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Why is everyone acting like kush is scum? I don't see the argument where anyone is saying that both Jonny and kush are scum.
One thing about Jonny is that after he was so certain about Balla, thread sentiment turned against me and he switched onto me, with balla giving the assist. It seems odd for him to claim he knew 100% about balla the whole time but was willing to agree with him as long as it was a case against me.
On January 22 2014 03:30 JonnyLaw wrote:
@balla It took me a minute to understand what the hell that post is saying. But yes it is contradicting his case completely. Backwards ass logic. He's scum for being defensive and he's scum for saying fuck it, lynch me if I'm scum.
Then he couches the seemingly inevitable (at that point) zarepath lynch with the following, which looks a lot like he's preparing to say "I knew he couldn't be that bad of a scum, he was just bad townie" or something along those lines:
On January 22 2014 04:39 JonnyLaw wrote:
@barristan because I went back and reread his filter again, and again, and again. Then I went back to where the they fit into the thread and looked at context.
Why do you hate it suki?
Here is my only doubt about the zarepath lynch.
He blatantly does everything which he calls scummy. If he's scum he's clearly not being very careful.
I still think he's scum.
So I guess what I'm saying is that he DIDN'T 100% push Balla all game, but actually agreed with him when thread sentiment was against me, and yet is now proactively taking town credit for the Balla lynch.
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On January 22 2014 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2014 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How does his tone differ from the games he has been mafia in? On January 21 2014 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i think Balla's tone is far closer to his scumgame than his town game. As town he tries to get shit done, as scum he is more interested in agreeing/disagreeing with what other people say about other people. On January 21 2014 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 23:13 suki wrote:
Balla's early game as town is a lot more questioning and posturing and not really scum hunting. In his mafia game he locked onto a target early and stayed on him. And in this game all he has done is defending me. Ha has not really asked anyone enything, besides some half-arsed crap i don't even know what's that gonna accomplish. Then there is a case on Crossfire, in which, again, he talks more about me than Crossfire.. On January 21 2014 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, then we have a totally different opinion on Balla's town/scum play or you are lying. On January 21 2014 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we have a totally differing opinion on what's questioning and posturing.. On January 21 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like i just looked at his past games and: - town games - 19 and 23 pages of filter, a lot of oneliners, questions many people about his concerns, is clearly trying to find out what people think about what he thinks is important
- scum game - 7 pages of filter, more big irrelevant posts that are inclined to talk about what X thinks of Y and how it's right/wrong. no real pushing of his own ideas.
If i don't even think about the motivation behind Balla's posts in this game and just look at what he has said it looks exactly like he played mafia and nothing like his town play to me. This is exactly what JonnyLaw has been saying all game. Why am i not mafia?
Well, you didn't go out of your way to claim town credit for it
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But after Balla made a point about me, JonnyLaw made a special point of explaining that he understood Balla's point
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Like, giving the argument more limelight, as it were.
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It's not a reason for him being mafia but it goes along with what suki was saying about his interactions with/about balla being weird
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On January 23 2014 03:32 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:You should Ctrl-F Balla while reading Bum's filter. The LAST thing he says D1 is "I don't want to lynch Balla, I coached him  " This is weird because 1) He has insight into this player, yet he hasn't chosen to share anything about this player - who is now flipped scum. 2) Balla is mentioned maybe 3 times in the entirety of Bum's filter. Go see how many times I'm mentioned. 3) Bum was not on the Balla wagon I don't have ctrl f until I get to a pc. 90% of my mafia activity is from phone.
Are you the literal Wile E. Coyote?
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On January 23 2014 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then we lynch JL first I don't even care.
Shouldn't you care, though? Like, a little?
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On January 23 2014 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Read the posts Rayn. Read his spoiler, and read my response. I answered his questions. He's literally appealing to people NOT reading the thread. If I can get people who are READING the thread to see that he's scum, then this game is over.
but you don't care if we lynch JL instead
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On January 23 2014 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just because I'm indifferent between the two players in question as far as which we lynch first does not mean that I'm not interested in convincing the rest of town that BOTH of the players in question are, in fact, mafia.
Okay, fair enough
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I have to check out before day post, so here are my reads thus far:
Town
-Rayne is pretty obviously town. If scum, greatest scum ever, but seems really unlikely
-Suki was a late vote on balla, but her thought process and cases seem to come from an extremely town mindset
-Crossfire seems kinda sketchy but his extremely early vote on Balla seems like the opposite of scum, and actions>words
Null
-Thrawn doesn't provide many full cases but prompts a lot of positive discussion, so doesn't seem scummy to me
-WileE seems... I don't even know. It just seems very difficult to find any pro-town contribution from him, but I get a sense that he just kinda does his own thing. I don't have a town read on him because if that's the case, how are we supposed to know when he's scum?
-I don't have a town read on VE yet and am kind of seeing what comes out of the latest VE/bum interactions to get a better read
-kush was very hesitant to vote for balla, and was very confident in my towniness. I didn't find that a reason for suspicion at all at the time, for obvious reasons, but when I was clearly going to get lynched, his defense of me felt very token and half-hearted, not like somebody terrified we were going to lynch a townie. There is the fact that he was opposite balla on the lynch going for him, though
Leaning mafia
-Artanis was one of few who stayed on kush during the great migration to Balla and has yet to answer for that
-bum was the other who refused to vote for balla
Scummy
-Barristan looks the worst out of all the vote patterns, imo, and as others mentioned, most of his content is meta-related
-JL seems inordinately enthusiastic about the Balla lynch, especially compared to the reality of how much he pushed for it
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Now that you mention it, it is very unlikely thrawn is scum because he would not have wanted to chime in and say that his role PM was worded similarly to what I posted, giving a townie credibility out of a mislynch.
So EBWOP: townie read on thrawn
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Because she gave a motivating speech to JL
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That looks like a pretty legitimate claim from bum.
I have been pretty busy and had a hard time keeping track of everyone's cases, but from what's happened here I definitely do not think Suki or bum are scum.
Artanis has done the least to look town, I am still unsure about VE and Barristan, and actually somewhat worried that kush is escaping discussion simply by virtue of going up against Balla. Town can be right twice and not know it.
I am surprised that JL's case, which was mostly quotes, has pushed so many people off of him. But I think that everyone already has Artanis as their second read anyway, so it's easy to compromise.
##Vote Artanis
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On January 25 2014 02:00 suki wrote:
Actually Jonny, B being the only setup makes sense with my WileE theory, because that means town has a GF, which would rule out setup D which is the only setup with 2 boxers and no power roles. So scum is absolutely sure there's another power role.
kushmaster, master of scumslips, does that qualify as a scumslip? (Or anyone, really.) I read Suki town for motivational speeches and high participation, but all of this setup talk strikes me as something scum can easily get their teeth into without any risk at all (and probably actually something they need to figure out anyway, what town knows as opposed to what they know) and probably not super worthwhile to talk about for town at this stage in the day.
This seems like it might be a slip because when you are scum pretending to be town talking about scum, faction confusion seems like an easy mistake to make, whereas if you're just down, it's very much an us-vs-them and it shouldn't be that hard to know that Mafia are the ones with Godfathers, and not Town.
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On January 25 2014 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:
No a scum slip is not when someone says town when they meant to say scum.
A scum slip is assuming someone is town by mistake.
Okay, well, did it seem scummy at all to you, or am I just getting too much into semantics?
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On January 25 2014 03:54 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 03:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Kush if you thought it was so scummy why did you never push me? Why are you coming back to it only now?
And yes you usually have a shit filter but even then you usually have some form of contribution to add. You don't this game. um artanis i hate to break this to you bro, but im confirmed town due to some dumb shit i did in the first 5 minutes of the game. So you are barking up the wrong tree here.
I don't know what you did in the first 5 minutes of the game to be confirmed town but you keep talking about it
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Well, I think it's more likely than Thrawn because Thrawn actually breadcrumbed a little while WileE's was completely random.
People say WileE is just kind of like that as town, but if he's like that as town, why wouldn't he do something crazy like that as scum? In relation to Thrawn, it's definitely more likely, IMO.
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Yeah, I was going to go ahead but with the quesiton of whether someone had seen the QT... I decided the amount of effort it would take (even with my incredible advantage of being randomly "confirmed townie") with also wondering if anybody had seen the QT the whole time... yeah, probably not worth it.
I think my townslip was the only good thing I did as scum the whole game
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I need some feedback on being good scum. In every game I played last year, I was VT and really enjoyed it, and just rolling scum was paralyzing for me because the last time I'd been scum was my first game ever in a newbie game, and I was outed on day 2.
Barristan/Rayne particularly, because they put the most pressure on me day 1 -- what should I be doing/not doing as scum? I just couldn't even get myself in the right mindset.
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That was hilarious, Alakaslam
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