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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 05:58 roundabound wrote: If you complain about hydra's posting styles how is it possible you have already given one of them a townread based on their opening post? ~rayn I didn't realize it was a hydra at first...either way, that doesn't change the fact that the first post was very towny. | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? 1) You can call it sheeped if you want. Like I said, I was a pussy about actually coming out and saying it because I don't know people's playing styles and didn't want to incorrectly clear someone on d1 cause I like being right with my reads. 2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes. 3) Another general read that I have from forum mafia is that people who haven't said anything and just come into the thread and just start dropping content bombs are generally scummy. It shows that you took the time to come and read and think about what you wanted to say instead of just coming in and saying something. I have no fear for speaking my mind cause I am town and have nothing to hide. So I just talk. Even a "hey, just got home, will do a quick read to catch up and then give my reads" is more towny. Again, I could be wrong, but that's the impression that I got from past forum mafia experience. FOS!!!!! | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 06:02 roundabound wrote: Follow up question, what does it matter if it's hydra or not? ~rayn It matters only in the sense that you get a feel for how someone posts. Two people using different grammar and punctuation and verbiage can get confusing in that it makes that person more difficult to read. I'm the type of person who will clear someone for using a word that I think makes the most sense for them to use in a spot as a towny. That's just my playstyle though. That's why hydras make things a bit more difficult for me. I know it shouldn't matter too much, but it is what it is. | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 06:02 VIVAX420 wrote: Here's D1 of a game where we lynched scumthrawn D1. Lesson of that day : He lurks as scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344¤tpage=10 Don't you think he's veing very lurky, rayn? Man, just reading pgs 10-12 make me so happy with my read. Any games you can link me to where he's town? | ||
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IAmRobik
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Any chance you do anything productive whatsoever d1? | ||
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IAmRobik
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Nope...but can you really take my word for it? I mean, Mattchew can confirm, but if we're scum together (which, for the record, we're not), you wouldn't be able to trust him either. DUCY? | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote: Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. Even if scum clears me as town, that still one less person that I have to convince not to vote for me, which leads to a greater likelihood that I don't get mislynched as town and that's better for town. | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it? On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... Did you read his 5 posts today? Specifically the three before I voted. He was around. He saw that I pinged him and he chose not to respond instead of take initiative and actually do something. he still hasn't done anything other than vote on vivax...which is actually not a bad vote for the reason that you gave in your second paragraph. Having said that, I think it's more town than mafia to actually go back and find a specific game as a reference to someone's play being similar to a mafia play as opposed to just saying "hey remember that game we palyed recently where thrawn also lurked and posted nonsense and we lynch him as maf" | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote: I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. I mean, I've never searched for a game thread to prove someone is maf/town, but when people have done it in the past, they've generally been town. Also, I might want to rescind my original comment of round being my top town. I said it because I thought that I remembered smiley faces and stuff being towny, but now that I think of it, it could be the exact opposite read. I don't remember anymore. | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 06:49 thrawn2112 wrote: Everyone on this forum knows that I lurk and generally do nothing as mafia. Finding a game where I lurked as scum is as easy as clicking on the database thread and literally opening up any of my scum games. What vivax did is definitely not hard to do. ugh...i'm liking you more and more as you post...why couldn't you do that to begin with. Having said that, what you did at the beginning of the day is pretty much the definition of lurking which was why I was on your case to begin with. Please continue to provide this level of activity and stellar analysis as you've provided since you began giving actual content | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 06:52 roundabound wrote: I just have to do this:  Grackalliance!!! <3<3<3<33<34 ~rayn Can someone please comment on whether rayn is the type of person who would do this out of spite as mafia to prove that he can do whatever the hell he damn well pleases, or whether he would be more likely to do this as town risking getting on someone's bad side? | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 07:00 roundabound wrote: I am doing it because you might want to rethink about your methods of finding mafia if they seriously are what you just described. It's even more ridiculous if you think someone is ever going to lynch anyone based on "he used a scummy word" or "he is / isn't posting smilies".. Seriously, 500 games of mafia? Is this really what you are saying right now? To answer your question, yes i could make that post as mafia. Yes i could make that post as town. No, there is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in that post. ~rayn That's fine that you think this, but with age comes experience...yes, I use voting analysis and other more "intellectual" methods for determining if someone is scum or town as well, but I think that being able to pick up on trends of what people general do and don't say (or do) as mafia/town is very helpful. If not to make a 100% case, then at least to give you some direction. I could be right about it or I could be wrong. I don't know. It was an observation I made 3 years ago, which by now I've forgotten. All I can do is be honest. It's day 1 in a game that has no n0. If nothing else, it has provided us something to talk about (how stupid you think I am for using such minute details to clear or condemn people). | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote: Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value. Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now? ~rayn 1) I'm not comfortable analyzing QuantumPope at this moment, but I will agree that he's town. 2) Mattchew's comment about no fucks given was about Vivex, not about QuantumPope, and I don't remember if Mattchew answered that or not, but if not, I answered it for him. Either way, I have Mattchew as town for now. We'll see if he participates more or not. Given my experience with him, I would say Mattchew would be/will be more active if he is town and would/will take a more passive route as maf. I haven't really noticed Grackaroni, but would be more than happy to go back and read, what I assume, are 1-2 posts. Either way, thrawn's substance was far less than anyone else's at that point. I can't call out everyone for not participating. I singled out thrawn because his early participation sucked a big fatty. He was in the thread but not participating...just posting fluff. Since then, I feel like he has provided a lot more content and I've since changed my opinion of him. I will be reading other people. I am being active in this thread, but I'm also at work, so I'm not able to do everything all at once. Patience young Padawan...I will give reads on everyone at some point. Also, I wasn't 100% clear as to how this game worked and have since figured out that days aren't a set length as I'm used to, so apparently there's no pressure to hurry up on anything. I was just eager to start playing and assumed that people would share that eagerness/enthusiasm. | ||
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IAmRobik
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 07:41 roundabound wrote: 1) How can you say you have him as town if you are not comfortable analysing him atm? This is like giving a read that has no basis behind it. Do you think he is town or not and if you do why? If you don't why did you say so? 2) Same question. What would have Mattchew and QP posted as mafia in your opinion at the start of the game? Why? Mattchew very well knows how games work here and and especially his posts i found really fishy. Unless there is something behind them i don't understand. But especially as i aksed about them from him and he refused to answer and instead posted some other shit that has no value i am inclined to think he has no good answers. 3) How is this post: more scummy than this: ??? ~rayn 1) I understand you want an answer to this. I'm not gonna give it to you. 2) I have him as town because our reads align at the moment. Not just that, but he cleared Vivex for the exact reason that I would have cleared vivex if I wasn't too big of a bitch to actually post it. I was a bitch because I only post my thoughts when I'm truly sold on what I'm saying. When I 100% believe it to be true. This is not to say that I am unwilling to reconsider given new information or a change in style or attitude, but I like going off of original impressions a lot. So that's why I think Chew is town. With regards to your next round of questioning, I am not going to talk about QP for d1 unless I need to defend him. I just have a read that he's town and that's all I'm going to repeat over and over again. Mattchew would have fluffed it up hardcore and not given any town reads in my opinion if he was scum. He would not have cleared Vivex for what he cleared him for. And he probably wouldn't have cleared me, and probably has QP as town for the same reason I have QP as town. I don't know what your experience is with Mattchew or how he plays the games here, but my impression of how he would play as town is aligning with how he's playing right now. I don't know about his lack of response to you. I'll probably reread stuff when I get home today from work. My preferred method of play is to just stay on top of the game and respond to things as they happen. My rereads come in lulls or when I have an abundance of free time or night phases (which apparently this game doesn't have an abundance of). As for Grackaroni, I thought he had posted before then, but I could be wrong. What Thrawn posted stuck out to me, so that's what I focused on. I don't know why you think I need to take a hard stand on every player right away, especially those who have fluffed/been lurky. I have said in general that I think lurky/fluffy posters are scummier. I called out one of them. I have since reconsidered no that person think he's pretty town. I'm trying to solve the game. | ||
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Hey Conrad. I think you're the cop. That's why I am clearing you. They forced it out of me. Sorry bro. Next time. | ||
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