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zarepath

United States1626 Posts

January 24 2014 19:06 GMT

#1641

On January 25 2014 03:54 kushm4sta wrote:

um artanis i hate to break this to you bro, but im confirmed town due to some dumb shit i did in the first 5 minutes of the game. So you are barking up the wrong tree here.

I don't know what you did in the first 5 minutes of the game to be confirmed town but you keep talking about it

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 19:07 GMT

#1642

On January 25 2014 03:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
is anyone townreading VE? for a good reason?

if nobody can answer i think that's a good reason to vote him

I have 2 small things that keep me from giving VE a solid town read.

1) Despite having an 8 page filter, I don't really remember much of what he's done. Fight with bum a lot, but not really a whole lot else.

2) He hasn't really been interacting with me very much. Like he's not given a single opinion about me, which isn't scummy in itself, but I'm a smurf. He's not been digging trying to get a read on me, just letting me lurk around and not do a whole lot.

Despite that, I still have a marginal town read on VE. is arguments with bum felt like the frustrated town VE.

I 'unno, I think it's *possible* VE could be scum, but I don't think we should lynch him today.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 24 2014 19:08 GMT

#1643

oooh yeah usage of all caps is why i read him as town.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

January 24 2014 19:09 GMT

#1644

honeslty i still have no clue

I've read his filter several times already and come away with no reads every time. his tone and stuff suggest that he is interested in finding scum but i don't think he's made any impact on the game despite how long his filter is. during d2 he;s seemed too carefree abut who he is willing to vote and he's not doing anything to heklp town find scum

he doesn't have anything townie going for him other than how he talks, i guess?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 24 2014 19:09 GMT

#1645

On January 25 2014 04:07 BarristanTheBold wrote:

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I have no reason to think you're scum. So I haven't mentioned you. Consider it a town read. I'm not letting you lurk, nor do I think what you've been doing is lurking. You're posting when it's relevant and saying things I find townie.

Not remembering what I've done isn't a scumtell. Just so we're clear.

suki

Canada1159 Posts

January 24 2014 19:14 GMT

#1646

On January 25 2014 03:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
Artanis I'm not sure if you're being lazy or just scummier here.

You really think that a scum team consists of jonnylaw/kush/balla24?

Honestly you and rayn both must think I'm a scum god. I promoted lynching kush and balla all day1.

Okay let's say you're right. In what world would I be sitting in a scum qt saying, "hey balla and kush lets chat and bus each other all day when there's not pressure on us yet! Balla, make sure to say you think I'm scum as well and let's see who can get lynched faster."

Kush is always going to be a lynch target and Balla basically gave up on the game because I wouldn't stop calling him scum.

Your accusations are so weak. They were weak when rayn made them and they're still weak.

Actually, I thought that for a bit :<

The conversation would then continue, "Hey I know, let's both target zarepath and crossfire and get them lynched. If there's two of us pushing them then that's practically a majority already!"

When balla dies he'd be like "damn Jonny boy you won that one. Next time I'll win the lynch race."

Also I still like Artanis lynch over Jonny. His defense isn't really doing anything for me.

suki

Canada1159 Posts

January 24 2014 19:15 GMT

#1647

Woah Barristan you're a smurf? :| news to me.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 24 2014 19:19 GMT

#1648

Suki why did you instantly believe Bum's claim?

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 19:23 GMT

#1649

She arleady answered you, VE.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 24 2014 19:23 GMT

#1650

suki can i answerthis one for you?

suki

Canada1159 Posts

January 24 2014 19:23 GMT

#1651

I just explained it above. There's no reason for me to doubt it unless someone counter claims.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

January 24 2014 19:24 GMT

#1652

yeah is the alak shit

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 24 2014 19:31 GMT

#1653

Suki scum could have a Godfather and KNOW that no one is going to counterclaim.

But, looking at your reasoning, that makes me believe bum's claim more myself. Like you said - he would have had no reason to suspect one of the three Named VT claims as early as he did unless he KNEW one was lying. The only way he'd know that is if there IS NO Godfather if he's scum. And if there's no Godfather, then there's a counterclaim coming.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 24 2014 19:39 GMT

#1654

ve how believable do you find thrawn's claim? im not up on the claims and setups and whatnot like you are.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 24 2014 19:44 GMT

#1655

cause if you think about it, certain setups are balanced by the fact that scum can fake claim, so ofc scum are going to use all their advantages and fake claim.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 24 2014 19:45 GMT

#1656

fake claim is more than 50% likely

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 24 2014 19:50 GMT

#1657

On January 25 2014 04:39 kushm4sta wrote:
ve how believable do you find thrawn's claim? im not up on the claims and setups and whatnot like you are.

If he's not Named VT then we've got issues. Let me look.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

January 24 2014 19:52 GMT

#1658

omg kush dont do this

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

January 24 2014 19:53 GMT

#1659

I feel really strongly that JLaw being a mislynch today would lose a lot of traction for town has right now.

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On January 25 2014 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1. Interaction with Balla seems fake.
He pressures Balla a bit, then when Balla answers him he doesn't do anything with it, just continues to call him scum. He knows the alignment of Balla already so he doesn't actually care about the answers. He just wants interaction for distancing.

2. His read on Kush makes no sense.

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He says this is exactly how Kush plays. So clearly he knows a lot about Kush's meta.

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Welp, that's weird. He suddenly forgot 90 minutes later.

3. Voting pattern compared to reads
VE already brought this up.

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On January 23 2014 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jonny might very well be scum.

When I initially noticed Balla and voted for him Jonny had just unvoted and voted for Kush, citing "we can't get Jonny lynched anyway, so lynch Kush I think they both scum"

On January 21 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote:
##unvote
##vote kushmasta

I think kush is scum. I think balla is scum. I think kush put a bus vote on balla and got an easy out when I said something. No one else will vote balla. Lynch kush.

So why is it that once people start LOOKING AT balla, suddenly Jonny is more interested in lynching Kush?

On January 22 2014 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla I still think you're scum.

You post essentially nothing this game. Then you pop back into the thread and pick a convenient lurker to lynch. You're not making an effort to solve this game.

How is sheeping rayn by saying he's here to move the game forward any type of acceptable play? In the last game you kept commenting oh how you play too nicely and trying to FIND SCUM while I randomly harassed people into talking.

you ask questions, but pose them doubtfully like you're not sure and don't care if they're answered. Your play this game is completely scummy. in 40 hours all you've managed to conclude is that rayn (nine pages of filter) is town and you can sheep him safely while crossfire (one page of filter) looks bad so you can post something without fear of him coming back at you with a defense.

It certainly seems like he still "thinks Balla is scum", so why not vote? Maybe his next vote will be on Balla....

On January 22 2014 03:56 JonnyLaw wrote:
##unvote
##vote zarepath

Yeah, your last post sealed it for me. Your explanation for bum being scummy is that he took his vote off VE when no one would follow his lead. You took your vote off VE when you thought it was an easy thing to do. They're not obviously different at all.

On January 22 2014 01:22 zarepath wrote:
I could join a bum scum wagon for his rationale of ending his VE assault, notably because of this:

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On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote:
VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you.

Followed by this:

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On January 21 2014 14:18 bumatlarge wrote:
##unvote

You win. I'm not going to pursue this charade if no one else finds it worth while.

If he did not ACTUALLY think he would never take his vote off without VE satisfactorily answering his questions (which is the case, as evidenced by him taking his vote off of him), what was the purpose of stating it in such a dramatic way? I'm thinking for appearance, which is actually backed up by the second quote, where he shares his rationale for dropping the vote, which is purely because of what everyone else thinks.

The ideal townie would pursue his read no matter what, but a non-ideal townie isn't necessarily scum. What shouts scummy to me is the transparent motivation of focusing on how everyone else perceives his arguments, and not on his arguments themselves.

He tried to back up his case for two days and it gained no traction. You abandoned yours after two fucking minutes when VE said lynch me if I'm scum. You literally have one post saying I made a case and that's it. After that it's like total 180 and you jump on the same person VE has his vote on.

Nope...it's on Zarepath. So him saying he's thought Balla was scum like all D1 is pretty meaningless, because when Balla was being discussed, there was never any "Hey yeah! I like that guy for scum too!" or a vote or anything. In fact, when the votes started dropping, Jonny was on the other guy.

He's thought Balla was scum all game long, but doesn't really interact with him much, nor does he vote for him until he's already dead and buried.

[b]4. Accuses people without purpose.

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So there's this thing he found interesting except he could see it done as both alignments. Okay.

5. Keeps trying to get cred for the Balla lynch
After the lynch, Jonny seems more interested in getting credit for the lynch despite not having voted for him until the last moment than anything else.

6. Can't keep his own story straight
Rayn already said it.
On January 22 2014 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On January 22 2014 06:43 JonnyLaw wrote:
Yeah, fine who do you want to lynch then? I'm taking a short break to reevaluate and gather my thoughts.

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On January 22 2014 06:47 JonnyLaw wrote:
On January 22 2014 06:45 suki wrote:
I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far.

Aside from the activity level I'd agree.

This is really bad. Really bad.
He's had one clear scumread all the game. When something unexpected happens he has no idea what to do and then calls Balla's posting town?!?! But it was scummy before? And after. lol.

On January 23 2014 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On January 22 2014 03:59 JonnyLaw wrote:
I dunno maybe he's frustrated he got no support after putting a lot of effort into a case. Something you did not do.

Hell if it were up to me I'd lynch balla today but that doesn't seem likely. I've played 3 games with him in the last 2-3 months and this is not how town balla should be playing. So, when something's not working find another scummer to lynch. And I think Rayn did exactly that when he found Zarepath.

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On January 22 2014 06:47 JonnyLaw wrote:
On January 22 2014 06:45 suki wrote:
I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far.

Aside from the activity level I'd agree.

no no no.
This does not make any sense.

That should be pretty much slam dunk already. Now for the recent posts which seem to have given people a townread on him somehow.

7. Case on Suki
Cases can be bad and that doesn't make the person that makes them scummy. However, the choice of target on its own doesn't make sense. When you're a townie and you feel down and out and there's one person trying to motivate you to try again, who do you filter first to try and find scum? Generally it isn't the person trying to motivate you. So why would a scum JL do it?

Because she was the best target that no one had really made a case on yet. Making a case on Bum wouldn't get you any credit because VE's already done it. Suki was the one with the filter easiest to portrait as scum that no one did yet. A perfect target for a scum case. The effort involved wasn't too much either, simply quoting posts and adding a line here and there and suddenly towncred galore.

8. Instant flip with town consensus
Okay, now that the town cred has been accrued, let's see who we can actually lynch. Artanis is getting a lot of votes, let's plop my vote down there. What's strange is that the thing that's showing I'm town the most, the effort I put into getting my target lynched, is somehow scummy to him. From all the things in my filter that's what he points out. It shows a lack of a town mindset.

Lynch JonnyLaw. He's scum. Lynch me if I'm wrong.

1) While you bring up a lot of neat points, artanis, none of it is really damning. JL talking about balla and not voting him until the end is curious, but eventually he does when it matters, I don't think he is trying to gain anything by it. It looks more like a town thought process.

2) His vote on kush is bad, but again that looks like faulty town play. He never apears to call kush town, just saying "that's how he plays", as either alignment. He is interested in how rayn came to his conclusion. He does think it over before he votes him, the distance between those posts you gave about kush are hours away from each and alot happens in between then.

3) His vote on zarepath isn't awful either. EVERYONE THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM. I would have rather lynched VE, and I ate flak for taking my vote off him, and you had a town read on me at the time. His reasons are on par with someone trying to scumhunt. You would have to reach a good amount to turn that into scum that is slightly bussing.

4) Rayn accuses people without purpose to generate reads. I think JLaw's attacks have a similar goal; to draw out content from certain players. Crossfire had barely any content. He was attempting to bring attention to it an wasn't pushing CF as anything. All of this just indicates that JLaw is reading the thread and trying to come up with reads.

5/6) I think he deserves some... His post with suki about balla "playing his town game" is out of place, though.

7) I find this very silly. He is developing reads, and going into territory no one has gone before is town, not mafia. Your reasons why this is scummy are completely far-fetched.

8) This is alignment-read bias. If you are really convinced someone is scum, everything they do is going to have a mafia reason.

I think a lot of what JLaw has said is questionable, but 0% of it is anti-town, and you have to ignore the vote on balla to even start to get a non-town read on him. [b]Please reconsider the wagon on JLaw, he is 95% town from what I can see.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 24 2014 19:54 GMT

#1660

Wait he's not a named VT claim is he? Where does he do this? I'm so behind

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