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Balla24
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 On January 17 2014 11:43 cakemanofdoom wrote: /in YES. | ||
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On January 20 2014 09:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was expecting a counterclaim. I'm very disappointed  Can you explain? I'm really confused... | ||
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Balla24
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Like if you are blue obviously you're going to claim before getting lynched, and town can either believe you or not. If you're scum and you claim blue before getting lynched then you get CC'ed or not. If you get CC'ed then you either get lynched or your CC gets lynched. You won't postpone in that case. If whoever is about to get lynched ends up being uncc'ed THEN you postpone the lynch. But there's nothing different than any other games? What makes your plan special? | ||
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The boxers are much more interesting, what exactly do we gain from having boxers claim? Town cred for some players and setup information? The setup information is honestly not that helpful for us at this point right? | ||
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He came up with this plan pre-game before he knew his role. Regardless of whether he is sticking with it now how is it helpful to be discussing it? He clearly thought it was a good plan as town before he even knew his role. So let's stop questioning him about that. It is annoying though that kush is elaborating on his reads like rayn is asking beyond the one liner explanations: i'd really like explanation on the flip-flop of thrawn-kush reads from both sides. | ||
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On January 21 2014 01:55 JonnyLaw wrote: Kush, why are you voting balla? Lack of activity? He's active when scum as well. Is it that he didn't like your plan and he's not being active? First off, what I was saying about his plan was that its just like any other game and its nothing really new, not that it was bad (besides the giving blues immunity regardless of what happens, that's bad and what the main bulk of the discussion around it was) Second off, it's pretty clear why kush is voting me here. I haven't done shit yet, he wants me to do shit, he votes me to pressure me into doing shit. You of all people should see that. | ||
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On the first quote: Rayn's not wrong here. What suki posted was pointing out "lapses" in VE's thought process but those quotes she was bolding in were about different topics. Quote1: on kush's "plan", Quote2: on Boxers claiming, Quote3: on boxers claiming with the use of Kush's plan as a way to emphasize his point. On the second quote: I can see that for sure. It's really hard to tell whether or not rayn is purposefully doing it or not. I think i'm going to go with this simplest answer here and say it wasn't on purpose. Particularly because it's hard to read into it how you expected us to read into it. It's not like you explicitly were saying "I think VE is scum". So I think I chose to give rayn the benefit of the doubt there. | ||
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On January 21 2014 02:35 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla you haven't actually said anything this game. Half of your posts starts with an "I don't" get it, understand, don't want to solve this fucking game because I'm scum. Bum or Rayn, pick one. Who's scummier? *as an aside Suki is a woman saw a couple posts addressed as "he" said whatever. Because wanting someone to clarify their posts means "I don't want to solve this game"? You should know me better than this Jonny. I'm very inquisitive. If I think something doesn't make sense or I'd like clarification then I ask about it. Bum or Rayn are not scummy at this point. The only thing I don't like out of what Rayn has done is his discussion on Kush's plan, beyond that he's starting a lot of discussion and having conversations. That's good. I don't know much about Bum but his case on Rayn was a little far-fetched. I don't like how he's already linking players on d1 (even though it's not a hard-link as we did last game) since we saw what happens with that already last game. His case on VE, separate from what he said about Rayn makes more sense. I don't see a scum player already making far-fetched cases like this so early, and I think it was more a reaction case then anything to rayn's case. What do you think? | ||
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His case on Rayn is super weird, where exactly does what rayn does make him scum? He's pressuring a lot of people with cases and votes. Crossfire is calling him scum for not committing to them and switching targets a lot but how does that make rayn scum?? It doesn't. It makes him town. From town perspective everybody starts as neutral and either gets a mafia read or a town read... its the opposite as scum. Rayn builds cases on people he thinks are scum, and posts reasoning too, yet Crossfire just latches onto the action itself and NOT the reasoning of rayn's cases. Rayn is one of the most active people in this game, why does Crossfire feel the need to pressure rayn about something so weak? Then there's this: On January 20 2014 11:06 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't think it's quite that simple. I don't care if there are no named VTs or 1 or 2 or 3. Yes scum will be learn things about the setup, but honestly that doesn't matter because scum already know that there are X to Y power roles from their configuration. What claiming now does is prevent scum from being able to fake claim a named VT later. It prevents stupid things happening at lynches. Additionally, if we have power roles it gives them info about where they should begin using their powers. Even if scum decide to fake claim now, it's not like we're giving the named VTs a free pass, we're just treating them like miller claims where the info helps us and prevents scum from claiming something like that (e.g. miller) in the future. That's all. It all depends if you think it matters if scum knowing the setup is a bad thing or if the claims could even help our power roles. I'll let other people chime in on this. Ok. Back to this crazy Niners-Seahawks game. Where rayn points out why claiming Boxers is a bad thing for town and a good thing for mafia. He essentially brushes that off by saying "mafia already knows information about the setup" without really explaining what. Rayn gives him the courtesy to write out his expected outcomes from the plan but Crossfire does not reciprocate. ##vote Crossfire99 | ||
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As far as Crossfire: His case against rayn is bad and really construed, its very large but the only thing he is attacking is the fact that rayn has jumped around a lot. Like it doesn't make sense to put that much effort into that first off, and secondly why does he feel the need to pressure rayn of all people who is active as hell and will be more readable because of it. It just feels very wrong. The second bit about the Boxers claiming thing is obvious that there is scum motivation for discussing it and getting the town onboard. So him brushing off what was said is super suspicious. Other people who look bad: Jonnylaw, Artanis. Artanis's game plan is really weird and underwhelming to me. He comes in trying to hard read rayn, accuses him of being scum and then leaves. Not only did he only accuse you of being scum because he thinks you have "something to hide" but you had done so much already and now that there was more. | ||
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On January 22 2014 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes there is because apparently half of the people in this game are worse than those newbies as they say nothing at all.. well I have you to do that for me now | ||
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Bum still looks town to me. Only thing that bothers me is how he gives an ultimatum to VE if VE doesn't respond properly he will lynch. Then VE doesn't respond adequately to bum yet he drops the case. So hopefully his tunneling is done. Let me look at zarepath more indepth. | ||
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Want to hear more from crossfire and artanis though. | ||
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On January 20 2014 21:44 zarepath wrote: I thought VE was talking about the two different plans, kush's "don't lynch anyone who claims blue" plan and the Boxer claim plan. I don't know what he was talking about with the "2 is pretty potent" quote, I have no idea what he's saying. But I didn't think he was inconsistent while reading him because he had two different opinions on two different plans. ^ Referencing suki's case on VE where she mistakenly calls VE indecisive on kush's plan. So he corrects her here. But then says in his VE case: On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote: 4. Wishy-washy demeanor + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming. On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. On January 20 2014 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm giving benefit of the doubt where that its concerned...I had to go look again at the setup to remember myself when it was first mentioned. | ||
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I actually find that wording to be really weird "for you to have to defend yourself against SCUM suspicions" I've never seen anybody call just straight up suspicion "scum suspicion". When I just read that now it honestly looked like a scum claim. Probably just poor wording though. | ||
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So what exactly do you want him to do zarepath? | ||
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Why are you so worried this game though? Usually you are all "well Balla is generally active enough that I can read him later". I'm fine with lynching zarepath. You guys have both done all the work, which makes you more town definitely, but I still need to see what Crossfire and Artanis are doing before I settle 100% ##unvote ##vote zarepath | ||
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On January 22 2014 04:26 kushm4sta wrote: Balla why are you voting zare? There is nothing scummy therre. Yes rayn is town and probably jl too but that doesn't make them righT I disagree, what JL and rayn are pointing out IS scummy to me. He's contradicting himself and playing exactly like how he says scum players play. With that said though... with artanis jumping on him 2/3 of my current scum reads are voting on him. That doesn't sit well with me. Still want to see what crossfire does though but i'm already reconsidering. Why don't you think what rayn and JL are saying about zarepath is scummy kush? It looks scummy to me and clearly them. | ||
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My read on crossfire is what I posted in my case, nothing has changed since he hasn't come back and posted anything. So still scum. JL is the weaker of the 3 that I don't feel very confident about. | ||
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Rayn told me it was a joke and wrote it off so I didn't pay it any mind but it turns out you had some real motivation for it so I do want an explanation afterall. | ||
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On January 22 2014 04:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's not about if he plays along. I was near certain he would. It's about how he would approach it that would allow me insight into the mindset with which he starts the game. It was also meant as kickstart for the game so we could go straight into scumhunting rather than talk about setup and policy and all that jazz. Sure that's reasonable. But why did you chose to call rayn scum based off of only that and barely mention other things that make him scum. Like you said: On January 21 2014 04:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No I'm not happy, because other than refusing to engage me in conversation you're now also attempting to destroy town atmosphere. I have found scum in you, and you are who I want to lynch. But you didn't say how he was destroying the town atmosphere... | ||
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You seemed to not consider the fact that he is claimed BoxeR. Does that fact change anything with how he might play. To me he seemed to get much less serious after he claimed BoxeR. Similar to when people become confirmed town they start sucking and not caring as much. Do you see Slam doing that here? | ||
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I'd be fine with that if I had played more than 5 games T_T | ||
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On January 25 2014 13:16 JonnyLaw wrote: Yeah man, I thought scum so easy till I tried. Barely made d3 in 30 player game and fucked us quite hard. I really was sad to see you're scum. You accomplished your goal of getting me to back off calling you scum and rayn hated me for it. I'll see you again in shadow mafia. Scum -> Town is super easy Town -> Scum is impossible for new players it looks like. I would have been better, but I was so much busier than normal T_T Also. You call me scum a LOT. Like this game it was justified, but past 2 games as well you've been suspicious of me for no reason. Got you into trouble this game Should have looked harder and made more meta cases with quotes and stuff against me to get ppl to believe you. Cause literally when you were calling me scum the only legit reason you had was my activity level and that's no good even though it's a good tell for people who have played with each other a lot.WP though. | ||
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On January 25 2014 11:41 kushm4sta wrote: not really. townread zarepath, townread balla, scumread thrawn pretty shit reads imo nah dude u had really good reads early on... i think u nailed all 3 of us in one early post IIRC | ||
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On January 26 2014 08:04 JonnyLaw wrote: I'm tempted suki. I can barely keep up with shadow mafia and it will start before gsl ends. Eghhhhh maybe ur co-hosting anyways... | ||
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