipped mafia because as town you can't base someone's alignment based on "scum/scum interactions" if you don't know the other player's alignment. Yes, they could both be mafia, but sidesprang's defense is really bad regardless of JJD's alignment because it does not address the suspicion it self, it's basically appealing to something irrelevant as it basically says "you read me wrong last game therefore you should not trust on your read in this game". That's horrible.
If sidesprang flips mafia then we look into other people's interactions with him and go from there. That's how i see it. I've seen many times people do these connection cases that are terrible, like in one of the last games there was a dude who was obviously mafia and people did not lynch him before LYLO because some other mafia dude "cleared him as town". Good or even decent scumplayers know how to play with people's minds like that and in general those kinda assumptions are not good.
~rayn
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If there is something scummy in this interaction between sidesprang and JJD based on sidesprang's post that he was called out for from JJD's side, it's the fact that he does not call this bullshit defense out and goes after Grack.
Generally JJD has, as Mocsta pointed out already, just +1'd other people's thoughts and gone after multiple people based on what other guys have said despite not bringing those things up before himself.
~rayn
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So Grack, about that case?
~rayn
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On February 15 2014 02:37 roundabound wrote:
So Grack, about that case?
~rayn
Oh I'm not writing any specific case. That's just my general feeling.
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I think that I'd rather lynch Sidesprang at this point now anyway.
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On February 15 2014 02:38 Grackaroni wrote:Oh I'm not writing any specific case. That's just my general feeling.
Okay then i doubt you can get him lynched today. Do you think he is a realistic lynch candidate without a case? Who's your pick for second scum?
~rayn
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On February 15 2014 02:24 roundabound wrote:
If there is something scummy in this interaction between sidesprang and JJD based on sidesprang's post that he was called out for from JJD's side, it's the fact that he does not call this bullshit defense out and goes after Grack. I guess. I mean yeah, it is shitty reasoning, but it is true so I thought that maybe he's right and I should back off for the time being. Especially since he was blue I believe. I'm gonna reread him in that game and see what exactly I thought was scummy.
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On February 15 2014 02:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 02:24 roundabound wrote:
If there is something scummy in this interaction between sidesprang and JJD based on sidesprang's post that he was called out for from JJD's side, it's the fact that he does not call this bullshit defense out and goes after Grack. I guess. I mean yeah, it is shitty reasoning, but it is true so I thought that maybe he's right and I should back off for the time being. Especially since he was blue I believe. I'm gonna reread him in that game and see what exactly I thought was scummy.
Of course it's true lol. Do you think it's a legit reason for you to not find his suspicious this game though?
~rayn
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Okay that post is really terrible JJD. Why the fuck would you read THAT game? What does it have to do with the game we are playing here?
~rayn
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On February 15 2014 02:48 roundabound wrote:
Okay that post is really terrible JJD. Why the fuck would you read THAT game? What does it have to do with the game we are playing here?
~rayn
because I obviously thought he looked scummy for a reason in that game. If the reasons are the same then there's a chance I'm wrong here too.
If you're asking me what I think of him this game w/o taking the other game into account then I'd say that I think he's scummy. But I think it'd be dumb to not take the other game into account.
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On February 14 2014 10:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 10:42 roundabound wrote:On February 14 2014 10:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 14 2014 09:45 roundabound wrote:
But, I dont get how you can agree with so many reads, yet, not cast a vote; or progress any of these reads further.
Because the people I'm suspicious of haven't been posting. There's only so much I can do w/ the posts so far. @ this point, I think we should vote off the scummiest looking lurker. Who would that be if we lunches right now? ~moc DNP would be fine w/ me. ShiaoPi also. Still don't like sidespring who's kinda lurking but he's right that I attacked him a bunch in the last game and we were both town so I'm gonna back off a bit. I'd rather give people more of a chance to post though before we go ahead and lynch them.
So just to make sure I got this right, you're going to go read the previous game where you thought he was scummy, but he was in fact town to see if:
1) he talked about game setup in that game
2) if he lurked
cause filtering your posts those are the only two things you called him out for. In fact, of your 23ish posts, only 2-3 have been about him.
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On February 15 2014 02:57 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 10:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 14 2014 10:42 roundabound wrote:On February 14 2014 10:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 14 2014 09:45 roundabound wrote:
But, I dont get how you can agree with so many reads, yet, not cast a vote; or progress any of these reads further.
Because the people I'm suspicious of haven't been posting. There's only so much I can do w/ the posts so far. @ this point, I think we should vote off the scummiest looking lurker. Who would that be if we lunches right now? ~moc DNP would be fine w/ me. ShiaoPi also. Still don't like sidespring who's kinda lurking but he's right that I attacked him a bunch in the last game and we were both town so I'm gonna back off a bit. I'd rather give people more of a chance to post though before we go ahead and lynch them. So just to make sure I got this right, you're going to go read the previous game where you thought he was scummy, but he was in fact town to see if: 1) he talked about game setup in that game 2) if he lurked cause filtering your posts those are the only two things you called him out for. In fact, of your 23ish posts, only 2-3 have been about him.
When JJD answers this and goes through the last game remind me i need to talk about this more.
I think he is talking about Titanic II game in case you are wondering.
Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388
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EBWOP last post from
~rayn
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Wow...posting quantity/quality is night and day between that game and this game.
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