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On January 15 2014 00:19 Grackaroni wrote: hahaha Rayn you must be getting close to having played the most games on TL at this point. soon.. soon. Probably sooner if all the games end on N1 or D2 which seems to be the trend lately.  | ||
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On January 15 2014 00:22 Grackaroni wrote: I think it's because you keep winning... Gmarshal nerf Rayn please. "must lynch town on D1 and D2". | ||
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On January 15 2014 00:53 marvellosity wrote: I just happened to roll Lightning Rod in Ego, yes? Let's determine the power roles and mafia from spot numbers, use Dandel's host meta from Ego. Easy game! ^^ Fuck i am mafia, so is thrawn and toad.  | ||
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On January 15 2014 04:37 Dandel Ion wrote: We're full now, so if everybody is able to clench their buttcheeks we'll start tomorrow at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) You mean in like 4 hours? | ||
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On January 16 2014 06:04 thrawn2112 wrote: my lkeybiopard ios very fuckled up especoialklky the enter kley siop IDK hiow effectoive my piostoing wiolklk be This game is gonna be awesome. thrawn is claiming a biopard btw. | ||
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On January 16 2014 09:54 thrawn2112 wrote: hey toad. when you were posting as LSB Banking in that fail game were you trying to hide your identity? Even for a little while? What's this? | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:17 Koshi wrote: Hi rayn! I am totes town. What's Vayne? | ||
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I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe it's because i didn't really pay attention to Toad's posts because i knew who he was and the slot was mafia anyways. I might know but in that case no... so please share? | ||
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On January 16 2014 19:02 Koshi wrote: Feels like Skanjab is doing the same as in Hogwarts only more tryhard. But I like the case. So meh. More interested in Oats atm. Not going to let him live because he is in people their face. It is proven he can do it as scum. Koshi why do you like the case? And in what game has Oats does what he did here as scum? Having a shitfest with me does not count. | ||
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On January 16 2014 20:36 Koshi wrote: That's not how I read him. It always have been If Oats is in your face and being annoying he is town, when Oats is distanced & shifty he is scum. In PYP he was picking fights with everybody early game, I have read that filter a million times. If he didn't quit playing after D3 I would have never putted him down as scum. This game it is the same but it can be both now. And somebody said he was town for being in your face. Yes and that's what i said in my last post. So what is your read on him now? | ||
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Are you really interested in Oats' alignment? | ||
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On January 16 2014 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote: well he posted a gif. from what koshi said. Srs Vayne is scum Vayne, joke vayne is town vayne. Do you disagree? To some extent but yes, i have a townread on Vayne that's pretty strong. On January 16 2014 20:54 Koshi wrote: There was nothing else to say. If I had to pick somebody out of them I would pick thrawn as town, and I refuse to see Oats as town as well for that reason. Which was what everybody was saying. So rayn, why is Oats 100% town? I don't think i have said Oats is town, have i? I have a problem with you making a post where you imply you are most interested in Oats' alignment at the moment and then you proceed on saying "what Oats did is not alignment indicative" without even commenting on what he actually did. | ||
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On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote: Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time. (1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum? (2) What will you be remembered for this game? (3) How do you react to pressure? (4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved? Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way. (1) town (2) stupid question (3) depends on the pressure and my alignment (4) emo | ||
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On January 16 2014 21:56 Skanjab1s wrote: No there isn't, there are an infinite number of legit answers to it that are helpful, but anyway this is irrelevant Hopefully in about 10 hours you explain to us what you learned from the answers. Koshi, why are you not trying to figure out the alignment ofthe person who interests you most atm? | ||
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On January 16 2014 22:17 kushm4sta wrote: Oats it disconcerts me that a player known for having a much stronger scumgame than towngame is going all in your face tryhard. Trying = scum usually for you. Explain, who are you talking about in the first sentence? | ||
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Also there is only one important question to you. It's about your questionnaire, which was bad. Sooner or later you need to explain why you decided to do a bad questionnaire which can't possibly help you find mafia. | ||
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You said I will eventually have to explain what I wanted to find with the questions, which I will do, I'm not going to do that now, as not everyone has answered them. Also, the questionnaire wasn't bad at all, and it can definitely help me find mafia, just because you aren't able to see how doesn't make it bad. This is possibly true. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:06 Hopeless1der wrote: your questionnaire was stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to. I suggest you answer it truthfully. It gives us a better read on Skan. | ||
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On January 16 2014 18:04 Skanjab1s wrote: His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone. Like this is what Sn0 says: On January 16 2014 12:03 Sn0_Man wrote: Oke you word-lawyer'd me. How about some COMMENTS with your commentary then? PS: hopeless for scum. Too many "i'm totally contributing" 1-liners and easy snipes plus seems overly interested in cementing a lynch with 40 hours left in the day. If someone consideres this as "incredibly tentative, careful comment" then i don't know what to say. So, i stand by my words that Skanjab1s is just making shit up. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:10 Toadesstern wrote: hey rayn, are you town? yup, so are thrawn and Vayne. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:22 Toadesstern wrote: had nothing to do with my question, seems stupid on it's own. I can figure that kind of stuff out myself, so why feel the need to "show-off" and toss around town-reads. By the way I hate people going around with town-reads, not just limited to you. They're easy to do, for both mafia and town, mostly because you don't have to lie as mafia and if you go around talking about them you take away the "easy" work other townies can do for themselves if they're not capable to scumhunt themselves (assuming they're believing you). So yeah I really don't see a reason why you'd feel the need to tell me thrawn and Vayne are town except for show off or maaaaaybe annoyed but I don't think so. Okay what the fuck are you doing this game Toad? None of your posts say anything at all and are really ccrappy. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote: You're stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to. Literally every one that I quoted was tentative and careful, I wasn't calling that tentative and careful, hence why it wasn't included in the case, dear. What do you think of Hopeless, rayn? But you were, because you said all of his contributions.... Why are you changing your story? I don't have a read on Hopeless yet. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:33 Toadesstern wrote: I just accused you of doing stupid stuff while being in the game, that's hardly nothing. My posts were done 2 hours into the game, I went to sleep and that's the first post I just did afterwards. Of course there's not going to be any diamonds in the former. You however posted later on and it was still nothing. Also instead of saying anything you just omgus without giving any concrete example because you know you can't just post a 1 hour into the game comment and call it stupid because that's nothing out of the ordinary. Don't try to paint things differently than they are by leaving out quotes. Yet you agree with Skanjab's case. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Toadsstern | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote: hey rayn did you see when i asked about your thoughts on grack? or are you too busy with toad right now? Yeah sorry. If he does not stop trolling he is mafia. I liked his post where he said everything happened so far is dumb. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:43 Skanjab1s wrote: All of his contributions that I quoted. My story isn't changing at all. So if i take one or two posts of yours where you don't say much can i say "Skanjabs has not contributed anything at all". Does that sound like i would not be twisting what has actually happened? | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:40 Toadesstern wrote: Why does he answer that shit if he thinks it's shit, knowing that his answer is going to be shit as well? Just ignore it Are you even reading the thread? I am answering it because Skanjabs promised results when everyone has answered it. If everyone answers it he must keep his promise and tell those results. I wanna see what he actually does with the answers and how he considers them to be useful. Because i can't see it, and i won't know it if people do not answer because of his bullshit "i won't tell you bitch". | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:50 Skanjab1s wrote: That's a different scenario, because I was referring to the quotes I posted, whereas you would be referring to everything. You literally fucking said "His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone.". How am i supposed to read that? That's like quoting posts where someone defends themself and saying "this guy is not scumhunting". That's fucking twisting the facts. | ||
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That's what it is, not scumhunting and figuring out one's alignment. Now i am going to see if you were this stupid in Hogwarts game and if you were not you die. | ||
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As sad it is he could do this as town.. | ||
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On January 17 2014 01:01 Hopeless1der wrote: That is the basic idea behind what rayn is saying you did skanjab. And here you are maintaining that your case is legit and sn0 is totes scum for joking about lynching the host when there were basically no posts in thread. this. | ||
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On January 17 2014 01:05 Skanjab1s wrote: I don't think that's what rayn is saying I did, because to think I'm opting out of discussion is just silly. Also, I really hate when people strawman the case to one of its points and ignore the majority of the others to make me seem scummy/bad. So, uhh, by the way, I think you're scum, too, hopeless. That is the fucking only point that even can be relevant in your case because other point is "Sn0 is scummy for joking 5min into the game". | ||
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On January 17 2014 01:08 Skanjab1s wrote: The only point that can be relevant to my case is "sno is scum for joking", because the other point is "sno is scum for joking". What are you even saying, rayn? You have 3 points in your case: (1) Sno is joking 5min into the game, somehow this is scummy (2) Sno calls out kushmasta, somehow this is scummy (3) These contributions above are scummy because he is not really calling anyone scum (while he has in fact called Hopeless scum just a while ago). The point (3) is the only one which can be even considered to be scummy (not contributing towards scumhunting) and even that point is totally incorrect given that Sn0 has made a post about why he thinks Hopeless is mafia and that posts was not wishy-washy at all. So, what the fuck is your case about for real? | ||
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(1) His "let's lynch the host" thing, while being a joke, shows a deep lack of desire for actually wanting to find scum. (2) His non-committal OMGUS onto kush's light accusations is scummy. He attempts to discredit kush to undermine is argument and divert the attention onto his accuser, which is inherently scummy. (1) Bullshit. it's the first post in the game. how can Sn0 possibly be scumhunting in the first post in the game? (2) Why is this? Do you think kush's accusation was worth answering and if so why is that? kush is the one who comes looking scummy for that argument because he is tryharding to make something out of nothing. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:04 Skanjab1s wrote: Under that little pressure, (all kush said was "sn0s fluff seems awkward") I don't think town would react in this way. Town is more likely to either (1) Ignore it, (2) ask for elaborations, or (3) omgus aggressively, depending on how the person plays. What Sn0 did was omgus very carefully, in a way that doesn't pressure or question kush, and doesn't help sn0 find out anything about kush's alignment. Sn0 can you answer this? | ||
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I still think other reasons for calling Sn0 scum are bad or straight out wrong. | ||
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On January 17 2014 01:37 Skanjab1s wrote: Even if that was the only point in my case, why would it be scummy to then vote and pressure Sn0 for it? I feel like you think I'm scum because I'm voting for Sn0 without an ocean of non-debatable evidence behind me, and I'm not really sure why. To be clear i don't think you are scum for it. I just think wrong evidence should be called out rather than kept in the thread because it derails the discussion if it comes from town. I hope you get what i am saying. Sn0, exactly my thoughts on kush. +1 for it. | ||
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On January 17 2014 01:06 kushm4sta wrote: Please dont spam your wrongness rayn This. Posts like this. | ||
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On January 12 2014 01:00 kushm4sta wrote: The thing that sucks about making rayn mayor is he is really bad at d1. He is best at analyzing the consistency in someone's reads, but you can't really do that yet d1. kushm4sta: On January 09 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote: rayn why do i have to read the thread when i can just read some of your excellent posts instead and get summary + analysis Those are from last 2 games: Which one do you think the post i quoted from kush seems like? | ||
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On January 17 2014 02:05 Koshi wrote: dis meta case in a Dandel Ion game. META META META I don't get this. What are you trying to say? | ||
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On January 17 2014 02:07 Koshi wrote: Dandel loves meta? As in "yeah that looks really bad for Kush" What does Dandel has to do with anything in this game? | ||
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On January 17 2014 02:14 kushm4sta wrote: i dont mind getting lynched because I think it would be funny How about you give some reads and try to play the game instead? | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:11 Toadesstern wrote: why do you keep on trying to fasttalk people like that? When I got in the thread again, instead of adressing anything I did you said something like that as well if I recal correctly. You're doing this shit again, now with Mig because there's a difference of opinion here? No, because Mig usually comments on actually important stuff in thread, not on bullshit like the case on Sn0, which is terrible. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:32 Toadesstern wrote: 1) again, the case might be terrible but that's to be expected early on. Doesn't change the fact that something in it still had something to it and therefore is worth talking about. 2) if you think so, say so instead of throwing mud without anything that even resembles an explanation. People might believe there's something to what you say when someone like you writes stuff like that... There might be something to it but it'd be a lot cooler if you could at least give an abridged version of an explanation when calling someone bad so people can make up their own minds. Otherwise people might show up and blame you for abusing your vet status for getting people to sheep you. 1) What is that something? I still don't see it. I don't see anyone reasonably explaining why Sn0 is mafia. 2) I am saying so.. rofl. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:35 Mig wrote: Rayn, you still havent explained why there is no way Sno is mafia. Because this is exactly what he does as town. Also about half of the players are attacking him and noone is even talking about anything else besides me, so unless me and him are both mafia there is no way he is mafia as mafia is just letting town to attack one of their own. I am not mafia so fuck the above. Do you think kush is scum or not? Why is he giving up in this game? | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:42 Skanjab1s wrote: Once you wipe rayn's semen off of your eyes go back and read and see that his reasons for thinking the points on my case were wrong are based on a misunderstanding That's not what i said. | ||
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1) "The way he is posting" is a bullshit argument. It's an argument people use when they can't make real arguments. It's just like saying "his tone is scummy". Look at his past games, come back and tell me how does it differ. All the games, not just one. 2) No, i have been saying it all the time. Explain, with quotes. All the time, after Mig posted, i have said his posts are suspicious. If you are talking about something else here explain what and elaborate properly. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:45 Skanjab1s wrote: I know, it doesn't matter what you said, it only matters what is right. Then why the fuck do you say otherwise in your first post? | ||
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On January 17 2014 05:05 Skanjab1s wrote: It's not personal, sunshine. You didn't answer my questionnaire, and you must be punished with 5th grade penis jokes. The horror. So now that it's quite clear the people who have not answered to your questionnaire are not gonna answer it anyways, what was the point and what did you learn? | ||
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On January 17 2014 05:24 Mig wrote: Do I have to talk to every single person 2 hours after my first post rayn? No, i just asked why are you not talking to Toad, which i would assume you would do because when i am town i am more inclined to find out the "best" players alignment first and all in all i focus on them more than to other players. I just wanted to know what's your reason for not talking with him, why are you so defensive? | ||
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Comments on kush/Mig/Toad? | ||
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On January 17 2014 06:16 thrawn2112 wrote: i stared into kush's soul and found it to my liking my toad read only accounts for what he'd posted since before I slept, but he seemed more interested than others in finding scum Could you show me these ultimate contributions to scumhunting from Toad? | ||
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On January 16 2014 17:00 thrawn2112 wrote: from what I remember koshi is a slow starter. I also remember that he stayed up late to see the game start and was likely very tired. both of those reasons make everything he posted non alignment indicative Why is Koshi scummy again? | ||
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Why is Koshi scummy in your opinion? All you say is "Koshi is a slow starter" and the next post you reference him you say "Koshi is scum i think". Why? | ||
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On January 17 2014 06:35 Toadesstern wrote: (changed because only adressing that part): which is soley based on your sn0 read that apparently clashes with mine? No it's based on you agreeing with Skanjabs' case which i can't see a townie your caliber doing. | ||
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On January 17 2014 06:43 Toadesstern wrote: could be, I only remember playing with him one game and he was town that game and I always confused him with vayne (who was in that game as well) because their names, shortned, are just so damn alike so I'm not really having a good memory of his playstyle (no I don't consider the failgame a game). I'm not really going to reread older games for that though. If this is true it's odd though. Yeah "random" my ass, there's no way Mig, rayn and I are all town. That means I'm either pulling a GM here or rayn's mafia. He did say he likes establishing reads on big players first. That contraticts with his reasoning above... he's basing a read on me on a read on someone else, who I might add, hasn't flipped yet... And this is crap. Dandel is one of the hosts that actually randoms scum for reals. | ||
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On January 17 2014 06:55 Toadesstern wrote: you're someone who reads older games right? How come you haven't read a single game of mine? Because that and "I'd shoot that if I was a dayvig" are probably the most common phrases I ever say. Supersoft and I are both really known for going about games like that. So if we assume the above is correct and feel free to check older games of me, Aren't you supposed to be someone you can distinguish between "we lynch people for being scummy, not for being bad (your interpretation that I'm bad, I don't actually agree on that part)" never talk to me about supersoft. please. Also i don't see your point? You are not saying anything. | ||
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On January 17 2014 07:00 Toadesstern wrote: "pulling a GM" = I'm agreeing with mafias while defending mafias. It therefore reads as "that means I'm either going fullretard right now, agreeing with Mig (mafia) while attacking a townie (sn0), or rayne is the one being mafia" So why are you voting for a townie then? | ||
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On January 17 2014 07:04 Toadesstern wrote: No, it literally says "it's either mig being mafia, sn0 town, rayn town ; OR mig town, sn0 mafia, rayn whatever". It's a big "EITHER OR" phrase... On January 17 2014 07:11 Hopeless1der wrote: no that statement says mig os scum or rayn is scum. with the corollary that sn0 is town if mig is scum Please expand. | ||
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On January 17 2014 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about you give some reads and try to play the game instead? go! | ||
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##Vote: kushm4sta He is mafia. | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:01 Hopeless1der wrote: can i lynch you if your wrong rayn? yes | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:11 VayneAuthority wrote: these deals are things rayn does as town and then town usually lynches him for it, I don't think ive ever actually been in these games until this one tho wow no, i did it once and we lynched scum. i don't do it unless i am sure. | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:14 kushm4sta wrote: so rayn your case is based on the presumption that I am mean to you as mafia and nice to you as town. And you have a sample size of two. No my case is you say stupid shit that does not make any sense at all as mafia and you don't do that as town. | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn I think toad is scum if he is actually serious about this Well he is scum too so... | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:19 kushm4sta wrote: hmm ok what stupid scummy shit have i said this game? btw i believe everythiing I ever said about you when i was scum. just fyi, Things about me and Oats. If you are town you start saying things that make sense. If you are not you continue with this trolling behavior. | ||
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Grack seems like he doesn't give a fuck, he could be mafia too. | ||
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In this game you have lied about me, Oats and Sn0. Lied. Said stuff that is not true, because you don't either care to check to confirm or you just make shit up to try to make someone look worse. | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:22 kushm4sta wrote: (1) yeah my shit about oats that I admit. (2) i think you have an atrocious d1, a horrible track record proving that, and I have always been upfront in that believe. doesn't make me scum. On January 17 2014 10:52 kushm4sta wrote: (3) @thrawn in wc2 he attacks people in almost all his posts 1) You yourself say you are lying. 2) You are lying, easily provable, i did that in last game already. 3) thrawn proved you are lying. lies lies lies. die scum. | ||
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On January 17 2014 21:58 kushm4sta wrote: my case on oats was shit. It wasn't a lie. What I said about sn0. I did not use the right words for describing how he is different. Mig's is much better. But his first several posts are all attacking WoS. Was what I said about all his posts attacking an exaggeration? yes Yes he attacks WoS in EXACTLY SAME FUCKING WAY he did attack you in this game in the beginning. And you guys call him scum for it. Fucking terrible. | ||
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From this point on i am ignoring him completely. Someone shoot him. kushmasta is not a vanilla townie so he is either blue or scum. His posting is scum so he is most likely scum. However his rule violation (which leads to dick move analysis) says he is town. So there scum -> shoot his blue role, he is not vanilla. He ignored Cephiro's post where Cephiro claims vanilla, if he had vanilla PM he would have read it and called Cephiro out as well like he did with Hopeless. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Mig | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 17 2014 11:02 Toadesstern wrote: I skimmed his filter. I didn't see stuff that resembled posts like these: I really have a hard time picturing a townie post like the above. I see posts like this (picked because of red letters and they stand out): in WC2 instead. That's completly different. It's way later in the game, I'll give you that but it's nowhere close to being as apologetically as in his responses to Mig/Me/Kush. Can you give me a name of a game where we was mafia? I know I should be searching that stuff myself and there's a handy trick about it with clicking someone's profile but I never read old games and always forget how to search for that stuff... Explain to me what is the point of those 2 posts when they are clearly no value as you just said? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 18 2014 01:07 Toadesstern wrote: so we have posts like + Show Spoiler [this from failgame] + On January 12 2014 00:44 kushm4sta wrote: jat, wos, maybe bh. So many people haven't said anything yet though. No idea if you are scummy marv, because you've done shit all in the thread. If you want a lazy policy lynch like captobv, there many posters with similarly little content. capt obv-tstbs I can't imagine a scum actually opening like capt obv, unless they were TRYING to look tooscummytobescum. And I don't think most people do that. oh wait i can see the future and i just know you are going to ask why for my scumreads... jat- the new site-wide scum meta is to defend kush, which he did immediately. he doesnt look super townie which he normally does cool story Whenever you find a quote you can say "cool story" to, the poster is probably scum. ~~~~~~~~ WoS keeps asking about things that townies don't even care about. He engages in endless policy discussion, never giving his opinion on anything other than he doens't know if BH is town. ~~~~~~~ BH - anti connection with my other scumreads but his early push on me makes no sense, considering my uncanny scumminess in extractor. And I know scum BH likes to appear super active. which disagrees with the assumption that mafia Kush does not read filters. On the other hand we have posts like + Show Spoiler [this, also from failgame] + On January 11 2014 22:24 kushm4sta wrote: gdamn aquanim where have you been all my mafia life? that underline,bolded, and italicized line is pretty brilliant and true. Also @rayn how bad does scum have to be to make that post? pretty fucking bad. first scumgame bad. which kind of disagrees with rayn's assertion on kush. Doesn't really read like kush this game either. So I don't think you guys can read kush as good as you guys claim you're able to. So why do you do this shit when you 5min later say you don't even do this stuff? It's pretty clear these "analysis" are no value because you put zero effort on them, so what the fuck are they doing in the thread? | ||
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How does his posting in this game not work towards that goal when you compare it to WC II? You can't just take a fucking post where he calls/doesn't call someone mafia nad say "look this is totally different than what he is doing in this game". That's not meta and you should know it. | ||
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Fucking terrific. Why are you not pushing Sn0 lynch any more? You had a case that was based on meta and scummy things. Scummy things didn't go away, meta-analysis is what you yourself did, someone disagreeing with it means you are either bullshitting because you just let of it for no reason or for some other reason you have come to a conclusion Sn0 is town. What has Sn0 done now that makes you think he is town? | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:19 Toadesstern wrote: I still think he's mafia and you'd know that if you read my posts. I've been in an argument with hopeless about it. I let it go because I was the only one voting him when some people where on kush, some on hopeless and now everyone's on grack. I'm aiming for best play possible, not best play and I'm not getting sn0 lynched today, simply as that. Okay so what do you think of other people who agreed with Sn0 being mafia nad let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? Isn't that scummy to you because you think the dude is scum? Or do you just ignore it, why? | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:37 Toadesstern wrote: I mean just to put this into perspective, I think calling it [and] let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? is just a big misrepresentation kush, mig and I all kept disagreeing with you for the most of d1 and sn0 had a decent amount of votes for the longest time. I certainly wouldn't call it "as soon as someone disagreed with it" either way. It could still be anything but it's just a huge clusterfuck right now and anyone claiming he can point out at what's going on is just straight up lying. I still do believe sn0 is mafia but I'm getting cold feet about it. I don't think there's anyone who'd just be 100% certain about anything in mafia. Isn't what has happened a definition of what you bolded? You guys are not pushing for Sn0 lynch. You are not talking with him. You are not talking about him. How am i supposed to interpret this if not "letting off the case when someone disagrees with you"? Jesus, you guys think he is mafia but are not pushing his lynch... | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:58 thrawn2112 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800¤tpage=40#789 I saw you mentioning kush's #4 and stopped reading. I also don't like the most important thing you consider there to be is in spoilers. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:05 thrawn2112 wrote: nice. don't read case. call case bad. rayn you are so good at this game you never ever let your arrogance influence your reads, no definitely not No, the post where Hopeless votes for kush because of me is pure bullshit and if you don't see why Hopeless could do that as town you don't know what you are talking about. If that's the backbone of your case the case can't be good. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:08 Grackaroni wrote: You want to lynch me because sometimes I'm useless and troll as mafia. I think it would be wiser to lynch Hopeless who is never this uncooperative as town. I want to lynch you because you are good as town and you can find mafia and you don't give a shit about finding mafia in this game. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:09 Hopeless1der wrote: and you wonder why i was 100% serious about putting it to the test when he said we could lynch him if kush flipped town. If this has to do with the last game cut the fucking crap and play the game. I know i am arrogant prick but at least i don't want to lynch people / vote for someone because i think someone did something i consider stupid in last game. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:11 thrawn2112 wrote: Actually rayn, I don't think he was sheeping you. I think he was serious about lynching you if kush flips green. I see no reason in his filter that makes me think that he trusts you or town reads you enough to sheep you. The reasoning he gave was pure stupid, which is because scum need pure stupid reasoning to lynch townies. Why does he abandon his grack scum read for that? Yes and i am like 99% sure it has to do with the Blazinghand incident in last game and Hopeless is just being an idiot. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:17 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm absolutely livid right now lmao been too long since i've smoked, this is why i play games stoned. the stupididy is overwhelming so if you cant beat em join em hopelss I really really hope you aren't town. that would crush my soul This is the sad part. I can't possibly call him mafia for it. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:23 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn can you show me evidence that hopeless was mad at you in that game? mad enough at you for him to waste his vote in this game? The evidence is pretty much everything we talked post-game, in the restart thread. I'll have an hour break too, then i'm gonna re-read. | ||
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On January 18 2014 06:45 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should not focus on this claim too much and we should lynch somebody else. This post proves it. "Hopeless is my top scumread but ignore the claim and lynch someone else". Yeah no. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:43 Grackaroni wrote: How the fuck am i getting lynched right now. The reason I don't want to lynch Hopeless is because I think he is the doctor. See how he focuses on my claim and his random veteran claim. The reason he claimed VT is because he didn't want to die. There is nothing different about thug life. Koshi doesnt givea damn about the lynch being random he cares about getting mislynched. In thug life Koshi is town and he calls me scum. He is on the verge of death and he throws a fit. In here he thinks I'm scum and he is getting lynched. He says, "wauw am I getting lynched? grack totes scum" This is what i saw you doing in Golden Sun, fakeclaim veteran for lulz to lure out the real veteran. lol i am not changing my vote. Your post implies you did awwnt to find out the doctor and that was your reason for your joke claim. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:44 Sn0_Man wrote: Ceph did the same in hogwarts when he was town tho. Its pretty messed up I know, that's why this is so hard. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:44 Grackaroni wrote: Im out. Kush may be the smartest mafia player on TL. And if you believe this you deserve to be lynched. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:54 Grackaroni wrote: You guys change reads every other post. You sheep blindly and there wasn't even any logic to lynch me in the first place. It was a lurker lynch. Once I attack Kosh there is a big movement to kill me. Now this is a horrible misrepresentation of D1, but it's okay.. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn if I am town will you accept to be lynched tomorrow? Are you confident enough to trade 1 for 1? If you are town maybe you should consider playing in thses games and not just do some stupid shit. | ||
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kush has failed to say anything productive all game, posts useless lists, lies and should die. To quote WaveofShadow; Why is he allowed to continue in this game? Skanjabs made a terrible case on Sn0, the case was totally forced and it wasn't even about someone being scummy. Something pinged him and then he went to Sn0's filter and "looked for scummy stuff" like he said himself. That's not how townies make cases, so he is either scum or terrible at this game. Leaning on scum. Also right after the deadline he posts something that's very suspicious. This: On January 18 2014 09:14 Skanjab1s wrote: "Damn, I see green writing. Ohyeah, (1) grack was the last-minute hasty counter wagon to hopeless, (2) this makes it even moore likely that hopeless is scum. Fantastic" 1) This could have been said before the deadline if he really thought this, there is no reason to not give your thoughts unless you know Grack is town and just want to lynch a townie 2) See this? Stupid reasoning for Hopeless to be mafia. Again, if he thought this before the deadline why not say it? If he believed Grack is mafia then this is not even an argument because it contradicts itself. Toad & Hopeless are useless and post bad arguments. Oats is mafia Skanjabs is mafia kush is mafia If not all of them, maybe one of Toad/Hopeless - leaning on Toad. | ||
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No, that's not how townies make cases. You don't need to "try to find something scummy", you read the thread and notice scummy things and then you point them out. Not go to someone's filter and try to find something scummy.. If you do that as town that's probably why you are bad. | ||
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On January 18 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote: no reason to call people bad, rayn... but I agree and I think hopeless is town. I call bad play bad. What Skanjabs just said is either scum play or really bad play. | ||
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Toad does not mention Cephiro in his filter at all after Cephiro does something suspicious!!! I even call Cephiro out for not playing the game 24h into D1 (instead he was playing voice mafia). Apparently he also has nothing to say about Cephiro's case on Mig, which should be an interesting post for him because hw literally called one of me/Mig scum at some point. | ||
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On January 18 2014 21:58 kushm4sta wrote: reading cephiro's filter and omg it's scummy Not necessarily, he does that as town as well, lurks for 40 hours and then posts just before deadline and eventually gets lynched for it (like in Hogwarts) because he has no clue what's going on in the game. | ||
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On January 18 2014 22:11 kushm4sta wrote: eh I think skanjab is genuinely pissed at you, rayn. He got mislynched d1 in that game where SK VE got mayor. That was because SK VE did not care who to lynch and Skanjabs was not scummy in that game. He is right in saying i am an arrogant ass but that's not alignment indicative, that's the truth. Hopeless, you are the one with "guaranteed extra info". You know (or if you are scum pretend to know) that both of the wagons were town. What are your conclusions? | ||
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On January 18 2014 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey you guys who play on OMGUS. Is it normal for Skanjabs to just not say anything at all besides defend himself and make some bad cases? Like whenever there is discussion agoing on about something he just "silently watches" and does not participate.. kushm4sta could you answer this please? | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote: Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. Does it seem like this in this game? No. In this game Skanjabs is doing the opposite, which is also the opposite from LXIII where he actually followed up his scumread on VE on D1. | ||
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On January 18 2014 22:46 kushm4sta wrote: cause if it's a claim that effects my read of him. If it's not a claim I have no idea what it means. It's not a claim, obviously. He does that stuff all the time. In Titanic II he tried to fucking WIFOM scum/SK into hitting someone he wanted. And people thought he was scum for it lol. | ||
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On January 18 2014 22:51 kushm4sta wrote: so rayne you think he was troll claiming sk? I don't think he was claiming anything. Why would he do that? I don't even know what implies so? Because he said something along the lines "my reads don't matter"?? | ||
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On January 18 2014 22:53 kushm4sta wrote: Why would he think his reads don't matter? Because he has some plan and idk what he is trying to do, maybe WIFOM that he is blue, maybe double-WIFOM because he in fact is blue, who knows. Don't see any reason to say that as scum, i see reasons to say that if he is town. | ||
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On January 18 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote: I like how both Rayn and Koshi are advocating Vig shots not on ceph/Vayne/sn0 but me. Also way too many unflipped association cases. Like Koshi says I have too much info? So why would I think its a bus? I would just be like super scared of koshi and attack his bad case. I have absolutely no idea what this has to do with me because i have clearly said i don't think any of those three people are mafia. | ||
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On January 19 2014 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Way too defensive here. I wonder if these players will lynch Rayn tomorrow. I hope so. Fucking dumbass why am i supposed to call vigi shots on my townreads? Explain this shit and don't just post crap as you have done all game. | ||
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On January 18 2014 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hopeless, you are the one with "guaranteed extra info". You know (or if you are scum pretend to know) that both of the wagons were town. What are your conclusions? | ||
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Like "hey, let's lynch the un-cc'd veteran because the claim is most likely true since we don't have a doctor" because: 1) mafia believed Hopeless' claim as if Hopeless was mafia there would be a doctor and then you don't hit thrawn 2) there is no doctor because no sane doctor would have protected anyone else than thrawn So yeah, no, we are not lynching Hopeless. | ||
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I say i think Oats is mafia and my top scumread, i also say i think Toad is mafia. Toad makes a series of terrible posts. I vote for Toad because of those terrible posts in addition to him not wanting to find mafia on D1. Toad wonders why i am voting for him because i should be voting for Oats. rofl | ||
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Oats is also mafia because he is so fcuking dumb, gives no reasoning for anything and all he has done was to get on a shitfest with thrawn. He's not trying to find mafia in this game. Not a single bit, but i wanna kill Toad because there is absolutely no way he can possible be this stupid, Oats can, because he is. But he dies next. | ||
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On January 20 2014 02:06 Skanjab1s wrote: This is strange, because you have said that I'm your main lynch candidate, but rayn is still a "more scummy suspect", and you keep pondering on about him instead. And as you might have figured, you've given no reasoning for thinking I'm scum, either. It's a bit weird to be accusing someone of being scum for doing the EXACT thing you are doing, unless you're scum, of course. The problem with Toad's statement is that on D2 i have never said you or Oats is my top lynch target. He is twisting information to try to make me look bad. If someone can find a post on D2 where i say you or Oats is scummier than Toad then he can lynch me no probs. But the fact is he can't bak up his argument because it's not true, and he is mafia because he is making bullshit arguments that are not true. | ||
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On January 19 2014 09:20 Toadesstern wrote: rayn thinks you're blue. Sad thing I can't take this information for granted. Would be hilarious to lynch him off of that. Where do i ever say i think Vayne is blue? His most recent post. Suddenly ska reappears on the list. I'm still his lynch candidate but Ska/Oats are STILL his more scummy suspects as he keeps on pondering about those instead. Despite saying though his vote is still firmly on me. And as you might have figured, still no fucking reasoning for anything. Show me one post where i say on D2 that i think Ska/Oats are more scummy than you are? | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:19 Toadesstern wrote: Top one: I even said in there "Sad thing I can't take this information for granted.", you know, right after your bolded part. bottom one: to put this into context. 1) You didn't even consider ska mafia in the posts before that, at least he dropped out of your mafia lists and only Oats and I were in there for the longest time, with you wondering who the third might be 2) you apparently found a mafiaclaim from me n1 3) d2 you're contemplating about lynching ska instead. 1) Incorrect, look at my posts on N1. Why are you lying? 2) Not straight out mafia claim but pretty close yes. 3) If that's how you really interpret that post you should take reading comprehension classes intead of playing mafia. About the first post. You literally said "rayn thinks Vayne is blue". If you did not mean that i actually thought say the post is totally irrelevant to this game. Why are you making posts that say absolutely nothing? | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:30 VayneAuthority wrote: I think this post is probably important, but dunno if scum expected me to see it or not. Could be setting them up or he could just be dead because this is mostly correct. Mafia kills people who are on the right track. That's how it goes. Noone "sets up people" because then the people who are right just lynch you because they already think you are mafia. | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote: i think it is as simple as the last part nothing more. they just shot people that no one was really suspicious of that would not be protected. Nothing more really to be said. They did the same thing with their roleblock so I think it's an easy assumption to make that they were PR paranoid. Look there is basically no way Hopeless is mafia. If Hopeless was fakeclaiming mafia must assume there is a medic, right? Thrawn was the most likely medic target 100%. No sane mafia who assumes there is a medic in the game would shoot thrawn. thrawn getting shot implies mafia believes Hopeless' claim which makes him not mafia, and they made an educated guess that there is not a veteran and medic in the game. That's the only solution i can come up with for thrawn being shot. You know what happens when you just shoot the dude who is most towniest if there is medic in the game. You get no kill and you are fucked. | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote: toad you answered your own question, rayn isn't dead because of doc fear. I don't get docced on N1 because people are always paranoid of me. | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:42 Toadesstern wrote: So you think that thrawn and kush are both players that are better than you are. Good I'll remember that Fuck you make so stupid conclusions of people's posts you can't possibly be town. | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:45 Toadesstern wrote: actually screw this, there's no point in talking with this idiot. Yes I'm the cop, yes I checked hopeless n1, yes I breadcrumbed it, yes vayne ruined the breadcrumb, yes that's threa reason I said rayn thinks vayne is blue because I strongly suspect him to have found something that looks a lot like a DT softclaim yes that's the reason I kept talking about why vayne asked about the miller and wanted to hear his reasoning for that, yes that's the reason I didn't give too much of a crap to post decentish because I don't want to get shot by mafia nor roleblocked. See you in 28hours, I'm done with this bullshit So why did you not check Sn0? After all he was your top scumread and Hopeless is a fucking dumb check. | ||
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On January 19 2014 08:00 Toadesstern wrote: because all I see is: Rayn: mentioned me about 10 times, but never really gave any explanation other than me disagreeing with him? He called me and hopeless useless but probably town, which was the most indetail explanation from him about me and after that just oh yeah, he mafia thrawn: says I'm mafia for something that's so townie that rayn insta-voted mig when he thought mig was doing the opposite kush: seems to think I'm mafia because... idk? everyone is mafia according to kush and that's really all I found so far. Good job, this'll be the 2nd time ever to be lynched as town for me in 3 years of mafia on TL. Usually people aren't so dense and I really thought I'm way to obvious about it, but whatever, rayn even thinks vayne is town for the reason he should be thinking I am town, or so I presume? This post makes absolutely zero sense especially if Toad is a cop, because if he is there is literally no reason he should even fear of getting lynched. | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:47 VayneAuthority wrote: also, don't counterclaim if there are any other cops out there. Why would you say this if you believe his claim Vayne? | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:54 VayneAuthority wrote: remember bluelightz or w/e? parity cops are shit. especially with miller and godfather running around Yeah that's why. If there is a SK parity cops work against the town in case there is a miller or GF or both. Especially if there are multiple of them. D3 mislynch = lose assuming no mafia has been lynched before that. Multiple cops = almost guaranteed mislynch as you would not believe one of the claims. Also Toad's play does not look anything like how cop would play. He whines about getting vigged or lynched when noone even has made a case on him, he makes the worst possible check in the game and then, when he "confirms" himself as town he peaces out for the rest of the phase. Does that look townie to anyone? | ||
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On January 20 2014 05:01 VayneAuthority wrote: nah dude his check is really good. Assuming we have no more blue claims come out of nowhere, it makes perfect sense to check hopeless as a parity cop. he claimed veteran so he cannot fall back on miller shit. If there is a different then we have scum for sure right? No, because of millers and GF's and shit. And D3 mislynch = game lost. It makes sense for him to fakeclaim if he lives through this day and we lynch town. Also why did he not check thrawn if he wanted a baseline for his check? The only reason he would check Hopeless is if he does not believe his claim, which is dumb in the first place. | ||
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From my point of view and I know I'm town thrawn is a really good hit for mafia because it keeps us in this clusterfuck were rayn thinks I'm mafia. Also Toad just called me town here. And he is voting for me.. | ||
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"thrawn was killed because then rayn keeps going on trying to lynch me because he thinks i am mafia" "kush was probably shot because SK wanted to frame me" nonono.. noone does say that as town, as town you would say (in Toad's position - given his reads): "thrawn was killed because noone seems to be on the right track and that gives mafia!rayn a reason to try to lynch me" "if kush was shot by SK that's to give mafia more weapons to lynch me or SK thinks i am mafia and wants to lynch me" There is no way what Toad said comes from town perspective because he straight out says i am town and SK does not know who is mafia so they can't possibly "frame" anyone. That's straight out mafia thought process that fails half across the post. | ||
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He's either supersoft vol.2 aka. the worst player ever or mafia. | ||
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On January 21 2014 00:23 Mig wrote: If toad is town, this is honestly pretty pathetic and the game is over. Nobody else is having any doubts that if Toad were mafia he wouldn't just give up like this? There is no reason Toad should be town. He thinks i am mafia so he gives up as town cop when mafia accuses him of being mafia.. If that's the case he is playing against his wincon. Thoughts on Oats, go. | ||
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On January 21 2014 00:30 Mig wrote: There is a chance that Toad changed his read on you from mafia to stupid townie and then was so frustrated he quit. This would not be the first time a townie has raged at you haha. My question is toad the type of guy who would get emotional and quit as mafia or is he the type of guy more likely to do it as town? This is something we need to be discussing. If there is a sk and he shoots town tonight and toad is town then the game is essentially over. And look at how dead the thread is. Nobody besides me even wants to talk about shit. I don't care. If Toad gave up as town he is a fucking idiot. Doesn't change the fact there is no reason to give up as town. | ||
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On January 21 2014 00:49 Skanjab1s wrote: rayn confirmed for not reading the thread So you believe there is a chance that he is town, but if he does not get roleblocked or die the next night he is mafia. What do you suggest we do if on D3 Toad comes in and says "i checked X and him and Hopeless are different"? | ||
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1) Toad has done no scumhunting in this game. Toad even said himself that's true, here: On January 20 2014 04:45 Toadesstern wrote: yes that's the reason I didn't give too much of a crap to post decentish because I don't want to get shot by mafia nor roleblocked. There is absolutely no reason why you should not post decently if you are a town power role. Zero. Before his claim he argued he has done scumhunting but here he straight out claims against it. 2) Defends himself on N1 when he should be telling people who he thinks is mafia - there is no reason he pre-emptively defends himself to thrawn/me/kush. There is literally no reason to do that, especially if he is a town power role, which should "confirm" him as town. This whole thing makes no fucking sense from town perspective. 3) His thought process on "why is rayn not voting for Oats" is invalid as i pointed out. Later on he calls me mafia for thinking Vayne is blue and therefore i roleblocked him, he can't back that up with anything other than "i think so but i have no reasons to think so". He also uses Hopeless' theory to back that up but then he checked Hopeless on N1. It makes no sense to check Hopeless because regardless of Hopeless' claim's truthfulness he is not gonna die ever during the night. So he is using "Hopeless is town so i agree with his logic that rayn icould be scum" but he checks Hopeless because he thinks Hopeless is scum (that's the only reason he would check Hopeless for). He is contradicting himself. 4) He gives up when he thinks mafia is accusing him of being mafia. He is not trying to argue against the lynch, he is not trying to do anything, he just quits the game. Nothing, absolutely nothing Toad has said or done this game makes any sense from town perspective and that's why we should lynch him. | ||
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On January 21 2014 02:39 Sn0_Man wrote: I was willing to go with what thrawn and kush were saying because they were making the most sense at that time. On D1: On January 18 2014 07:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Kush do you see what you are doing to this lynch? I have no idea why everybody is so convinced you are town. ##unvote: ##Vote: Sn0_Man There is absolutely no way you thought kush was making sense on D1 as you kinda called him mafia at the end of D1. | ||
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On January 21 2014 04:15 Skanjab1s wrote: I'm leaving him alive because I think he is town, and because his check will condemn you, not clear you. The scummy thing is wanting a motherfucking dayvig to shoot the cop. Why exactly do you think he is town? All he has done in this game is pure mafia. | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:49 Mig wrote: The unfortunate reality rayne is townies do anti town thing pretty much every game. If you lynch every townie for doing anti town things you are never going to win. Well in this game townies did most anti-town things then, that's unfortunate. | ||
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Seriously, the dude quit the game because a person he thought is mafia was accusing him of being mafia and he had 2 votes on him. What townie QUITS THE GAME in that situation? | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:57 Mig wrote: When irrational stupid stuff happens then very very often it is from a townie. Townies get emotional when they are arguing and they do ridiculous things. It is a pretty reliable tell honestly. Like i understand the reason if he thinks i am town, and then it makes sense. I did the same thing in LXII when i did not vote for Risen and got myself lynched, there was no way the next day was anything but Koshi tunneling me, me getting mad and then me getting lynched, but i tried to save Risen from being lynched the next day by telling people he is town and that's why i refuse to vote for him and lynch myself instead. But if you think the other dude is mafia. Hell fucking no. | ||
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I think i gotta stop posting so much once again and jsut sit back and watch. Sorry Toad. | ||
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And i am not wrong on that. | ||
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On January 22 2014 09:02 Mig wrote: Mig is scum! GG gl townie bros  | ||
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On January 22 2014 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Interested in seeing what Cephiro does now. | ||
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If not, why would you claim SK as town? | ||
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##Vote: Cephiro So no explanation = no town. If he is SK we have lost already and he hadn't claimed most likely, so i am going with mafia. | ||
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I don't think so. | ||
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If he shoots mafia!Mig he cannot win the game because it would be 5-2-1 where the best play is to lynch the SK. If he shoots town!Mig he canot win the game because town's only chance is that he is mafia fakeclaiming and the best play is to lynch the SK claim. The only chance is he is fakeclaiming as town for some reason which he just said he is not. | ||
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Which you have failed to answer three times. | ||
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On January 22 2014 09:42 Hopeless1der wrote: im not even going to bother for ~40ish hours | ||
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I guess he is defending his claim which is impossible unless he tells us why did he decide to claim. "because scum would not do it" is not a reason i accept. | ||
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On January 22 2014 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote: You know what makes people think you are town? Being actually involved in the game. Which is easily done without fakeclaiming SK. Funny that you say this. You havn't really been involved in the game at all. You have just said "lol x scum", "lol y scum", "lol z y x scum" - nothing else. | ||
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Does someone really believe Cephiro is mafia? | ||
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His last posts make absolutely no sense. | ||
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I'll explain tonight. | ||
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Cephiro, Snoman and Skanjabs, talk with me. | ||
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Awesome case Koshi. Now go read Aperture 2 and Hogwarts and come back telling me Cephiro is scum. Since you love doing those past game reads why won't you do that here? | ||
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On January 22 2014 22:51 Skanjab1s wrote: Why are Oats and Koshi scum? Because Koshi is saying stupid stuff that's based on "Vayne is town" which he admits he is not sure of. Oats is just scummy as hell as he is not trying to do anything. Both of them should realize Cephiro is town, Koshi even admits this is exactly what Cephiro does as town, then misreprestents Cephiro's conclusion (which was not "Ceph did something absolutely anti town and useless and came out with nothing new from it. NOTHING NEW" but instead it was "Vayne is mafia and Oats is mafia"). | ||
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On January 22 2014 22:59 Cephiro wrote: Check at Koshi for example. Votes at sno first, then changes to me right after. Then he pressures you. Quite sure all three of us are town. You read my posts, you know I'm town. We're in MYLO, no-one but scum would be pushing for my death at this point. I assume all town players actually read what I said. As you can see, Vayne + Koshi + Oats are currently the ones sticking to that. With no other reasoning than my fakeclaim ploy. The thing is look at how Koshi approaches it. On January 22 2014 18:14 Koshi wrote: Mig dieing --> Snowman under pressure. VA thought he would die --> Puts Snow under pressure. Cephiro says VA should have died but didn't so VA is scummy --> Puts Snow in the closet. Imo lynch The evul Snowman. I believe VA is town, Mig is town. ##vote: Sn0_man On January 22 2014 18:21 Koshi wrote: I explained it poorly. This is better: Mig says Snowman is scum. Mig gets shot by scum. If VA is scum with Snowman he is not going to shoot somebody who thinks Snow is scum and then also put Snow under pressure in his "goodbye post". Therefore VA is not scum with Snowman. So either VA is pushing Snowman misslynch by shooting Mig and then also putting Snow under pressure in his "goodbye post". Or VA is town and Snowman the best lynch. Skanjab is also scum. He is trying to discredit VA, asked that dumb question about SK yesterday to me. Cephiro is scum for panicking after shooting Mig and seeing VA list. Like I could even lynch Cephiro first. Because he KNEW that Mig was going to die and had to find something else to go ballistic about. LETS CLAIM SK LULULULUL ##unvote ##vote: Cephiro "Lynch Sno. I believe VA is town." "I am not sure if VA is town. Either Sn0 is a mislynch and VA is scum, or Sn0 is scum and Cephiro is trying to save him and win the game here." "Lynch Cephiro". Koshi is saying Cephiro is mafia because he paniced when he saw VA's list and thought Sn0 was gonna get lynched (because in Koshi's theory noone else as mafia would get lynched (Skan/Ceph) as i was pushing Oats and Cephiro wasn't really under pressure). For Cephiro to be mafia Sn0 must be mafia - it's the only way, but Koshi is voting for Cephiro who is only mafia due to unflipped player's association. | ||
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He does not comment on anything that's been said in thread. He comments on his theory on how the game is playing out (but he does not really have one) and refuses to say anything on what's been said in thread. That's pure mafia mindset. When you can't answer arguments make some bullshit posts about "what if.." or "but then why..". All he is doing is asking stupid questions, not providing answers or interacting with people. | ||
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On January 22 2014 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote: lol so scum all ins for no reason then? Town needs to lynch PERFECTLY to win. What does Ceph say about Vayne and Oats being mafia?? Is it anything more than "Vayne wasnt killed, must be scum" and "Oats scumslipped", both which didnt need ceph to claim SK. So tell me Rayn, what did ceph accomplish? Also the bolded part. This is a clear contradiction on what he has been saying all D3. In his opinion Cephiro all inned as mafia and there is no other explanation. Now when someone presents another scenario (which is not bw all-inning) he asks "SO SCUM ALL-INNED, RIGHT?" lololol | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:09 Koshi wrote: Everybody should look at the nightkills. The lynches Cephiro/rayn are pushing are 100% different than what thrawn/Kush/Mig were pushing. Coincidence? I think not. kkthxbye. Case fucking closed. thrawn: kush/rayn/Sn0 town - attacks Vayne/Toad/Oats on N1. kush: thinks these are scum Toadesstern, Mig, Cephiro, (VayneAuthority), (Skanjab1s) Mig: rayn/Hopeless/Skan town - sno/oats/cephiro scum Koshi is lying, if he trusts the night kills he should be voting for Oats (as kush is a SK-frame shot by mafia 100%). wow such lies such mafiaful | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn make a case on Oats, People have been calling him mafia all game long and no one has been able to make a case on him. Sno hasnt been playing, sn0 voted for Hopeless and tried to justify it badly but it was totally bullshit and it went against how he said it happened at that time. He sheeple and he no play game. He scum. I don't have to. Why the fuck are you trying to twist every fucking thing around? I have a case on Koshi, i am voting for Koshi, i don't need to make a case on you. Make a case on someone if you don't want to lynch Koshi. | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Mig thinks im town. wow such lies such mafiaful Does he? I don't think so: On January 21 2014 10:31 Mig wrote: Also if sno does not die tonight and I do, please lynch him. Do not lynch skan. I am not 100% convinced about him but sno/oats/cephiro are all better options (sno/cephiro probably the 2 best). | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you mig? Do you know what he is thinking? No i am not and neither are you. The last post where he talks about you as a read is the one where he says you are his top 3 scumread. So fuck you. Why is my case on Koshi bad? | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol there are no points against me. 1. Its incorrect. 2. Ok? 3. same as point 1. How are these legitimate points at all? Ceph and Rayn, why did you drop my supposed 'contradiction'? Was it because it wasnt actually a contradiction? Funny how stuff turns out that way huh. WHY DO YOU FICKING DEFEND YOURSELF WHEN I AM ACCUSING KOSHI AND NOT YOU? YOU ARE THE FUCKING WORST PLAYER EVER IF YOU ARE TOWN! | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote: oh the case where you say Koshi should be voting for sn0? Thats a case? Wow its bad. It doesnt matter whether koshi is voting for sn0 or Ceph because if either of them flip town, we lose. So it makes no difference. So you cannot read. Koshi is voting for Cephiro who in his opinion is only mafia if Sn0 is mafia. | ||
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If Sn0 is mafia Vayne is town and Cephiro is mafia. If Vayne is mafia Sn0 is town and Cephiro is town. The thing that makes Cephiro's alignment clear is Sn0/Vayn's alignment, therefore Koshi should be voting Sn0/Vayne, instead - 10 hours into D3 he says "i vote for Cephiro because noone will vote for Sn0". | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: So? If sn0 flips scum, koshi is only lynching ceph tmr. If sn0 flips town, WE FUCKING LOSE THE GAME. You are really fucking dumb Oats if you don't see how Koshi's logic makes no sense at all. Or mafia, leaning on mafia, heavily.. While you can be a massive idiot as town as well. But it's okay, i am used to losing because you majorly fuck up as town and it does not bother me. Just try to fucking read if you are town. | ||
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So there isnt any association cases valid at this point of time. Why can't you realize this is exactly what Koshi is doing?!?!?!?!?! "If Sn0 is mafia, Cephiro is mafia, so i vote for Cephiro". THIS IS A FUCKING ASSOCIATION CASE YOU IDIOT! | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote: Okay I don't get Cephiro at all. Who claims SK 10 mins before Day Post? He can't be SK because there's no way that helps him is there? I don't think he was at serious risk in that situation. He can't be Town because his claim doesn't help town at all. Nobody is gonna counter claim him. It didn't come early enough to for example save mig if scum thought "free shot". It is however causing a ton of confusion in-thread. It doesn't even make sense as scum to do that does it? I mean sure he fucks with the thread which is obviously a plus if he's scum but doesn't this make him pretty damn suspicious? I dunno, I want to call it a scumclaim but it seems incredibly dumb from any perspective. It's actually possible that he is SK simply because for example scum could have shot bulletproof SK Ceph who shot Mig last night. However, that still doesn't explain why he claimed. We are not lynching Cephiro today, or if we are the town is going to lose because me and Cephiro are town and i am not voting for him. So stop this shit and tell who do you think is mafia. | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Ceph's case comes after Koshi's. Koshi has an extremely limited filter this game. Why is that Koshi? Does he post less as scum Rayn? Yes he does and when someone accuses him he freezes totally. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/QABVbtFWtEj Read form post ~120 -> | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm, he seems really serious as scum though, lotta long posts and shit. And he doesnt seem so much here. Can we lynch sn0 first and figure it out? I'd rather lynch Koshi and Vayne first because one of you/Sn0 is mafia and i don't know which one. Both of you oppose lynching Koshi and Vayne so it's really hard to tell. btw Vayne's post near deadline was really bad. | ||
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On January 23 2014 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Which vayne post rayn? Dude im town. Look at that awesome town confirming shit you helped me to do. I dont understand how Koshi and Ceph are SO SURE of who is scum when we havent even lynched 1 yet. The thing is Koshi had zero reads before the flip, now he is sure of the scumteam. Vayne's reads post is pure scum!vayne. | ||
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Do you think that's wise? And what the fuck has 4 Persona game have to do with this one? We lost the game because you couldn't get out of your tunnel on yamato, so deal with it. Get out of your tunnel and start commenting on something that's not Oats because you look scummier and scummier every moment. | ||
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On January 23 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote: I explained why Skanjab is also scum. I agree that Koshi scum fits, but I'm not nearly so certain about it. I read what you had to say but it wasn't convincing enough for me to vote Koshi on LYLO. I have no idea where the read on vayne is coming from. Tthe only points I can see against him stem from Cephiro's insanity and then your meta read about his "last will" post which seemed pretty flimsy. Whatever. It really looks like Oats and Skanjab are gonna push their last mislynch through on me and I'm finding it hard to care. I don't understand. You can't get Oats/Skan lynched, you know there is third mafia, but you don't even try to find them? Why? | ||
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If you think me/Cephiro/Sn0 is the mafia team time to start convincing Hopeless and the one other townie on why we are mafia. | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:03 VayneAuthority wrote: games over, its ceph/rayn/sn0 they outed themselves with rayn's massive mistake if it isn't obvious. lynch all 3 in a row. You have a massive problem. You need to convince Hopeless. Not gonna work. | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote: you don't even address my post because there is absolutely zero explanation for it, not really an all-in when you all out yourselves There is nothing to address. Cephiro makes sense from town pov when he explained it. You have yourself claimed fucking scum as town t oWIFOM and you "can't believe" someone does that. You of all the people vayne, it sounds so hilarious. | ||
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It can clearly be seen from my posts. Okay Koshi, Vayne scum, who else? Skanjabs talk to me. | ||
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I am saying you are mafia because you can't possibly believe Cephiro is mafia as town because that's EXACTLY what he does as town. Do you think Cephiro as mafia (when he is not under any pressure at all) goes through all that effort and makes some "townie plan" when he can just... not do it? HE WAS UNDER NO PRESSURE VAYNE! On top of that your reads on me, Koshi and Skanjabs are really fucking shitty, because your read on me is not a read and your read on Koshi is a total misconstruction of his meta. You read on Skan is "he is mafia because he is accusing mafia" which is bullshit. That's why i think you are mafia. So if you are town start reading the fucking thread and comment on other people besides your tunnelteam. | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:19 VayneAuthority wrote: nope this is titanic II where I thought you were town and couldn't believe how big of a fucking moron you were being believing that " scumslipped" but then we all saw what you were. I didn't believe any of it. If you read my QT i was laughing at people thinking you were scum and playing along bbecause it was beneficial to me. | ||
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I would have liked to lynch town on D2 still, but this is good too. Unless cop is someone incompetent i don't think i will get copped, i'm more worried about scum shooting me. Soo... i need to hang on to "yo Vayne claimed scum" theory and tunnel him next day. tbh i do not think he is mafia, that's what Vayne does as town. I don't think Slam is scum either but this is really good now. Hopefully scum will shoot BH. Here's how much i believed you "scumslipped". | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:30 VayneAuthority wrote: as I said if you can show me that town game of cephiro where he does those things I will concede I am a retard. Until then nah. Hogwarts mafia: Cephiro fakeclims idk, about 10 different roles and has some fukcing plan that in the end gets him lynched. Aperture mafia: Cephiro makes a plan "hey let's not lynch scum but instead make him shoot another scum during the night" - ending up town losing becase we lynched town and scum endgamed the town during the night | ||
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On October 24 2013 23:15 Cephiro wrote: Okay, I'll stop the lies. Truth most useful to town after I die. Grack has to be town because he picked up on stuff that did not exist. I AM NOT A COP My real role is the coin thing, I have no powers on top of the masonry, with the exception that I gain 1 secret vote for every 2 coin owners that die. I secret voted Stutters because I thought the lynch was between two townies and Stutters had been of no use. I made no breadcrumbs or anything, I faked everything afterwards. The candy thing was a super lucky guess, and when rayn asked me in the QT how I would know, I guessed he was Ron after that. But I do not have a greencheck on him in reality. Scum ray would know this, and would also know that when I flip he would inevitably be the next one to die due to this very reason. That's why I think Gryffindor is all town. I know this sounds super weird (because it is), but this time I'm speaking the truth. The Finland "breadcrumb", was something I just came up with after trying to link myself into Susan or Bones somehow, it took quite a while to find a lucky connection afterwards. Yes, I fakeclaimed cop as town. Yes, I will probably die today. Yes, you are killing these 4 people: Chairman Ray, Onegu, Holyflare, skanjab1s Questions? | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:32 VayneAuthority wrote: the only other scum team that makes sense to me atm would be oats/skanjab/sn0. so if you want to convince me of that go for it. omg, srsly? rofl | ||
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All he has done is yell Mig is scum. At the end of N2 he says "okay i have no reads". His top scumread dies and suddenly he knows all the scum instantly. Does that make sense to you? Then he votes for the dude who is in his opinion scum only by association. Does that make sense to you? | ||
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What do you think? Look at my case here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800¤tpage=103#2057 Also Koshi tells people to look at night kills. Apparently he only looked at Mig's reads. Mig was his top scumread, how can he instantly assume Mig has "the best reads ever" as before flip he assumed the dude was scum (so obviously he should be having bad reads). It makes zero sense and feels pre-thought. | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:47 VayneAuthority wrote: what are these "X"? Can't associate anything without a full team. If we are doing Koshi teams then it would be Koshi/Sn0...? but who is the third in these teams? there's no good fit unless oats has been bussing with sn0 but there interactions look much more real then the sn0/skanjab interactions. which is why i think their bussing is more likely. It could be Koshi/Oats/Skan if you are town. Sn0 feels like a mislynch as me, Hopeless & Cephiro are the only people opposing the lynch. I really do not think Sn0 is mafia because of the people attacking him on LYLO. Noone has really wanted to lynch him before this. Oats only started playing now, when the game is nearly over. wtf is that? That's fucking crap. Skanjabs has put no effort into anything but "don't lynch Toad". I don't even remember who he wanted to lynch on D2 so it must not be a big push, as i have a good memory. It's equally likely mafia hit Mig because they wanna mislynch Sn0 than that Sn0 is mafia, so i consider that a null-tell. | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:54 VayneAuthority wrote: there is nothing there to argue, he has terrible reasons for voting Cephiro because sn0 was not the highest number on my list, he was tied with skanjab so it was not a sure thing. But this whole case assumes that I am scum so I don't know how you expect me to believe that. No the case says: "Koshi does not know which one of Vayne/Sn0 is mafia, but Koshi assumes Vayne is town and Sn0 is mafia and therefore wants to lynch Cephiro - which is bullshit". I even said later on it's possible Sn0 and Koshi are both mafia and that's WHY Koshi wants to lynch Cephiro and not Sn0. | ||
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Right now i am only confident in my Koshi read and i really want all of Oats/Skan/Sno/you to contribute. You are doing so atm, so it's cool. - Oats never says anything relevant on fucking anything said in the game. - Skan is just being meh.. like "what's the case on this guy?", then says nothing.. - Sn0 just rages to everyone who accuses him and then leaves the thread, sadly that's exactly what always gets him lynched as town so i am trying to be reasonable with him.. not sure how long until i just decide he is mafia. | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:11 VayneAuthority wrote: If I wanted to push you as a mislynch sn0 as mafia I would actually be pressuring you and voting for you, of which I am doing neither. It just so happens to be the point in the game where options are pretty limited so teams are going to "PoE." You have been the counterwagon to 2 town lynches and have been soft pushed quite a bit. Mig who thought you were scum just died. These things don't make you the scummiest person in the game but they don't make you town either. The problem is if Sn0 is mafia why did people who accused him on D1 not die? Why did people who thought he is NOT mafia die? Now it's a null-tell because it's easy to say "yeah Mig died because Sn0 scum" but it's MYLO, as possible is the fact that "mislynch Sn0 and win". sooo.. | ||
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In fact Koshi is one of the only people who has ever gotten me lynched, and the only one (besides myself) who has gotten me lynched when i am town. sooo... he does not actually think i am mafia and apparently he has no conclusions on anyone else besides the contradictiong ones he is not willing to explain. | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:23 Koshi wrote: rayn is scum. You simply can't win if he is scum. Every time the same. All people that can oppose him are dead. Cephiro is scum with him but he just covers for him and it works. Cephiro goes 180 on his reads, rayn calls him town and he is untouchable unless you go through rayn first and nobody bothers. ##unvote ##vote: rayn Vayne you played in the ##'s game AND in LXII. How wrong this post is coming from Koshi? | ||
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Everyone who has ever read a single scum QT form a game where i have been mafia or even read a game where i have been mafia or played in a game where i have been mafia cannot possibly think me and Cephiro are both mafia!! There is absolutely no fucking way i would have let Cephiro do what he did if i was mafia. Everyone, EVERY SINGLE person who has EVER seen me play mafia KNOWS that. That is the truth. I am not lying. Think about it. | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:40 VayneAuthority wrote: i don't see how ## is relevant but LXII is, and it makes zero sense since he got you lynched there np but it was town on town. More confusing to me is why he doesn't seem to be angry at all at the accusations of him being mafia. ##unvote ##vote:koshi I will vote this, gotta go for now The more confusing part. If Koshi thinks i am mafia he gets mad at me and pushes a lynch on me, like in ##'s game AND in LXII (both as him being town). You said it yourself. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote: That was actually my battle plan for tomorrow. I don't believe you. Start now then. Give reasons for why i am mafia. | ||
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If Vayne is town aswell mafia can vote for him and we have no way of lynching mafia because even if all townies vote together Vayne has 4 votes first and Skanjabs is not around. So i have to believe one of Skan/Vayne is mafia to even possibly be able to lynch mafia. | ||
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On January 24 2014 01:14 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay that logic does check out. Assuming skan is telling the truth that he's perma afk until flip then there is effectively no difference between lynching koshi or skanjab. That's the point. That is literally the worst thing you can do as town (tell that you are not here any more before the deadline) unless you are lying, which is also fucking dumb because it limits the options now. | ||
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On January 24 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote: but your entire schpeel just now was based on one of Vayne/Skan has to be scum or we lose anyways. The case your considering cant be used as a line of reasoning You are right. We can lynch Koshi aswell. But in that case Cephiro needs to vote before all mafia votes for Vayne. Of course there is a possibility Vayne is mafia too, but i am looking at the worst case scenario. | ||
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On January 24 2014 01:27 Sn0_Man wrote: Oh I see. So we have 4 on koshi, but rayn is afraid that some could move onto vayne if vayne is town? Yes. Right now if Skanjabs is town the mafia would be Koshi, Cephiro and you. Does that sound right? | ||
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On January 24 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote: i dont like this side of rayn, but his underlying logic isnt wrong so i cant lynch him for it I am not saying he is town, ia m saying "if we assume" as in this is the situation we are in whether or not we like it. | ||
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On January 24 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote: like town loses if we dont lynch skan or koshi or Vayne. | ||
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On January 24 2014 08:14 VayneAuthority wrote: that's a stupid reason to believe im town after all this, I am clearly playing to win for town here. I have been the whole game. People only started to doubt it after that shitty Cephiro conspiracy theory that makes zero sense. I am not saying you are scum if not, i am considering you confirmed town if Koshi flips roleblocker. | ||
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How is anyone supposed to read your alignment when all you say is "X is scum, no Y is scum, K and Z are scum now"?? | ||
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Absolutely noone is that stupid, even if they have not read a single page of this game. So i treat that as a scumclaim. | ||
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Even if you think i am mafia, it does not make your stuff any less suspicious. So, why did you ask "Why would hopeless fakeclaim?" on D2-N2, and now you call him scum. To me it looks like you at that point believed his claim. Now, when i ask you about this fairly obvious contradiction you dodge the question completely, and give a half-arsed answer "because Cephiro bla bla". That's bullshit, Cephiro has nothing to do with this, especially when you one day ago called him sure mafia and Hopeless town. When i ask you about this ANOTHER contradiction you don't answer, but instead you say "yeah you did call him mafia too". Regardless of this is true or not (which btw isn't, because if you read the thread and think about my posts i was not sure if Cephiro is mafia, i wanted to pressure him to give his reasons for the SK-claim - because I KNOW HE DOES THAT KINDA STUFF AS TOWN) you, instead of answering my question, dodge it, and go into "no, you" mode. Which is very fucking scummy Oats. You did this once before. Here: On January 23 2014 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't have to. Why the fuck are you trying to twist every fucking thing around? I have a case on Koshi, i am voting for Koshi, i don't need to make a case on you. Make a case on someone if you don't want to lynch Koshi. I ask you to make a case on Sn0. Instead of making a case you tell me to make a case on you. I DON'T NEED TO MAKE A CASE ON YOU BECAUSE I AM VOTING FOR KOSHI AND HAVE A CASE ON HIM! Like seriously, what the hell? You are not even trying to do anything, then you throw some useless shit on Sn0. Everything you say about him could be said about you too. Yes, you have been useless and contributed nothing on D1 and D2 (and btw Sn0 hasn't, he has had clear suspects and i can follow his train of thought well). Yes you have been throwing silly votes everywhere (which Sn0 btw hasn't, he has given reasoning - you don't even fucking quote his bad votes), and yes, while Sn0 might have been sheeping you have contributed nothing useful to any lynch, until D3, where you - surprise surprise - SHEEPED!!! So, now, make a decent case if you don't want to get lynched tomorrow. On both of your scumreads. Please. | ||
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1) You have a reason why it's beneficial to town that i am not allowed to read your case. Given that i am almost confirmed town for leading a mafia lynch on LYLO i can't think of a reason why it would be beneficial to the town to have me read and comment on the case. 2) You don't have a case and you are mafia refusing to put up something that does not stick or can't face questioning. | ||
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If i am a stupid townie who does not do that why do you feel like you need to be too? See, here is the problem i have with you. You are not trying to resolve the issue, you are countering it with "no, you". *and for the record yes, i will do it, as soon as i have time to actually do something properly so that i don't talk shit out of my ass* | ||
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I can't believe mafia had a vigi and a roleblocker (and if you think that's bullshit why are you not lynching Vayne?) and town had ONLY a parity cop. If you claim blue on D4 you should be lynched by default. If anyone claims blue on D4 they should be lynched, because they need to reason why they did not doc thrawn on N1, because let's be honest, that was the ONLY possible night kill for mafia, seriously. | ||
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I am MOSTLY confirmed town. I think Ceph/Hopeless are clear. There is 2 scum in you/Vayne/Sn0/Skan. I need to find them. I have this night phase as i am pretty sure night kill. ANYTHING anyone of those players say helps me. I might be on a wrong track, so convince me. Because after MY reread i'd say you and Vayne are mafia. If you have something to say to that, other cases, new info, i am open to listening. But now, with what i have, this is where i am.. | ||
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Oats pushing a lynch in this game... ROF so fucking L !!! | ||
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Oats and Skan have been crying "lynch Sn0 plzplzplz" all game. Vayne you have been.. idk.. doing somehitng and your read on Koshi is from D1 -> D3 pure bullshit. But as i said. I don't fucking care anymore. I have a podcast to do at 1 AM so it's more of a thing to me than this clusterfuck of a game where townies self vote and quit a game and do fucking nothing. I just don't fucking care. | ||
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Another way to look like you care while you don't. | ||
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Vayne prolly the other. Figure it out yourselves. Lynch Oats 100% tomorrow. | ||
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On January 27 2014 10:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Troof Rayn I wrote this in the obs QT: I <3 you and all, but I feel like this would have been one of those games where at least for me, it would been hell to play with you. I know. I played bad. I lynched 2 townies and accused 2/3 last townies the night i died. I can't help the fact that i think people who refuse to play should be lynched. I will always do everything to push lynches on those people, always. I don't get the fact that people join games and refuse to play. Like kush straight out lied on D1, he just lied. In the last game i had JUST proved him wrong on what he said, he was mafia, and i had a scumread on him for it. Why would he do that again? Like intentionally talk shit out of his ass? That's just dumb. There is a reason i never have such a problem with people like you, marv, Mig etc.. They play the game, regardless of their alignment, and not just post something without thinking at all. | ||
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On January 27 2014 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Games like that are basically unwinnable as town (ie WC2) and I can understand why Rayn sometimes has to play the way he does. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be much that can be done about it sometimes and you gotta just keep pushing through. I have a dream that one day policy will push through and become the norm if people want to do that sort of thing. I policy lynch a shitton. I just do it after i see who are playing and who are not. I don't like policy lynching at the game start based on "this dude will not help anyways", i think that's dumb. | ||
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On January 27 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote: You know you and I are on the same page for all of this. Just gotta try to keep yourself in check sometimes; lately I've seen a lot of townies essentially bullied out the game.The only dude who i have ever "bullied" out of the game is Toad in this game. And it was purely because his argument was so bad i didn't think it could come from a townie. I asked him to reread, and at the start i was not even being an ass, i was aggressive. I only became an ass when he refused to understand a simple fact that between the point where i called Oats my #1 scumread and him my #2 scumread and where i made a case on him there happened things that i pointed out which i believed made him more likely to be mafia than Oats. And even then, after he claimed, i tried to be reasonable and figure out if his claim was true or not but he just quit the game. Because of what? Because a guy he thought is mafia was accusing him of being mafia. That's so incredibly stupid. Yes, i was an ass and i apologize for it, but still.. meh.. | ||
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