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On February 19 2014 11:50 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 11:49 roundabound wrote:On February 19 2014 11:48 roundabound wrote:On February 19 2014 11:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
Explanation: Shiao in a position to be lynched, Rayn unwilling to defend him, but also unwilling to let loose of SS to keep up the scumhunting picture. Hence, post cases against his target without discussing the main lynch candidate.
This is fucking crap because i was not here and Mocsta was so you can't even know what i would have or would not have done. I just told you, no i would have not defended him because he was scummy as fuck. But this comment from you is really shitty and twisting what really happened to look like something else. I am disappointed Vivax. ~rayn +1 ~moc Mocsta confirmed town. ~rayn
TOWN CIRCLE
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I am totally here and not busy or anything.
Hydras dont have to sign shit, im kinda surprised they were.
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On February 20 2014 10:47 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:26 bumatlarge wrote:
I am totally here and not busy or anything.
Hydras dont have to sign shit, im kinda surprised they were. Of all the fucking things you felt the need to comment on coming back it's this!? Ok bum, hydras don't have to sign and can feel free to get offended when they're treated as an individual, no problem, your super duper right. Now who the fuck is scum? Specifically what do you think about Matt, mordanis and jar jar.
MEGASALT
mordanis is chill, other two not so much. What about the sprangside? I feel good about him being scum. I don't feel like putting more effort into my reads, so I'm not going to. Sorry!
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Hey man, I only replaced in because people needed me to. You can yell at me all you want.
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On February 20 2014 12:04 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 06:04 VIVAX420 wrote:lol wassup vivax. i solved the game for us. grack/bum/round final answer. TRUE CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME Think back to before mocsta's first scumclaim. There is a shit ton of drama going on in the scumqt. Rayn is afk for days and mocsta feels like he is stuck playing a game he didn't even want to play. He thought hydraing with rayn was going to be less work. But here he is,a one headed hydra, rolling scum ONCE AGAIN. THE SCUMCLAIM WAS REAL. Mocsta was done playing. That explains Bum's response, which otherwise would make no sense. Bum is fucking pissed. He is somehow CERTAIN mocsta is serious, and at least wants to get some towncred for it. That's why he acts way more certain that the claim is not a joke than he should have been. Mocsta comes around and he unscumclaims. Why was Bum so sure that mocsta wasn't joking? Why was Bum so angry that scum scumclaimed? Why did Bum mysteriously drop the read he was SO certain of? On February 16 2014 18:16 bumatlarge wrote:
You realize how ban worthy this is regardless of their alignment? You are able to force yourself to get lynched in any game at anytime with scum claiming, and barring some power, it's almost always bad for your side. He's not joking, he may be being a defeatist and a drama queen, but that justifies nothing.
Is he waiting to post something game changing when he hits 6 votes? You think "we've figured out the scum team, and the only way to prove it is to get lynched right now!", which no one can be that sure, sounds like a reasonable thing to do? You think mocsta/Rayn have already dubbed the town as hopeless in a joint agreement, and have decided that they need to go against the entire spirit of the game to show us how dumb we are?
Stop insulting yourself and us by thinking this is rational. This is condescending and revolting no matter what these two think they are doing. They are going to get lynched, but if at least one of them doesn't want to face TL mafia exile, which they very well might, they need to come back, apologize, and play the rest of the game out as best as they can.
I'm not having this shit. bum am i right?
Well look at it this way. Would I really bring my emotion into the thread about another scumbuddy rather then privately? I also thinking in terms of teams when no scum has flipped is a bit too optimistic at this point. And if you are going to look at interactions, the ones between mocsta and myself are probably not a great place to start if our history as scumbuddies says anything.
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Oh, did Robotnik claim the other boxer? 
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OK!
Alright, I've determined that sidesprang is fairly transparent. I can explain why, but I'd rather have him post for me to analyze. I'm not the greatest at meta reads, but the 'nervous' post mattchew brought up was pretty typical of the [red]sidesprang/red] I have studied.
@SS: Please post the reads you have that you believe are relevant. If you are town, then you should have no problem withing being as transparent as possible towards me.
I think we should hold off on lynching mattchew based purely on bringing up that tidbit. But thats just me.
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Newb LI and Shadow Reboot
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On February 21 2014 06:47 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:
gumshoe, you were rb'd last night, yah?
that's one of the only reasons I don't want to lynch you.
as for bum...I explaining why i think he's town a couple pages back
if push comes to shove, i'll vote mattchew. I don't like the speed at which he got pressured this game especially with the votes d2. We'll see though. I'm down for whatever at this point as long as it's not vivax420, roundabound, me, gumshoe, bum, or grack (i think that's my town circle at the moment) I was rbed yes, but aside from that why do you want to lynch me? I think my arguments out before I post them, I dont get in insult wars with other townies, I go through filters thoroughly before I take a stance on someone and you can see all that in my history. I opt for quality over quantity and I've produced more with five posts than most people have with twenty. Which is pretty much how I've played as town in games past. I have stuck my neck out and presented unpopular cases not because I'm yolo red, but because I genuinely want to lynch scum. I have also played entirely transparent and have given town plenty to work with, both on those I consider scummy and myself, which is saying something considering that I didnt even know I was playing this game for two days. You've done just the same and then some, as a result I and several others have placed our faith in you. You dont have to listen to everything I say, but after I I've delivered to you Mattchews red razor mouse of doom, do have a little bit of that faith in me, given my existing contributions and upcoming accolades(matt slayer!) I dont deserve to have the whims of the trilaner be all that separates me from the noose.
This is absurd. "Sticking out your neck" for posting reads? And what the hell is an unpopular case? I've never heard of that before. In fact, I have not an inkling of what you are trying to say in that entire middle paragraph. Quality over quantity is content, not post length.
Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads".
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On February 21 2014 09:29 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:56 IAmRobik wrote:
gumshoe...your absence bothered me as well as the fact that I still think mattchew is town...regardless of his activity. I'll reiterate that I can be wrong here...but that's just my intuition. I'm totally down with Vivax420's plan of waiting until everyone gets modkilled. If we end up losing, I won't feel bad. If we get mafia modkilled, that would be awesome and we can read him and figure stuff out and move onto another suspect. If it ends up with 1 town modkilled, well at least we have more info and we don't have to waste a lynch on him and again, can move onto another suspect. How the tables turn. (Full Seriousness) I am nominating this post for "Worst Plan" Mafia 2014. I can not believe you are relying on gaming the host to win this game. BH rules are clear that if you dont want to post, dont post. QP got away with 5 days of not posting. You admit you are bored. What you are advocating now, is a plan to ensure that the rest of the game will be equally bored. Ridiculous.Pull ya finger out. ~moc
He's not actually serious I think.
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On February 21 2014 12:23 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 10:21 bumatlarge wrote:On February 21 2014 06:47 gumshoe wrote:On February 21 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:
gumshoe, you were rb'd last night, yah?
that's one of the only reasons I don't want to lynch you.
as for bum...I explaining why i think he's town a couple pages back
if push comes to shove, i'll vote mattchew. I don't like the speed at which he got pressured this game especially with the votes d2. We'll see though. I'm down for whatever at this point as long as it's not vivax420, roundabound, me, gumshoe, bum, or grack (i think that's my town circle at the moment) I was rbed yes, but aside from that why do you want to lynch me? I think my arguments out before I post them, I dont get in insult wars with other townies, I go through filters thoroughly before I take a stance on someone and you can see all that in my history. I opt for quality over quantity and I've produced more with five posts than most people have with twenty. Which is pretty much how I've played as town in games past. I have stuck my neck out and presented unpopular cases not because I'm yolo red, but because I genuinely want to lynch scum. I have also played entirely transparent and have given town plenty to work with, both on those I consider scummy and myself, which is saying something considering that I didnt even know I was playing this game for two days. You've done just the same and then some, as a result I and several others have placed our faith in you. You dont have to listen to everything I say, but after I I've delivered to you Mattchews red razor mouse of doom, do have a little bit of that faith in me, given my existing contributions and upcoming accolades(matt slayer!) I dont deserve to have the whims of the trilaner be all that separates me from the noose. This is absurd. "Sticking out your neck" for posting reads? And what the hell is an unpopular case? I've never heard of that before. In fact, I have not an inkling of what you are trying to say in that entire middle paragraph. Quality over quantity is content, not post length. Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads". Im pretty much betting everything on this Matt lynch, if it fails, I am almost entirely to blame and I expect my head to roll shortly after his. Thats called sticking your neck out, fortunately its not no going to fail, I am almost entirely sure Matts scum. Also whats an unpopular case? A case that is not widely held in esteem, prior to my initial case against him, nobody was attacking him. I took a risk going after someone that was not considered scum by town before I made my case. Which was a much more difficult avenue to pursue rather than continuously flip flopping on side sprang... and one I pursued only because thats exactly what I need to do as town to ensure we lynch scum. Also if you dont understand what I'm saying, sorry? I try my best to be transparent, but I've had scum write "I dont know what this guy is saying" as an argument against me before, so forgive me if I dont find your ignorance entirely sincere, I have known you to play dumb before.
Who cares whats going to happen to you. You took a risk in scum hunting? You certainly are if you are scum. No one has defended mattchew, so everything you said is really unnecessary if you are intent on him being mafia. Thanks for telling us your motives though. I also like how you are making up a lot of non-sense about me flip-flopping on SS. Please continue to make up non-sense if that is your thing.
As for why your scum. Show nested quote +Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads". The bolded is just not true, you do post, it's just those posts are worthless, your only job as town is to find scum and it is through reads and subsequent red flips you prove your towniness. You dont do that, you just defend yourself and offer half assed reads and when people call you out on that you scream "im just the replacement guys!" . After Mattchew flips red, I'll go into detail against you, but for now just stand back and watch your buddy get roasted, cause I'm really getting tired of your terrible scum play.
How about you go into detail now. You are prepared to insult my play, but I think that is ill-founded. I think my scum play is pretty adequate, and yours is transparent! And mattchew is probably scum by the nature of your case and how you hope it's going to make you look. For being scum you sure do shed light on all the wrong things.
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Those two you quoted are both calling him scummy. You probably should read them again.
You can be transparent scum.
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On February 21 2014 14:38 gumshoe wrote:
Yeah, I'm sorry Bum, that was pretty much the main reason I suspected you, I wont be voting for you this cycle period now. If you still wanna come after me, it's your call ( : I'm off to bed, gl all.
I'll think about it. I wanted to wait for Sidesprang, but I'm considering mattchew in the mean time.
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This game has gone downhill. just gonna vote mattchew
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At this point I wouldn't mind this game being solely for the purpose of testing Grack's seal. Let's not lynch him.
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Aw, oh well.
Was hoping sidesprang would come back, I think I could have town read him if he was active.
Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 16:38 roundabound wrote:
Don't ever change bum
I miss you constantly foiling me. That guy not posting anymore. I'm assuming this is mocsta NOT THAT I CARE OR ANYTHING Don't worry, I lied when I said I wasn't going to put effort into this game. I'm going to check some other games to gauge some playstyles. For starters, I'm going to look at sidesprang. Mattchew is pretty null, and if anyone has any of his old games that contrast or relate to this game, I would appreciate that. I read Round's post: + Show Spoiler +On February 13 2014 08:33 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:20 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote:
I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn Each one of his posts is fabricated and convoluted. You're absolutely out of your mind if you think he's got the best posts in this thread. The points he asks about are valid and certainly amongst the most interesting things in thread. Let's talk about Mattchew: This is what you say about him: Show nested quote +Mattchew would have fluffed it up hardcore and not given any town reads in my opinion if he was scum. Here's what Mattchew has done in his last couple of scumgames at his first posts: TL Mafia LVII; + Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
fakeclaimed. I Cant Believe its not Themed Mini Mafia:+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 22:43 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
Matt, while you're here - what do you make of gonzaw? He seems to be making stuff out of nothing, but it could just be provoking conversation.
I guess normally at the start of day 1 he has setup shit to ramble on about, which he does not here. he is trying really really hard, and once again he is explaining his entire thought process. I dont think i have ever seen him as scum, but this is the exactly how he plays as town First he talks about gonzaw and in his ~4th post is calling him town. I also checked a couple of his towngames and he does not call anyone town (or scum for whatever reasons) early on. So he is perfectly capable of opening up a game like he did as mafia and your meta read is not accurate, because it does not really line up with any of his games, scum or town. If you want to argue about this bring some evidence from some other games and show people why your read on him is what it is. Anyone can call anyone town because it's the easiest thing for mafia to do, especially if the other person is town because you know they are town so you are not lying and not "making stuff up". You have absolutely no reasons to call Mattchew (or anyone) town at this point of the game unless you bring up proper evidence to back your read up. ~rayn -but I'm not sure if these are alignment comparisons Per Se. They are just pointing out mattchews potential. I don't think he should be our lynch today.
Game Comparison: sidesprangI'm going to take sidesprang's last two games of differing alignment and see if I can grasp his playstyle. All I really know is most games he was relatively quieter and knew his way around a blue role. Newbie LI: sidesprang-Thoroughly responds when asked about something. Anytime someone questions one of his posts he gives pretty detailed responses on what his process was. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 03:27 sidesprang wrote:
You are reading that post wrong suki.
Firstly I did not try to give myself an excuse for not doing the voteswap. I had in my previous post said that I would not be there for the vote. So why would I need another excuse ?
And I'm not trying to make the point that theDragoon and OWB is green if dnyarri is green. I'm trying to point out that Johnny and OWB is more green because of the voteswap. Because if the voteswap succeeded they would have nothing to gain from dnyarris death. If dnyarri was green -> they look scummy. If dnyarri is red -> they bussed a scummate when they absolutly did not have to.
The reason I said it's hard to me to judge how much towny theDragoon looked after the vote was because when I came back I read the flip. So when reading those posts I KNEW he was town. Therefor I wont sit on my high horse and say he was obvious town and blame others for not realizing it in the heat of the moment. I see nothing that is inconsistent,
Also I did not piggy-back your analysis of OWB. I made a post that was simmilar to yours yes. I looked into OWB because I got paranoid since the lynch went so easy. I found a few points, but in the end to me it felt more like confirmation bias on my side than anything else. So I decided to stick with my vote on dnyarri.
Reasoning for me not mentioning BigDad is just because he has been under my radar. But I'm sure if you look you will find more ppl I did not mention? In general I dont talk about people I dont have reads on
ATM I'm thinking the scumteam is between BigDad, dnyarri and TheChiz. I've not had time to write big cases like you. But I will hopefully do it early tomorrow so we will have time to discuss before the vote.
He doesn't seem to like being misunderstood for good reason. Not much left unturned, and this is pretty apparent this entire game. Naturally, he was not lynched this game, and I think he comes off as mostly transparent. Any post that doesn't go into detail is fairly concise and straightforward. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 23:56 sidesprang wrote:
Ok so i've been reading up on the people I thought could be scum. Namely BigDad, Dnyarri, TheChyz.
@Dnyarri
This guy is reading towny for me now. His play since mid day 2 and onward has been good imo, and his response to why he was lurking felt genuine and honest. I wont rule out him being scum, but for each post it seems less likely. And we got bigger fish to fry imo.
@TheChyz
This guy is my top scumread ATM. I really dislike his playstyle, and someone (I think suki) said it was to bad to be scum, but It's also to bad to be town. In the first hours this day he managed to out the cop for no reason. Pretty much everyone else believed Asuna as long as there was only 1 kill. And the fact that there was one more power role out there was VERY likely. You also asked for blue roles to out themselves only to say you did not like Asuna outing herself, I dont get this logic. And you can't just brush it off with you trying to aggressivly trap someone. Where is the trap? And what have you learned from your trapping plays. Please explain to me how your play would make sense from a town perspective, what where your goals, and what did you learn from it ?
On another note when I read his filter is that during day one and night one his top scumread was Day_Walker pretty clearly. But when we get to day two you did not mention or fight for him at all, you just followed the flavour of the moment kills. Why is that ? I get the feeling you did not really care to much about who got lynched.
@BigDad
This guy is hard to read for me. But the biggest scumsign for me is that I feel all his vote are weak. The reasoning behind them I dont find sound at all. Tho it can just be because he is new and is not really good at scumhunting (I get the tell that he is bad in several other posts like the two where he is asking for vig/cop shots). I know I'm currenty very wishy-washy on this guy.
I will take another look at Day_Walker because he is now my third pick, and since my filterdive on BigDad did not find very much.
Currently I think TheChyz is the best choice and I will vote him. He needs to provide some good and sound logic for his agressivly trapping plays for me to unvote him.
##Vote TheChyz The biggest thing to take from here is how much SS questions his own reads. There is a difference between being wishy washy and trying to look at both perspectives and getting null results. He always attempts to generate some type of read, which is what I took out of this filter as opposed to his next one. Shadow Reboot: sidesprangThe only caveat I found here was how unwilling SS was in pushing townies as lynch candidates. He got bullied around and his votes only landed on teammates. Although I did mention how SS gets both perspectives as town, he really falls short in explaining where his null reads come from. SS always had at least some reason to what made his read neutral. SS had no issue with throwing neutral reads on players. He really had to backtrack on this statement Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 18:44 sidesprang wrote:
k, dont wanna give out town / nullreads tho cause I don't see the town benefit in doing so.
I like that rule early on in the game. I would have commended on SS on following that school of thought. He caved later on in the game though. Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 02:41 sidesprang wrote:
Ok lets see...
LM: While reading his filter I just dont see anything that stand out in a scummy way, not neccesarily town either. But not worth looking at this late in the cycle.
Alakaslam: I buy that he has been busy with work and whatnot. As I don't think scum!slam would lurk in any way I dont see a reason for lying about it. That being said I dont think his enterance is very good. Starts by complaining about how Balla / Suki trolled early game, which has been pointed out is something he is very capable aswell. And it was obviously something that was prewritten before Balla got the roles. Why bring that shit up again, its a null tell. His points are just fluff. He then says he is going to try some filters, but looks like he only read JayB, maybe the easiest one to pick on at the time.
@Slam Did you read up on the rest of the players? Do you got any other reads? What are your thoughts on Jonny?
Hopeless: Overall I dont find much scummy or town in his filter. But I agree I don't like why he is giving oats a townread. As oats is able to swap around his vote like that as scum and town it should be a null tell. And as hopeless has been around a lot I would think he would know that.
@Hopeless Is there anything other than the voteswapping and how he did it that give you a towntell on oats? Does your towntell diminish if you read some of his scumgames and see he is able to do that as scum aswell?
Jonny: Ok he left off by saying he had a case coming on Balla, and that Ballas filter stank. But when he comes back he has a case on Koshi. And imo it sucks, he points to a lot of different things, but I dont see why Koshi is scum from any of them. He claims to have scumreads on Koshi, slam and LM. Where the fuck did Balla go? I think Aquas case on him is really good, especially his conversation with the LM read. It really don't make any sense.
@Jonny What is your stance on Balla now? What in his filter stank, is it still stinking ? If not why?
##Vote JonnyLaw
Eek, that really doesn't happen that long after the first post I mentioned. The only thing that happened between the two was people applying pressure to him. He ends up giving null reads, a town read on a townie and scum read on a buddy. I think the pressure got to him, this play was quite counter-intuitive.
And I didn't even get to what SS had said this game.
Pretty disheartening. Back to lurking.
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Whatcha gonna do?
Surprised you guys weren't going to shoot robnik. After SS and mattchew died, my scum list was Gumshoe, Round and JJD. Shooting may have made me move to Vivax over Mord, but I would have prioritized the others.
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The RB doesn't mean much... why would you base a read on that?
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On February 23 2014 14:29 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 13:57 gumshoe wrote:On February 23 2014 11:04 IAmRobik wrote:
He was never gonna get lynched. And the only reason you didn't get lynched was cause of the RB claim. Otherwise you were super scummy I dont know man, you really didnt wanna see Matt get lynched, and yet off he went, I dont think it's too much of a stretch to imagine either grack or Bum dying before me and Mord, but believe what you will, that was a bad game all around so theres not much to be proud of in the first place. There's a difference between convincing people to not lynch someone who is _NOT_ in the game versus someone who I made a strong case for why they're town.
Your reads were very accurate, but I don't think the rest of us were quite on the same page. I liked how you played this game, but being convinced yourself isn't enough. I was sure you were town, and you were sure I was town, so we probably should have communicated more.
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On February 23 2014 17:15 Foolishness wrote:
roundabound's mafia claim was so bad.
By that I mean it was bad but it was also good. Like it made me facepalm cause I was able to instantly figure out he was mafia from it (especially after a good filter read) but then it was also brilliant how he was able to dodge a lynch and play off of it to mislead the town.
It's like one of those things that's so stupid it's brilliant. Or perhaps it was so brilliant that it was stupid.
When people weren't constantly yelling this game was actually pretty interesting to read. Perhaps that doesn't say much cause that's only like 20 pages >.>
See, I was on that track, but to do that on a hydra account seems really unfair to your partner. I don't think I am going to take courtesy into account anymore.
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