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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 14 2014 13:26 GMT
#61
On January 14 2014 22:25 marvellosity wrote:
Because I already knew the correct answer with absolute certainty

It does not matter if you know, if they distract all the other capable townies you lose ~80% of scumhunting potential in the game.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 14 2014 13:27 GMT
#62
It was so annoying to come back from my evening out to find the thread talking about the only thing that was actually pretty certain in the game, which is the masons' alignment.

rayn calling me mafia for covering it up? It was all so unbelievably ludicrous
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 13:27:46
January 14 2014 13:27 GMT
#63
On January 14 2014 22:26 syllogism wrote:
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On January 14 2014 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2014 22:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 14 2014 15:25 Coagulation wrote:
and to be fair it was like the most useless 5th anyway.

we'd almost made a 4-man confirmed circle of players who weren't getting killed anytime soon. We have a very different understanding of useless.

You and BH together wasted 10 hours of time for one of the most capable player in this game (based purely on the time people devote to the game).

You were not only useless you were playing towards mafia's wincon.

That was entirely your fault

I strongly disagree. I don't think you even know what happened.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 14 2014 13:27 GMT
#64
On January 14 2014 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 22:25 marvellosity wrote:
Because I already knew the correct answer with absolute certainty

It does not matter if you know, if they distract all the other capable townies you lose ~80% of scumhunting potential in the game.

You weren't being capable at the time if you thought they could be mafia

there's nothing else to say about it
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 14 2014 13:28 GMT
#65
why do you think I showed no urgency about getting the logs in a hurry and I was really dismissive?

It's because it wasn't even worth thinking about.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 14 2014 13:28 GMT
#66
Well whatever. I am not playing PM games because people do not know how to play PM games.
So this discussion is quite useless.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 14 2014 13:28 GMT
#67
On January 14 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On January 14 2014 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
should've just listened to me in the first place when I said there was 0 chance they were mafia :/

The thing is i know you most likely don't read all the logs and check the timestamps and stuff (afaik you did not even read the ve-wos log). I do.

And that's why those fuckers were anti-town.
Like i asked them to give you the logs. Why not just say "okay, we'll do that".
Instead BH comes with some bullshit "what if 'PM's to me". Fucking distraction.

thats playing to his wincon. He was trying to make sure he didn't out bumatlarge to anyone else.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 14 2014 13:31 GMT
#68
For shits and giggles:

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From: raynpelikoneet [ 12705 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: VERY SRS BSNZ!!
Date: 1/14/14 07:40
I'll say this one more time. If there are no logs they are scum. There is no reason there is no logs unless they are fakeclaiming. I don't give a fuck how stupid it sounds because we are talking about Blazinghand here.

If There Are No Logs They Are Mafia. I guarantee you that.
Original Message From marvellosity:
i've asked

there is like a 0.01% chance that 3 of a mafia team out themselves like this though. i will be absolutely stunned in a way i havent been close to being stunned in mafia if they are scum

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Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
I am calm and i don't understand why can't you just clarify the situation in case i am doing something wrong.
1) They have no logs and there is nothing elzse going on -> they are scum
2) They are not masons and they are something else that confirms them town -> why can't you just say that's the case instead of havin gme have a headache about this and wasting my time.

It's clear, if they still claim masons and have no logs they are 100% mafia - there is no other explanation.

Original Message From marvellosity:
you do that sweetie. when you calm down i will still be here.

Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
Well i am PMing this to all my townreads.

Original Message From marvellosity:
this is why i am mayor and you arent

Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
Are you mafia?
If they have no logs they are mafia. It's that simple.

Original Message From marvellosity:
i'm willing to not agree and simply agree to lynch all 3 claims in lylo if they are all alive.

Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
I am 100% sure they are fakeclaiming if there are no logs.
100% sure. rayn guarantee.

Original Message From marvellosity:
fakeclaiming 3 people is insane though. i cant believe it for now

Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
Hey, this is very important.

This is what Hopeless PM'd me:
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+ Show Spoiler +

After this we talked in IRC:
+ Show Spoiler +

After this i make a post in thread:
[quote]

Blazinghand starts PMing me:
"Subject: something better"
+ Show Spoiler +

So, seriously.
If there are no logs - have those fuckers shot, they are fakeclaiming.
They are so so so very much fakeclaiming if there are no logs.

Fucking bodyguard fishing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 14 2014 13:36 GMT
#69
I think if y'all really want to discuss the first game further it should be done in the first thread.

No point in shitting up this one.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 14 2014 13:37 GMT
#70
The thing is he refused to give the logs to marv, who already knew bum was mason, for ~3 hours.
If i was in BH's situation as mafia, i would have faked convincing logs 100%. I am sure BH is capable of doing something like that as mafia.

The bottom line is not that you refused to give the logs to me. It's that there is no reason to start squirming and refuse to give the logs to a confirmed town (marv) in the first place for 3 hours and make somebullshit PM's to me about it.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 14 2014 13:37 GMT
#71
how is it shitting it up? it's just a conversation

is there anything else going on that's being distracted from?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 14 2014 13:37 GMT
#72
smh rayn. you went full pants on head and you have no one but yourself to blame.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 14 2014 13:38 GMT
#73
I recieved those but I didn't read them becase I didn't want to trick myself into doubting the mason claims
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 14 2014 13:39 GMT
#74
On January 14 2014 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The thing is he refused to give the logs to marv, who already knew bum was mason, for ~3 hours.
If i was in BH's situation as mafia, i would have faked convincing logs 100%. I am sure BH is capable of doing something like that as mafia.

The bottom line is not that you refused to give the logs to me. It's that there is no reason to start squirming and refuse to give the logs to a confirmed town (marv) in the first place for 3 hours and make somebullshit PM's to me about it.

logs that ended up breaking the game. Should I blame you for being so abrasive that BH didn't stop to think about his actions when pming marv?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 13:40:57
January 14 2014 13:40 GMT
#75
On January 14 2014 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The thing is he refused to give the logs to marv, who already knew bum was mason, for ~3 hours.
If i was in BH's situation as mafia, i would have faked convincing logs 100%. I am sure BH is capable of doing something like that as mafia.

The bottom line is not that you refused to give the logs to me. It's that there is no reason to start squirming and refuse to give the logs to a confirmed town (marv) in the first place for 3 hours and make somebullshit PM's to me about it.


nvm i misread
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 14 2014 13:40 GMT
#76
It's impossible to explain anything to you Hopeless. Fine, you just don't get it.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 14 2014 13:42 GMT
#77
In all seriousness, the lesson, and it applies to other circumstances, is this:

It doesn't matter if people are being retarded. It doesn't matter if people are being stupid. It doesn't matter if people are being uncooperative for no reason.

Why?

Because there is a practically 0% chance that 3 mafia connect themselves and out themselves to the thread/me in such a ludicrous way. NOTHING ELSE AT ALL MATTERS. Everything else is unimportant fluff. People would save themselves time if they just assess likelihoods properly in the first place.

You can go "omg if you always think this then maybe mafia try this in the future?!?!?!?"

No. Because then you have "confirmed town" masons alive in LYLO and you kill them. Or the cop checks them. Or anything! Mafia will never try this because it's suicide, because after 6 cycles if confirmed town masons are alive something is wrong. But it doesn't happen.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 14 2014 13:46 GMT
#78
Given the position mafia was in when Hopeless claimed and given that would mean bum/BH/Hopeless + someone as scum yes, i could see Blazinghand make that retarded play as mafia. I don't know if i should cry or laugh as i even considered that.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 14 2014 13:47 GMT
#79
On January 14 2014 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's impossible to explain anything to you Hopeless. Fine, you just don't get it.

no rayn, you concocted this conspiracy theory when the simple answer was that we didnt want to paint a target on our backs. We didnt make ourselves a distraction. I tried to use my "confirmed" town status to get townreads from people in an attempt to assist marv choose his bodyguards (not that he needed it) because I thought that was a useful thing to do during the night phase when they were still available to be chosen. You took this action to be purely mafia motivated and proceed to shit up the thread and rage when we don't want to share everything with you.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 14 2014 13:49 GMT
#80
On January 14 2014 22:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's impossible to explain anything to you Hopeless. Fine, you just don't get it.

no rayn, you concocted this conspiracy theory when the simple answer was that we didnt want to paint a target on our backs. We didnt make ourselves a distraction. I tried to use my "confirmed" town status to get townreads from people in an attempt to assist marv choose his bodyguards (not that he needed it) because I thought that was a useful thing to do during the night phase when they were still available to be chosen. You took this action to be purely mafia motivated and proceed to shit up the thread and rage when we don't want to share everything with you.

The problem is there is zero townie reason to ask if i have discussed bodyguards with marv.
I have no idea what you were thinking but that was so scummy. I asked about it from 10 players and they all went "yeah, that dude who did it is so scum".
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