In my opinion. Grack as scum follows thread sentiment very well.

E.g. his bus on me when we were both scum

This game I find his posts to be his own opinion and often against thread sentiment.

E.g. his read on oats when others were focused on bum.

This segues into.
U listed oats

Can u flesh this out in more detail pls.

Mocsta

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January 29 2014 06:35 GMT

#1417

Love u 2 thrawn

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January 29 2014 06:47 GMT

#1428

Oats. What do u think of slam vote?

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January 29 2014 07:11 GMT

#1435

On January 29 2014 15:54 kushm4sta wrote:
just realized mocsta/bum can't both be scum because of something mocsta said about pm convos with bum.

So actually I would lynch balla since
eitehr mocsta/balla are scum and bum is town
or bum is scum and mocsta/balla are town

the first seems more likely

Elucidate me.

Mocsta

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January 29 2014 07:18 GMT

#1438

On January 29 2014 16:16 kushm4sta wrote:

Show nested quote +

elucidate it to you
and no

What?

You proposed two scenarios suggesting DIRECTLY that was more was plausible, perhaps likely, than the other.

I want to know why.

You can't just throw out statements and not back them up.

Accountability, son.

Mocsta

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January 29 2014 07:31 GMT

#1443

On January 29 2014 16:24 kushm4sta wrote:
2 scenarios
mocsta/balla scum, bm town
bm scum, mocsta/balla town
It doesn't take rocket science to figure out why I think the first is more likely.

Well I'm stupid

So aside from personal prejudice I can't figure it out

Enlighten me

Mocsta

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January 29 2014 07:44 GMT

#1447

On January 29 2014 16:32 kushm4sta wrote:
an interaction between bum and balla leads me to believe that they cant both be mafia
something mocsta said about bum leads me to believe they can't both be mafia.

OK that's acceptable

I got the logic for the scenarios

I wasn't sure why one was higher chance than the other

Carry on

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January 29 2014 07:51 GMT

#1449

What.

Every game op says be careful on irc as u can't be sure who u r talking to.

Are you mod killing me.....

Mocsta

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January 29 2014 07:52 GMT

#1450

F u oats

I know u reported me

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January 29 2014 07:53 GMT

#1451

This is my last post

Bum coag oats

And slam

Mocsta

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January 29 2014 07:55 GMT

#1453

Sweet

Bbl

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January 29 2014 11:09 GMT

#1466

Well its been 12hrs since lynch and I am really surprised by the quanity of no shows from the shit list.
{Bum, Balla, Skanjab} - Nothing
Slam been around, so has Oats

Seriously, I thought the hours directly after the lynch were compatible with Americanos for posting (i.e. 8pm - 12pm) ish.

hhmmmm

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January 29 2014 11:10 GMT

#1468

On January 29 2014 20:08 kushm4sta wrote:
bum's activity pattern looks pretty similar nmm ep 1.
I haven't seen the PMs but im sure they exist because they wouldn't be able to discuss the logic of the pms on such a high level if they didn't exist.

Keep in mind the context, which is hard for you because you weren't in game at the time.
Bum put forth a plan where everyone vote for mayor early. He pmed some people, me, balla, not sure who else,about how he was doing the plan because he wanted everyone to vote for mayor so he could analyze those votes.
Bum said he was really into analyzing votes atm.
Then Bum comes into the thread calling balla scummy because of logical leaps. Balla explains that what he said is not so much a logical leap as it is pointing out a flaw in bum's plan, the assumption of connections before someone has been flipped.
Anyway it's just impossible that they are both scum. I think scum balla could easily shit on bum's plan in this way though.

I assume this is a mental slip and you meant "Low"

Otherwise the argument is already debunked.

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January 29 2014 11:15 GMT

#1470

On January 29 2014 20:11 kushm4sta wrote:
how is the argument debunked?

high level means its discussed briefly
thus, its completely plausible there was never a genuine conversation taken place.

low level infers analysis was performed, greatly increasing the odds that genuine conversation took place.

ultimately this is the core of the argument.
That the conversation between balla/bum is genuine.

Instead of dicking around with Rayn about who is right or wrong.
I think the best solution is to ask for the PM proof (if it is required) to then reassess the read.

From my perspective, we can't lynch 3 people in 1 cycle. And i dont want to bog the main scumspect with 1million questions either.

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January 29 2014 11:21 GMT

#1473

On January 29 2014 20:18 kushm4sta wrote:
meanwhile mocsta is still scummy as hell. dat badge of mocsta dominance. still there.

disagreeing with your opinion does not make someone scummy.

what i stated is accordance with my previous post.

There has been too much bickering/tunneling over information not getting updated simply because people required for questioning are not present.

The bitching between you/rayn above is an example of the above.
Does it matter if balla OR bum cant be scum together?

No, because we can only lynch one and both have questions to answer.

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January 29 2014 11:23 GMT

#1474

On January 29 2014 20:17 kushm4sta wrote:
there's no way they are having that discussion about a pm conversation that didn't exist.
Here is what Bum pmed me. He probably pmed the same thing or something similar to balla.

Show nested quote +

Kush.
Rayn + BC both had 8 votes.

That was almost a majority and what I would strongly consider to me "alot of votes".

Did Bum come to you in PMs with this analysis?; because i dont recall it being injected into the thread.

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January 29 2014 11:28 GMT

#1478

u want me to go away from the public thread so then u can call me scum for being afk

lol

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January 29 2014 13:02 GMT

#1525

welcome back skanjab

i was about to destroy kush on LoL PyP quotes
but first I will address you effort.

brb

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January 29 2014 13:19 GMT

#1526

On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Lower Priority Reads
Skanjabs
I would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more.
I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place.

On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
This is his only reasoning for me being his 3rd highest scumread. It's that I said I think coag is scum. Coag, who is his second highest scumread (Also for terrible reasoning, as kush has pointed out). This logic does not make sense from a town perspective, and is incredibly weak.

Explain why it doesnt make sense from a town perspective, and moreso why it is weak.

I have a specific reason why Coag came into my mind. You instead randomly conjure him as a scumread -- one that I think is accurate as well. In my quote I actually argue your sentence actually applies to yourself.

On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Oats
I dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action.

You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players?

On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
For Oats, he gives this pile of ass. "You have done some very townie things, but then you did this one thing that I don't see town doing" A completely null read. The thing that he gives Oats a townread for isn't even a town-tell. Scum and town can both be emotionally invested in the game, and Oats as scum HAS been emotionally invested in the past.

He ends this off with an incredibly easy to answer question, which would serve to remove his "suspicion" from Oats.
I can definitely see these two as a scumteam. But I'll save the connection stuff for after Mocsta flips.

I dont give a shit how Oats plays on OMGUS. He has a commonly accepted specific meta tell to his scum play and that is emotional investment. Again refer to PyP LoL, a game where Coag, oats and myself were all scum. oats was lynched BECAUSE of emotional investment.

The most interesting thing I see here is the bolded, specifically: the scum team according to you is Coag, myself and now Oatsmaster.

Please outline why Oatsmaster is scum as this is the first I have heard of it from you.

On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Balla24
I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me.
Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us.

Can you please update me with your read on Oats.
Also, what do you make of the VE kill?

On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
-Says his activity seems to have dropped, just as bum's has.
For bum, he thinks that "after an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game" and that this "makes a lot of sense as scum."
But for Balla, this very same thing is a null-tell, because other people think he is town?
This does not make logical sense unless he is fabricating reasoning for Bum being scum.

How are Bum and Balla following similar paths in this game. You are cherry picking phrases to mix apples and oranges.

If you need it paraphrased: I state that I can't get an updated read on Balla because hes ignoring me.
If this continues into Day2 I will find it scummy he is avoiding me.

The icing on the cake:

On January 29 2014 21:04 Skanjab1s wrote:
The Coag thing isn't accurate at all

Explain. An easy statement backed up by nothing.

Because again, all the points above read as a smear campaign. No thought, no effort, no substance.

Mocsta

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January 29 2014 13:19 GMT

#1527

sorry that took 15min, was meant to be 2min but had to take a phone call.