EPTi don't think scum!kush would even bother to do that sort of in depth reading of a post he did there. If bumatlarge is scum he MIGHT, but i still doubt.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
i don't think scum!kush would even bother to do that sort of in depth reading of a post he did there. If bumatlarge is scum he MIGHT, but i still doubt. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Suki same thing. You want more from me? Who's posted more? Not you. That's a certainty. I can't pin kush as scum but I dislike his play as town. I have both games I played with him. That's the only reason I don't try to push it harder. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 21 2014 10:51 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn it's not as in depth as you're making it out to be, AND it's assuming that BUM is town let's lynch bum and find out | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
lol you know bum's alignment isn't going to change my opinion of you at all. i don't even know why you'd think that'd be the case | ||
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kushm4sta
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On January 21 2014 10:49 JonnyLaw wrote: rayn, you know i posted like once a cycle in that game. wos warned me for activity. Sandro called me scum early and never backed off. Suki same thing. You want more from me? Who's posted more? Not you. That's a certainty. I can't pin kush as scum but I dislike his play as town. I have both games I played with him. That's the only reason I don't try to push it harder. What's with the hostility? All I want is some scum hunting. Also I have posted more, so I don't understand what you're trying to argue here. | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote: @Barristan 1) I simply have not had much time so far this game. Sundays are always my busiest days of the week (and this goes back to all of my games) and I barely had a chance to read the thread then, and today I've been doing family stuff b/c holiday and poking back in. My activity level should rise appropriately the rest of the week, but still probably not to The Game levels as I have another kid now and my schedule's tightened. That's fine. I'm not particularly worried about how *much* you post, but the content inside of then. Your posts in The Game were full of content, your posts this far here have not been. On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote: I reject the notion that my "focus" on VE has been a simple parroting of other's comments, as that's not what I did at all. His switch to bum looked very suspicious and I did my own analysis of him, and that case was the result. My case was completely ignored and I HAVE tried to push it back into people's attention, so I think that's a mischaracterization. About the parroting: I was attributing points made by other people against other players as points made against VE and you just repeating them. That was a mistake on my part. However, in doing research for this post, I noticed something else that caught my attention. In your case against VE you say: On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote: 2. Immediate attack on Wiley for blue claiming + Show Spoiler + This seemed like another very easy thing to do, but in his accusation he doesn't really explain why it's scummy, just that "it's all bad." It's easy to attack someone for being obviously contradictory without actually calling them scummy, and that's what he did. Okay, so just attacking someone without explaining why those things you're attacking are scummy is scummy itself? But: On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote: 3. Defensive tone + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand the question. Or the accusation. On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim. I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. On January 20 2014 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Kish look me in the balls and tell me you don't think that as town if I don't believe a claim that I wouldn't vote for it if I think it is scum. It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes? On January 20 2014 23:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Ski I'm literally ignoring your posts friend. If you have an actual accusation I'll respond to that. 4. Wishy-washy demeanor + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming. On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. On January 20 2014 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm giving benefit of the doubt where that its concerned...I had to go look again at the setup to remember myself when it was first mentioned. 5. Wants others to discuss things, not himself + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim. Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions. Yes, let's talk MORE about these plans On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim. I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. On January 20 2014 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Kish I'm open to suggestions. If you think someone is a better lynch then convince me. Its called playing Mafia! :D On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think? Note the lack of reasoning for his agreement, but the suggestion that others should talk about it Nowhere in there are you explaining WHY those things are scummy. I mean, if an obvious contradiction needs an explanation for why it's scummy, then your arguments need an explanation for why they are scummy. This is partly why your case got ignored. You can't call someone scummy for something and then do the same thing yourself. Note: I actually disagree with all of these points anyways, not that it matters. VE did get defensive later, but not in those quotes. Nor would I call those other quotes wishy-washy. And your "Yes, let's talk MORE about these plans" is a gross over-exaggeration. The quote in question happened when EVERYONE was talking about the plans. It wasn't like it happened an hour before your case or something after everyone had dropped it. You're just writing a narrative to build a case. On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote: 2) You talk about me voting and pushing my scum reads as if this is a pattern I've established in this game, when I've had one main read that I've made a case on so far, and my analysis was more in-depth than essentially every argument leading up to a vote in this thread. I don't see how you consider my analysis of VE leading up to my vote on him as being worse than VE voting for bum, his only justification being... that it's okay that he's giving up on his earlier vote. The point is, I'm not comparing your vote to VE's vote. I'm comparing your vote and your attack pattern on YOUR OWN votes and attack patterns from the past, and there's a pretty stark difference. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
bum flips red >>> I'm supposed to no longer be suspicious of kush and the implied follow up to that is: bum flips green >>> my suspicions of kush are now justified Rayn or anyone that plays with kush, do you really think town kush is this confident about his scum reads? You think he's so confident about his bum read that he's implying to me, the person who has been after him all game, that if his scumread flips green then my suspicions are forgivable? How can kush possibly be so sure about bum? (hint: kush does love to bus but we will save that for later) This is one of the easiest ways to read him imo, by how confident he sounds when explaining his reads and ideas. It's not just because he knows alignments althought that's often part of it, it's just part of his meta. Bum doesn't have to be scum for kush to be, because the point is that town_kush_is_not_confident_enough_to _make_ these_kinds_of_posts.... especially in this situation, where I am already out for hsi head. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 21 2014 10:55 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn do you think it's a fair assessment to say that you aren't really trying this game? why is that your assumption I mean I know that that's a likely town explantion for how tunneled I've been, but why are you assuming that option? Why aren't you suspicious that I've done almost nothing all game except try to get you lynched. But yes I will admit I haven't put much effort into this so far. I guess you're trying to discredit me without having to attack my points or call me mafia? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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thrawn2112
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
RE bum - There's not any one thing that actually makes me not interested in him right now, but more of his attitude. It's pretty ballsy to OMGUS one (rayn) and straight out attack another (VE) of the "best" players in the game if you're (relatively?) new at scum. He's got a carefree attitude that I only attribute to the best of scum players, and almost certainly not newbie scum. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 21 2014 11:05 BarristanTheBold wrote: kush: RE bum - There's not any one thing that actually makes me not interested in him right now, but more of his attitude. It's pretty ballsy to OMGUS one (rayn) and straight out attack another (VE) of the "best" players in the game if you're (relatively?) new at scum. He's got a carefree attitude that I only attribute to the best of scum players, and almost certainly not newbie scum. he has been playing on this site for 7 years ve said i think | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
On January 21 2014 11:07 kushm4sta wrote: he has been playing on this site for 7 years ve said i think Playing for 7 years does not mean he's not a newbie. It just means he doesn't play often. Also I dunno how often he's rolled scum, I should go check. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + total games played: VisceraEyes 50 Palmar 43 bumatlarge 41 ... raynpelikoneet 21 + something maybe10 | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Barristan get that out of your head. Bum is a lot of things, but new to this game is not one of them. | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
Interesting. I'll do some digging around. | ||
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