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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 27 2014 07:43 GMT
#721
He has NOT been quite active. That's completely false.

If he's been active with you in PMs that's fine, but he has NOT been active in the thread. I'm his biggest scumread and he has failed to explain to /anyone/ that I'm aware of why. Except Alak now I guess. And since you've been in PM contact with him, you too.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 27 2014 07:46 GMT
#722
Yeah I'm not sure why you are his scum read. Somebody having a scum read on you doesn't make them scum. He could easily sit back and attack people more likely to get lynched than you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 27 2014 07:48 GMT
#723
Regardless I don't like the reads. BH has been active and Mocsta doesn't seem scummy to me either. Pretending to be someone else on IRC isn't indicative of scum, and Mocsta has pretty clearly been busy.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 27 2014 07:48 GMT
#724
That's not my reason for thinking he's scum man, I'm just illustrating the fact that he's not active in the thread. IF he were active in the thread, then his reasoning for thinking I'm scum would be somewhere right? But it's not, he's passively watching the thread and interjecting, playing the game from PMs. You're grossly misrepresenting his play, while using a metric that specifically counters the conclusion you're offering.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 27 2014 07:49 GMT
#725
LETS VOTE FOR VE
##unvote
##vote VE

GUYS PLS.
NOOOO BC. VEVEVEVEVE
No gg, No skill.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 27 2014 07:51 GMT
#726
Hey if it will get BH lynched faster I'm for it.

##Unvote
##Vote: VE


I gave BC a chance to take a hard stance on BH. Post incoming.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 27 2014 07:51 GMT
#727
YOU KNOW WHAT?

## Unvote

##Vote: Alakaslam


You were right, GGTeMpLaR! We need a friggin confirmed townie. If I'm not conftown to you you are closed minded. I am not much benefitted by protection but I am definitely town! I am getting so frustrated not knowing who is scum!

I would lynch the player with the fewest posts, weighed against their contribution in those posts!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 27 2014 07:52 GMT
#728
On January 27 2014 16:51 Alakaslam wrote:
YOU KNOW WHAT?

## Unvote

##Vote: Alakaslam


You were right, GGTeMpLaR! We need a friggin confirmed townie. If I'm not conftown to you you are closed minded. I am not much benefitted by protection but I am definitely town! I am getting so frustrated not knowing who is scum!

I would lynch the player with the fewest posts, weighed against their contribution in those posts!

Alak, post incoming. Don't worry dude, it's fine.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 27 2014 07:53 GMT
#729
I'm not lynching into VE, BH, BC, or contributors. THEY CAN BE READ LATER WHEN WOTC WILL DO ITS JUST DUTY.

The lurkers tell us NOTHING by definition!

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 27 2014 07:54 GMT
#730
I AM SO PISSED THAT ALL THE VETS ARE OUT FOR EACHOTHERS THROATS
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 27 2014 07:55 GMT
#731
I'm not out for anyone's throat. BH has played a pretty obviously scummy game to me, unless I'm missing something in PM land. But my experience with him in PM land has left me relatively certain that BH is scum.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 27 2014 07:57 GMT
#732
bc and coag are pm dodging me.
scum
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 27 2014 07:58 GMT
#733
Alak, Im lynching into scum. dunno about you.
No gg, No skill.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 27 2014 08:07 GMT
#734
On January 27 2014 16:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not out for anyone's throat. BH has played a pretty obviously scummy game to me, unless I'm missing something in PM land. But my experience with him in PM land has left me relatively certain that BH is scum.


Could you share the PM's please, if they're that incriminating?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 27 2014 08:10 GMT
#735
Moctsa, I'm glad you thought that was funny, but when I'm trying to talk to people and I have to worry about potential town people trolling me, it is disheartening. I'm open to talk about what you did if you want to PM me. If you value your life you will.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 27 2014 08:16 GMT
#736
bum bum bum what do you think about this big hooha?
No gg, No skill.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 27 2014 08:16 GMT
#737
I AM NOT TROLLING!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 27 2014 08:18 GMT
#738
##vote: grack
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 27 2014 08:18 GMT
#739
guys please dont PM me, its annoying.
Find me on skype, jaredtyap or IRC.
No gg, No skill.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 27 2014 08:32 GMT
#740
On January 26 2014 17:41 Blazinghand wrote:
btw if people want to vote me for mayor that's a-ok by me but ideally i think i'm just gonna figure out someone who's town and better at looking/being useful than I am and vote for them. things I would do as mayor:

A) threaten people with the hammer all the time, because I love abusing power (just ask marv!)
B) use my D1 lynch choice to slap someone in the face with my e-peen. that someone is going to be whoever is posting the least content. Normally this would be me, but since i'm not gonna lynch myself, it's going to be someone else. Right now it's skanjab. note that content =/= number of words. who I lynch will be determined entirely by me for reasons that may seem arbitrary. note, however, that they are not arbitrary simply because I do not share them with you peos.
C) anyone who wants to PM me can.
D) i can't take back the words i never said

For anyone who is voting for BH, this is the platform upon which he is running.
1) Make a joke about his extra vote as mayor at his own expense.
2) Smack VE in the face with his e-peen, because according to him, VE has the LEAST amount of content in the thread. Note that content =/= number of words. His reasoning is arbitrary, but it's not arbitrary.
3) States a rule to the game
4) Random and inapplicable platitude

Here is why I think BH is scum
His first act in the game was to tell me that Alakaslam claimed a non-vanilla power role to me. It was in response to me misinterpreting a post from GGTemplar, and I thought that a subject-change timing was odd. BH sent me the following PM:

Original Message From Blazinghand:
oh yeah. that's totes suspicious. so slam claimed (<veteran>) to me in pms just now, and i'm wondering if perhaps he fell for ggtemp's fishing earlier and ggtemp is trying to get him removed via lynch? the thing is, if that were the case slam would have said so... I think.

Show nested quote +
Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Meh there will always be fluffy policy-vote-trolls. I was more interested in him discussing the whole blue-hunting thing that happened in PMs. With him talking about policy-voting Slam right after it makes me think that a scum WAS indeed involved if he is in fact scum - just not sure who or what based on what's being said and by whom.

Original Message From Blazinghand:
everything today seems to be shit

ggtemp getting on slam is probably ggtempscum going for an easy case imo

what you think


The thing that immediately struck me was "Why is he telling me this with blatant disregard to my alignment"? I tried to consider it from a town perspective...he can't be sure of my alignment based on what's in the thread at this point, and my point against GGTemplar was relatively weak to begin with, so I'm not sure what makes him so sure that I'm town?

You might be asking yourself: Self...but why wouldn't scum just keep that info to themselves and just shoot Alak in the night?"

Well, the claimed player is Alakaslam. And the claiming player is Blazinghand. It's obviously not going to take much for BH to sway Alakaslam to his way of thinking in any given situation, and it removes Alakaslam from ever needing to be shot, rendering his power useless. Alakaslam isn't often a scum NK anyway, so it's pretty much pointless to keep that info to themselves if they hadn't planned on shooting him anyway.

At any rate, so that's the PM stuff. BH was not concerned about my alignment because he knew I was town. It betrays his mindset - he felt safe claiming to me because as scum he already knows my alignment. Here's the stuff from the thread that I find suspicious.

On January 27 2014 03:49 Blazinghand wrote:
QuantumPope is probably not scum. He made a worthless fluffly list post, but he provided a little bit of follow-up, and if he is scum, this following reasoning for his post is probably the most chutzpah i've ever seen in a human being:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2014 03:41 QuantumPope wrote:
I generalized to be concise. Long posts that doesn't seem to say anything, for instance the one I am quoting, doesn't really do anything for town. I could write a 2000 word post going into specifics of various individuals in the thread but I find it posts like that only hinder town. Your personal attacks on my character also seem to be unsubstantiated so I'd love for you could please elaborate on the following


This is consistent with him posting the post he posted earlier. If he's scum faking this mindset, I will stand corrected, but I don't really see a scum player getting pressure for a list post writing that long posts are bad and then attacking his attacker in this fashion. QP as scum could have easily changed course (especially this early in the day) in response to town pressure. this kind of stubbornness would be sub-optimal for scum.


At the time this post on QP was completely unnecessary. QP hadn't even had a chance to come in and defend himself, The thread was waiting on BH to do something other than make phoney attempts at contributing by making parody mayoral campaigns. His first bit of content was hard defending a player FROM another player. HOW does that make sense? Like, doesn't it follow that when one person has a suspicion of another person and posts reasoning for it, the other person should respond to the accusations? If BH is town and looking for information as to others' alignments, why does he feel the need to interject here and argue with BC over this read? Here's his response:

On January 27 2014 04:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2014 04:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On January 27 2014 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 27 2014 03:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On January 27 2014 03:56 Blazinghand wrote:
OK WAIT seriously what are the reasons that anyone thinks I'm scum? Like it's cool if you think I'm scum, I'd just like someone to write a case kkthxbai

How about you just stop being so scummy?


Fair enough, having read that question I immediately know what your concerns are oh no wait the opposite of that



Idk about them, but for me personally:

I liked your post at first and was like "oh shit maybe QP is town, especially his latest post I liked a lot - this BH guy is my top town for pointing this out before anyone else"

Then I thought "well wouldn't it be super pro if a mafia made the first post that caused everyone to realize QP is town to get town cred"

Then I decided I wasn't actually sold on QP yet as town or mafia and that he still leaned scummy - and even if he's town it could be either scenario so I will null-read for now but you haven't really done anything besides that QP read.


don't bother with giving me towncred for defending QP. just realize that QP is an "easy" lynch, and not because he's scummy, but because his thought process, which seems internally consistent to me, is foreign to other players. He's the kind of guy who can get lynched D1, flip town, and we'll go into D2 basically going "well, that happened" because that's what happens to players like QP. just don't lynch him today, see how it goes. If he's still unreadable in a day, we have more lynches. I look at QP and I see a wagon that is suspiciously easy, if that makes sense.

Because he's an easy lynch. Why? How? BC has made one observation, and Kush has agreed with him, so suddenly he's an easy lynch? At this point I don't think QP has even answered the accusation made against him in the first place. It's all just out of place and unnecessary. BH doesn't even respond to the point MADE by BC he's just all "FULL STOP, THIS GUY IS TOWN."

So what about who he thinks is scum then? At this point it's only grack.

On January 27 2014 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
Hm, well I'd say right now I'm not a huge grack fan. he has been opting out of the general discourse of "who should we lynch" and "who should we elect to be mayor" with his farcical mayoral campaign-- it's obvious he's not going to win, and not putting any effort into trying to win. That being said, it's just trolly enough to dismiss as "trolling" without him showing up on people's radars. Barring some extreme lurker still lurking at the end of D1, I'd say Grack is my most solid lynch choice today. He also sent me a PM asking who we should shoot tonight, which I assume was trolling as well. Regardless: he's opting out. probably scum.


Like, even his scumread is a troll. Look at the bolded statement. He thinks grack is scum because he's trolling running for mayor. Repeatedly discrediting Grackaroni's campaign by referring to is as trolly, and trolling, farcical. But that's not what I see when I read Grack's filter. Grack's campaign looks relatively legit - tired of vets pushing you around? Vote for the little guy kind of stuff. Balla ran with a similar theme. Emphasis on lynching a vet though, if he finds one suspicious. NOT afraid to do that. But again, this is BH's reasoning for voting for him for mayor.
On January 26 2014 18:12 Blazinghand wrote:
cause let's be real here there's only one reason to vote for me and one to vote against me

1. vote for me cause i'm freakin awesome and you want more bh in th egame. bh catches scum. bh is terrific. yay
1. you personally don't like bh

but i gotta give all kinds of fake reasons and shit cause that's what people expect. you see, people won't just vote me cause i'm awesome though maybe they should, i have to play the role of someone that people would vote for. this means making bold claims about what to do with my vote, and who i will lynch today. this means making the right kinds of noises so that people have the feeling that they're doing the right thing when they vote for me.

I hosted ET and at least skimmed every post in it, but i don't remember what happened other than that scum won.


Now he's saying he wants to lynch me. He's given no reason to the thread. I'm sure he has a reason. I want to hear it before anyone else votes for BH.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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