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On January 15 2014 00:33 marvellosity wrote: rayn still has to catch me in # of games played, and I still play quite a lot... :> Play in this one! I shall carry you to victory ezpz. | ||
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On January 15 2014 00:39 Toadesstern wrote: I'm literally confirmed town this game anyways. Rolled mafia, mafia, town (shot 10 minutes into the day, thanks dandel) mafia, mafia or some crazy shit like that. 2 of them replaces because "mafia needs help and you're good at mafia, right" ? As everyone knows, roll a 6 on a dice and the chances to roll another one are lower! Can't possibly roll mafia again I rolled town then town then town then town then town then town then town then town then town then town then town then town. | ||
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The Student has surpassed The Master. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://s3.amazonaws.com/stripgenerator/strip/10/57/27/00/00/full.png) | ||
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Maybe last episode of Sherlock will help me stay awake. And some ice cream. | ||
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On January 16 2014 09:27 Grackaroni wrote: On a scale of 1-Koshi how pro-town will you be this game? I agree that Koshi is the highest level of towness. | ||
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On January 16 2014 09:40 kushm4sta wrote: cool someone else who thinks they are a kush expert. Only one person is a kush expert and that's thrawn. I totes had you as scum last game. rayn can confirm. I got a secret Kush scale of scumness. | ||
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Nothing yet. I was already thinking of something though. It shall.be.checked tomorrow. Sleep now. Yay town! | ||
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On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote: Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time. (1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum? (2) What will you be remembered for this game? (3) How do you react to pressure? (4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved? Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way. town. Being Batman. I am never pressured, maybe sometimes omgus. I only make well calculated decisions, and completely thought out posts. ↑ 1 thing is a lie. | ||
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Why are you not trolling with Grack Skanjab1s? | ||
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More interested in Oats atm. Not going to let him live because he is in people their face. It is proven he can do it as scum. | ||
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On January 16 2014 19:15 thrawn2112 wrote: Hm. I'll have to research the hogwarts crap when I'm sober. When you say he is "doing the same" what are you referring to? What I found scummiest about the case is the lack of townie "is this guy town or scum" thought process behind any of it, and the exxaggeration I mentioned. I think it's different than confirmation bias cases because there you usually have some kind of "now he might be town for doing this because of X but most likely not." lol someone other than myself is going to have read Oats because I cba to read one more of his posts + Show Spoiler + <3<3<3 Oats. but you being tha dumb right now I had Skanjab as scum in Hogwarts till he started making cases, early game Skan posted strange fluff just like Snow is doing now. Like 3-5 really double meaning posts. | ||
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On January 16 2014 19:19 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah skanjab's case is pretty scummy. sn0 feels kinda like the dude I jumped on in white flag mafia. And I was scum there. Dude then ask me questions or something instead of commenting on how Im not town. Thats not useful. I am simply stating that "Oats in the face" is not a towntell. At all. But here is a question: VA posted a gif in his first post, confirmed town? | ||
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On January 16 2014 20:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi why do you like the case? And in what game has Oats does what he did here as scum? Having a shitfest with me does not count. Everything. It's all true. PYP? That's why he was alive till D7. | ||
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On January 16 2014 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: So does Oats' posts make sense to you or what? That's how you form reads, not by saying he argued with someone in another game. btw that was with me in PYP.. That's not how I read him. It always have been If Oats is in your face and being annoying he is town, when Oats is distanced & shifty he is scum. In PYP he was picking fights with everybody early game, I have read that filter a million times. If he didn't quit playing after D3 I would have never putted him down as scum. This game it is the same but it can be both now. And somebody said he was town for being in your face. | ||
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On January 16 2014 20:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes and that's what i said in my last post. So what is your read on him now? 0 clues. He is buddying with you. Is that new? | ||
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On January 16 2014 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Uhh.. So lemme recap this. Oats and thrawn have an argument. You come in and say you are interested in Oats' alignment. Instead of commenting on the argument itself and if it makes sense or not you pick the non-alignment indicative thing (arguing) and say it doesn't mean anything. Are you really interested in Oats' alignment? There was nothing else to say. If I had to pick somebody out of them I would pick thrawn as town, and I refuse to see Oats as town as well for that reason. Which was what everybody was saying. So rayn, why is Oats 100% town? | ||
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On January 16 2014 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: To some extent but yes, i have a townread on Vayne that's pretty strong. I don't think i have said Oats is town, have i? I have a problem with you making a post where you imply you are most interested in Oats' alignment at the moment and then you proceed on saying "what Oats did is not alignment indicative" without even commenting on what he actually did. Let's be friends. | ||
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On January 16 2014 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hopefully in about 10 hours you explain to us what you learned from the answers. Koshi, why are you not trying to figure out the alignment ofthe person who interests you most atm? I am watching him. Silently. | ||
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On January 16 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: Skanjab1s I would sheep you but kinda need explanation. What's wrong with the case? Why are you so strange rayn? | ||
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META META META | ||
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On January 17 2014 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't get this. What are you trying to say? Dandel loves meta? As in "yeah that looks really bad for Kush" | ||
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On January 17 2014 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does Dandel has to do with anything in this game? He is the master of meta? Ugh it was an inside joke I guess. You are so grumpy this game rayn. | ||
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On January 17 2014 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote: He is hosting it? This as well obviously. | ||
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On January 17 2014 02:58 kushm4sta wrote: hold up rayn i have to balance my meta by being a dick to you dnu why you are pissing off strongest townie in game. | ||
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On January 17 2014 03:38 kushm4sta wrote: that's cute how koshi makes you feel good Why are you doing this then? | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is like no way Sn0 is scum.. People make a good point though... It feels right. | ||
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On January 17 2014 05:33 thrawn2112 wrote: hi! awake. koshi so scummy O rly. Tell me more. | ||
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^ This is my entire defense of all accusation. -------------------------------------------------- Now to go for scumhunting. I really don't want to omgus Grack here but I will. First Mig: On January 17 2014 03:48 Mig wrote: Grack isn't a bad 2nd candidate. He trolls as town and mafia (I feel like he does it more as mafia tho), so only trolling combined with the fact that while under pressure he just disappeared as soon as thrawn/oats started arguing and taking the heat off of him. This is the only thing that Mig has talked about that isn't Snow. I will look into previous games of Mig but I am pretty sure that Mig came into Intrigue with a post that committed to 4 reads and that there was actual fresh content in it. The reason he gives for Grack is scum is something that was said by 2 others before him. Then my opinion about Mr. Snowman. I was nodding my head when I read that case from Skanjab in the start, I agreed with it. BUT time has passed since then and the only scummy thing that Snow actually did this game is start the game "bad". Which he got a shitton of flak for and under all this pressure my scumread on him lessened which is pretty strange if he is scum because Snow posted a lot. On January 17 2014 03:46 Mig wrote: Sno is likely mafia. 1) I had the same thoughts as skan when reading sno's response to kush's question about why he seems so happy. Most townies just ignore it or dismiss it, instead of providing a real answer (which felt kind of like bs btw). 2) These posts he makes back to back In the initial post he very weakly accuses skan of possibly being mafia. Also, this is probably nothing but the stupid :/ face there doesn't really fit for a townie mindset in my eyes. If you think someone is doing something scummy why use the wishy washy face. The very next post he then implies that skan is town when he says that skan actually thinks he is scum. This doesn't really make sense unless he is mafia and already knows skan is town. #vote Sno Compared to LXIV game: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2014 07:34 Mig wrote: To Marv I am only about 50 pages in so quick thoughts are this- thrawn is very very likely town - Mafia are rarely going to fake claim this early and on top of that oftentimes millers are not self aware. Mafia wont know whether millers are self aware or not so to claim you are a self aware early on in thread is a huge gamble (if it turns out they arent self aware and one flips later on this could potentially be suicide). I am actually a bit suspicious you just ignored this right after thrawn claimed but you didn't list him under your suspicious list at least so meh. koshi/rayn both very likely town - both playing the exact same as previous games I have played with them as town. doge- likely town, every pm game I play most of the people active in pms and trying to seek people out through skype are town. The fact that he is talking to you, he also pmd me right away, is something I don't think many mafia would do unless they were extremely confident in their play (assuming you are town). Your point about him still being suspicious of bh/hopeless is another thing that appear townie to me. Scummy people I haven't had a chance to talk to WoS or Yam in pms yet but both look bad to me. WoS's posts that I have read so far are wordy with very little content. Just seems like a lot of pointless fluff. Yam - I can't really explain it but this is based on tone for me. The last big game with mayors I played with yam he ran for mayor and seemed so much more confident and his posts were way more direct and to the point. This game he starts out writing 10 paragraphs when he could have explained his thoughts in 2 and I don't see him being nearly as aggressive. I would probably prefer if one of those 2 were lynched, but I imagine I am in the minority on that for now. Cpt obvious I think would be a bad lynch candidate. He is putting 0 effort into appearing to look good, even after people have yelled at him about looking shitty. Strikes me as a bad/lazy townie. Xat - I would be ok with a Xat lynch. I don't think his indignant pms to you really point to him being town. I haven't read the most recent stuff yet but his early posts to me seem hesitant and a lot of his early questions were pointless fluff. Look at the difference, in LXIV townreads + scumreads with a couple good new reasons. I read that post in LXIV and I immediatly felt it was good. Here, I believed that Mig was on the right track with Snow so I didn't really care too much but now that I am actually awake and can see Snow is not scum for those first 5 minutes in the game I put serious ??? with Mig. Now I will look into more games from Mig and see if he does this monotome "follow up" questioning like he did after. __________________ Grack is scum for being away from the thread for 15 hours or so. Same as in LXIII, trolling into 15 hours afk. Pretty sure he didn't do it in any other game. | ||
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On January 17 2014 17:36 kushm4sta wrote: its ok because next time as scum I am going to be indecisive as fuck ofc more importantly: nubs read this agree or disagree? He could be scum because I don't consider him as scum at all. Mig town? Why? | ||
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Are you seeing this shit? It is the exact same. 1 person is scummy for Mig. All consecutive posts about this guy. ##vote: Mig | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:31 Hopeless1der wrote: i distinctly remember someone commenting on rayns game saying that he has good day1 reads and he gets worse over time. anyone remember who and when that was? This was marv and it was in Intrigue. My conspiracy senses are telling me that Hopeless knew this and was pushing Kush like this. So if Hopeless is scum Kush is town. After reading filter I guess that Hopeless is on the Grack/Kush are scum boat with rayn. However, he is not really defending or giving reasons why Snow is town and he is talking to Snow as if he is talking to a scumsuspect. So that's quite strange. Hopeless was also very vocal around the rayn/mig/toad 1 is scum period. He was sounding pretty confident and not trolly there. He might know more. All in all. Not really sure. Way less feelings about Hopeless scum than Mig/Grack. | ||
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On January 17 2014 18:25 thrawn2112 wrote: Koshi have you read all the stuff I said about hopeless? He hasn't called kush scum the entire game. The only thing he's ever said about kush is that he finds kush unreadable. So why is he voting him? Why is he voting kush over any of his scumreads, especially grack who hopless has been adamnt about all game? Here's why: Might be serious.... might just be trolling. Either option is really scummy. Either option is a terrible reason to justify voting for what he calls an unkown. I think Grack also made a good point about the way hopeless treating grack at the start being similar to how hopeless treated pandain in mason chats from Time to Die. I've already pulled those mason logs, they are in the consolidated case. His playstyle doesn't look like the one from Time to Die though. He was pushing Pandain senselessly there, I just reread and remembered thinking that for the entire game. I don't agree on Hopeless. meh. He radiates being insanely useless which is like Witchraft II. But my townread on you is 54327 times stronger than the read I have on Hopeless. Could sheep. | ||
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On January 17 2014 19:38 kushm4sta wrote: koshi this is weak. His approach is completely different in this game. That game was more of a nitpick that turned into a tunnel. Plus Mig has only been active for a very short period of time, so you can't expect him to have pushed a bunch of different people. Also he has mentioned other people he found scummy (cephiro and someone else). What? It is exactly the same. + I am working. | ||
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On January 17 2014 19:40 kushm4sta wrote: also why are you ignoring hopeless, koshi? Why are you ignoring Mig, Kush? | ||
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On January 17 2014 20:30 kushm4sta wrote: Pretty much because he's been afk for a very long time, so he doesn't have that much to analyze. So what is your read on Mig? Be specific. On January 17 2014 20:36 kushm4sta wrote: KOSHI WTF. I can't see a townie ever thinking this way. It doesn't make sense. Just because someone is town that doesn't make all their reads right. Sure Kush. Sure. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote: rayn why do i have to read the thread when i can just read some of your excellent posts instead and get summary + analysis ok nvm it is different. You are still scum. | ||
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On January 17 2014 21:04 kushm4sta wrote: LOL koshi why am i scum now? 1) You started with bussing 1 teammate and pushing 1 townie in Grack/Snow just like in Intrigue with JAT/WoS. 2) rayn case 3) On January 17 2014 15:51 kushm4sta wrote: rayn cephilis grack/mig final answer Here you have mig as scum, I make case on Mig. You call it a bad case and say Mig is null. HOWEVER, you have been agreeing with Mig his "tunnel" on Snow 24/7. | ||
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On January 17 2014 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi you post about Mig is really good. Basically what he did intered the thread when kush was under attack and didn't say anything else than attacked Sn0. That's not what town!Mig does. You better not be scum this time. I remember your comments on VE case in the not mafia game Resistance. | ||
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tell me in how many games as town you fakeclaimed (casually). As scum: Persona: Veteran fakeclaim LXIII: Mason | ||
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It was Golden Sun in which you fakeclaimed Vet. | ||
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On January 17 2014 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi in a scenario where the asshat is town who is scum? VA --> Pretending to know more than he actually does, typical town VA. thrawn/rayn --> both 7 page filters representing. town. snow --> Town or bussed like a motherfucker. Cephiro --> Sure why not? I got something to read him if he starts posting. Toadesstern --> I did like LSB banking a lot more than his play atm. Would not lynch though. Skanjab1s --> Where are the results of your questionnaire bro? There was something this guy said in LXIII why I thought he was town. Haven't seen that here. Got no scummy feelings though, so null. Grack scum, also made a case on me when he was scum in LXIII. Mig scum but I am interested in his next post. | ||
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---> How sure are you? +why is 1 out of Grack/Mig scum? | ||
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Who is actually voting me. Hmmm. He could be scum. He is a sneaky one on D1. | ||
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On January 18 2014 00:05 kushm4sta wrote: I apologize rayn. I was having fun teasing you and it's clear you weren't having fun. And that's not right. It's seriously no one fit to be my frenemy? First dumped by wos and now by rayn. Read on skanjab (sounds like some shit from Ikea) is leaning town. Good early case plus hard to explain feels. Keep in mind I have played with him more than anyone else in this game (oats has experience as well) Why is 1 out of mig/grack scum? Huh? I was not working under this assumption. Very well, then why are/were both scum? | ||
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On January 18 2014 00:46 kushm4sta wrote: Koshi I still don't get what you are going on about with the whole x or y must be scum? Is that something you think or I think or wtf is going on with that? Why did you say Mig/Grack is scum? Your scumread suddenly on Mig is what is really interesting me. Could you answer the question. Thx! | ||
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Do you actually have strong reads? | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:27 kushm4sta wrote: Seems like Koshi is doing an awful lot of telling people to read people. Cool story bro. And when you can say "cool story bro" to a post it mostly comes from scum. | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote: why would I read mig day 1? we aren't lynching him and good chance he gets shot, waste of time Exactly what I was thinking but meh. So underwhelming. ##unvote ##vote: Grackeroni | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:37 Toadesstern wrote: Also I'd like some explaining on this one. I do realize that my 1) states "he's not stupid enough to do this", while my 2) states "he's too stupid to do that" but the level of wtf is just way off there, so I woudln't call that a contradiction and place him firmly somewhere inbetween, unable to do either of the two. And he just said 3 isn't the case either. So the only thing left is 4. Is there anything you guys know about him that I don't? Would be helping. What's the reason for "make it green and it's his town meta". Is saying something that concludes that he has to be mafia his town meta because that shit doesn't make sense. It's something meta, hard to explain. He always says something cryptic that let shine he is on a higher level of understanding about stuff. But he isn't. Like when VA is town you always got this feeling he is going to find all the scums with the next post he makes, but he never does. -_- | ||
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Grack is 100% scum. | ||
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I made case on Mattchew in the game I was with rayn hydra. Pretty sure I made more cases. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: Do you have any idea how pissed off Koshi would be right now if he was getting mislynched? Look at Thug Life. IT IS NOT EVEN THE SAME. I got rnged lycnhed as the most important role in the game. I just got home from party and I see I am getting lynched with lies only. Still can't believe this will happen. Why are you pushing me Grack? Why? Also, I am tryhard but because I made case I am scummy. kkkk | ||
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Something in me says Mig is scum with Oats. On January 17 2014 17:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Grack's claim was non alignment indicative. Hmm this could be a bus. It feels a lot like a bus. Like koshi is too sure about Mig. This looks like Oats knows too much. I wasn't even that sure about Mig at that time. I just made case + voted to bait reaction from Mig. Mig defended me during the lynch so that was interesting, it makes it harder for me to keep going after him but on the other hand... Vigi Oats tonight, if he flips scum --> look at Mig. | ||
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On January 17 2014 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote: hey thrawn, does this dumb meta argument mean anything for the alignment of the people that supported it? Namely, skan, toad, mig, kush? On January 17 2014 17:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Grack's claim was non alignment indicative. Hmm this could be a bus. It feels a lot like a bus. Like koshi is too sure about Mig. On January 18 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote: also actually I agree with Ceph, in terms of mig being scummy. There is no way town Mig wouldve let that lynch go through like that. ↑All quotes Oats thinks Mig is scum, There are like 2 other posts left in which Oats mentions Mig. ↓But who will die tonight? Mig. On January 18 2014 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey kush, who do you think is dying tonight? I think probably thrawn or Mig. And next post by Oats Mig is scum again. On January 18 2014 19:56 Oatsmaster wrote: lolol yeah too angry. Exactly. So Rayn/Koshi and 1 more, maybe mig/toad. | ||
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On January 18 2014 23:19 kushm4sta wrote: koshi how about this combination? migs/cephiro/toad Hmm. Need to recheck Noir for Cephiro meta. Was it him and stutters that were bussing each other. But this is a mini though, kinda insane to buss. How did Mig actually react to that case. I don't remember. Let me check everything. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:39 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On January 17 2014 03:46 Mig wrote: Sno is likely mafia. 1) I had the same thoughts as skan when reading sno's response to kush's question about why he seems so happy. Most townies just ignore it or dismiss it, instead of providing a real answer (which felt kind of like bs btw). 2) These posts he makes back to back In the initial post he very weakly accuses skan of possibly being mafia. Also, this is probably nothing but the stupid :/ face there doesn't really fit for a townie mindset in my eyes. If you think someone is doing something scummy why use the wishy washy face. The very next post he then implies that skan is town when he says that skan actually thinks he is scum. This doesn't really make sense unless he is mafia and already knows skan is town. #vote Sno In this post Mig makes 2 points against Sn0 which are both quite ridiculous in my opinion. Why make such a big deal about a smilie? People like to use them sometimes. Like this >_>. It's an emoticon, no more. Any could be used as either alignment, doesn't say a thing. He's taking one useless sentence and making a bigger deal of it than need be, when there is a shitton of useless sentences in the game which could be said the same of. The second point just isn't valid. Why would it not make sense from town perspective? I can very well believe someone to be town even if they have a scumread on me. The word "instead" as I read it in this sentence is meant in the following sense opinion. 1) Sno originally thought skan was just fishing for responses and pushing the thread forward. ---> 1b) This is not alignment-indicative, although I read it as a "pro-town"-opinion from Sn0. 2) Sn0 however realizes that skan actually believes himself to be mafia, instead of just faking a red read on him to fish for reactions. ---> 2b) Sn0 seems to be unsure what to think of this ---> 2c) The second posts in Mig's case in my opinion is not showing a swing in either way about Sn0's thoughts about skan. On January 17 2014 04:02 Mig wrote: Also, not even sure why you mentioned this. A lot of the things you say feel fake to me. Saying you were "hoping for a productive day1". We arent even 24 hours in yet. Just feels like bs. He further pressures Sn0 with small points like these. I think pressure is a fine thing, but doing it selectively for bad reasons is not productive. Sure, it's a fluffy sentence, but can you really claim to be able to tell if it's faked or not? As mentioned before, there are tons of sentences like this from several other players as well, whom could just as well be faking them. At this point I don't like how concentrated Mig is about Sn0 being mafia with so little reasoning. On January 17 2014 04:17 Mig wrote: This post looks better but a bit concerning you only show the confidence after I called you out on it. Just looking at your responses to pressure from witchcraft, before this post you seemed so much weaker/hesitant when called out. And in one post Mig says Sn0 looks much better for seeming much more confident. Really? After that post? How does saying "cases on me are bullshit" show confidence? I very much dislike how he has emphasized that Sn0 seemed much weaker/hesitant compared to this one "confident" post. My opinion? Hardly a change. What motive would Mig have for saying this? I'm having a hard time believing he truly means these words. On January 17 2014 04:56 Mig wrote: I mentioned grack already. The longer he sits back while the focus is elsewhere the worse he looks. Not a fan of cephiro either, his vt claim while doing nothing is bad Kush is tricky and I am pretty unsure of him. Jumping into the thread and immediately attacking people seems pretty strange for him, but I know in the past hes said he has a hard time as mafia finding things to attack and he generally just makes town reads. Meh, I would certainly watch him. As you may remember, Mig is not a fan of wishywashyness. His paragaph about Kush? Pretty much exactly the definition of wishywashy. There are players who say they have certain sentences that they get tells about. For me, "I would certainly watch X" is one of those. Unless you really intend to follow up yourself, why would you say that? If you believe that player has a chance of being mafia, that means: 1) You are making the mafia player more cautions in his/her play by telling them they should be followed upon closely. ---> 1b) This may lead into the mafia player making less mistakes than they would have. 2) Why would you not do something about it instead of watching? I'm fairly sure you gain more information by pressuring someone and forcing them to reply, rather than waiting and seeing what they want to post. On January 17 2014 05:14 Mig wrote: I would say the case I presented against you had a lot more depth than anything you have posted. For one thing, I actually did some research into a past game. You happened to be the most popular target so what? Do you believe that is why I am posting against you? Or do you think I genuinely believe what I am posting? I am actually trying to find scum here instead of saying I would lynch grack because he's a lurker. For other people what do you want. It is day1, sorry I don't have the entire scum team figured out. I am still open to discussing people which is why I am still talking to you and rayn/hopleess/etc First sentence. Just because you make a post less bad than a horrible one doesn't mean you're doing well. In my opinion Mig's case can by no means be claimed to be well-made or good by any measurements. The sentence I bolded strikes weird to me. It makes it sound like he doesn't believe in what he posts. Why would that be the case for a town player trying to scumhunt? Or even if a town player was unsure of themself, there is no reason to bring it up while pressuring someone as it enables for it to be brushed aside much easier. Would you follow someone that is unsure about what they are doing? I wouldn't. He claims he is actually trying to find scum, yet it doesn't look like it to me. Certainly, no-one can be expected to find the scumteam on D1. I find it interesting that he has to mention how he is open to discussing people and explaining that it's why he is still talking with other players. Is that not a given? Or does someone really think they can nail the game without taking part in discussion? After his earlier pressure, he never takes up Sn0 again. Completely forgotten. Why is this? I would like to hear more. ##vote: Mig On January 18 2014 08:40 Toadesstern wrote: you do realize it's 20 minutes prior to deadline? On January 18 2014 08:40 Mig wrote: I have never played with cephiro Ok now look at last page of Mig filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800&user=Mig¤tpage=3 He starts happy with: On January 18 2014 08:38 Mig wrote: hopeless just randomly jumping 10 different places to try and save himself doesn't look good tho haha. Then the post from Cephiro comes and he is angry but doesn't say anything towards Cephiro. 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On January 18 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote: I like how both Rayn and Koshi are advocating Vig shots not on ceph/Vayne/sn0 but me. Also way too many unflipped association cases. Like Koshi says I have too much info? So why would I think its a bus? I would just be like super scared of koshi and attack his bad case. Are you say I am scum and vote me? | ||
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On January 18 2014 23:46 Oatsmaster wrote: nice contradictions here. Good job Koshi. So I think Mig is scum scum town scum but somehow that makes me the same alignment as Mig? Yes, because you keep addressing Mig as scum but you never push him. I am scum because I "know" Mig is scum. Which indicates that you know that Mig is scum, or at least very much suspect it. But then you get a chance to give Mig some credibility and you say "hey Mig will get shot tonight" even though you have him as scum. Which is proven by the very next post you make in which you again say Mig is scum. Who says: x is scum x is scum x is scum x will be shot tonight x is scum Doesn't make any sense. | ||
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"Even though I think Mig is scum, statistically Mig is more likely to roll town and if he is town he is likely to get shot." | ||
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On January 19 2014 00:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Like, am I slipping that I know Mig is town by saying he will be shot? Or something else? You think he is town? | ||
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Kinda ballsy to put the nightkills in 1 post though. Or maybe it is already damage control. On January 19 2014 08:00 Toadesstern wrote: because all I see is: Rayn: mentioned me about 10 times, but never really gave any explanation other than me disagreeing with him? He called me and hopeless useless but probably town, which was the most indetail explanation from him about me and after that just oh yeah, he mafia thrawn: says I'm mafia for something that's so townie that rayn insta-voted mig when he thought mig was doing the opposite kush: seems to think I'm mafia because... idk? everyone is mafia according to kush and that's really all I found so far. Good job, this'll be the 2nd time ever to be lynched as town for me in 3 years of mafia on TL. Usually people aren't so dense and I really thought I'm way to obvious about it, but whatever, rayn even thinks vayne is town for the reason he should be thinking I am town, or so I presume? | ||
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On January 19 2014 10:24 VayneAuthority wrote: why that post? Well, I was reading Kush/thrawn filters and then went to look into Mig/Toad/Oats saw this post by Toad and he already said "I am going to get lynched" So I thought he was using it as an excuse to not contribute anymore. But now I see that he posted that before the daypost. | ||
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On January 19 2014 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote: if you are going with that logic this one sticks out a lot more imo That one sticks out because Oats has been softpushing Mig as scum for the entire game but then in the night Oats say Mig will be shot. | ||
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On January 19 2014 10:33 Toadesstern wrote: so it was mafia night hit + mafia vig and not mafia+SK after all. Understood. Ohyeah, might be sk kill as well. Point is, why already say you will be misslynched before day starts? | ||
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##Vote: Mig Better than Toad imo. Toad is being extremely sneaky or is just town. | ||
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Therefore he didn't give reads because he knew he wasn't going to be shot. Or he even has vest. I will check how many times toad gives reads when town on the night deadline. | ||
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imho he isn't. It doesn't make any sense. It feels like town rayn to me and the 2 guys that are dead. Toad, why did Kush and thrawn die? | ||
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The way he talked about the miller thing early game makes me believe him. That's how I badly crumb my roles. imo we shouldn't lynch him because he should be shot this night? Not shot = 100% liar. ##unvote | ||
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Toad is not the player I expected. :D Like his previous games are just mayhem. Some games he is constantly pushing somebody writing his name in different colors. Some games he lurks. Meh. Got nothing from there. | ||
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On January 20 2014 07:21 Mig wrote: koshi you said earlier that oats being aggressive/in your face does not make him town because he has done it as mafia. Do you have any examples of games where that is true? PYP LoL mafia He survived till Day 7 because he had very active first couple of days. | ||
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Because I promised it, if you really want my theory here it is in short version: + Show Spoiler + It contained Toads as SK. Oats/Cephiro/Skanjab/Mig as scums. Kush died by mafia. (Skanjab, + last post) Thrawn by Toads. (The entire theory by Toad is to misdirect mafia) Then there is Mig/Oats/Cephiro and I can't decide which ones are scum. Also I think that 7 town 3 scum 1 SK is quite insane. But the RB on mafia enforces SK theory. I was thinking maybe 2 mafia but that is close to impossible, a 2 man team is so low... | ||
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Kush knows Skanjab and had the theory around Mig/Cephiro bus. He was a good shot. Look at how Mig plays: On January 20 2014 06:36 Mig wrote: Regardless, Toad is not the best lynch. Todays lynch. --> Toad is not best lynch but I don't give a better solution. I give you this though: On January 20 2014 07:04 Mig wrote: 1) If vayne/toad are not mafia together then seems pretty likely that vayne is town. He had obviously considered the possibility of multiple parity cops. If he were mafia he would be thrilled with the possibility of a potential counter claim. It would probably end the game for town. 2) Rayn is like 99% town. So if we ignore toad/vayn. Probably should be ignoring hopeless just based on the fact that 0 blues have flipped and if town doesn't have any medics (I am assuming this unless they are retarded and didn't protect thrawn/kush. Guess it is possible they protected rayn). But anyway would make sense for town to have vets. Possible that hopeless could be sk and took the bp option still btw but useless to consider for now. 3) So what we have ceph/sno/skan/koshi/oats. I am just going to be honest, I don't really know who is mafia. I looked back through skan's games and he doesn't have any as mafia so wasn't a lot of help. Rayn are you confident koshi is town? I asked you this earlier and don't think you answered it. 1) VA is not scum because he is not on the same scumteam with the guy I think is town. what??? 2) Hopeless is town or SK with vest. Why not mafia that lies if he is possible SK? The reasoning that Hopeless is town is because of no blue flips, but if you trow that theory out of the window there is 0 reasons for Hopeless to be SK over mafia. 3) So 3 out of these 5 are mafia. Doesn't give any probability who it is but asks for the millionth time "is Koshi town?" After that still doesn't know who the 3 mafia are between 4 candidates. Like, you can't go wrong anymore, just pick one and vote him...... | ||
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On January 21 2014 00:21 Mig wrote: Considering you still think I am mafia, you don't know who the mafia are either koshi. I was trying to narrow people down through poe on who would give the highest % chance of being mafia. Could hopeless still be mafia? Yes but he at least had something going for him which most people don't. Explain to me why you wrote down this: I think Toad is town and not a good lynch. VA is also town because he is not on the same scumteam as Toad. + Why did you write down that Hopeless is SK when you remove the possibility that he is town. Why not mafia? Both things don't make any sense. And I read your posts because you make sense. always. In all games. | ||
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On January 21 2014 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand how can you possibly come to the conclusion kush was shot byy amfia and thrawn was shot by SK, how do you even entertain the possibility regardless of who is mafia/SK? It makes absolutely zeros sense. It can both be mafia as well. It just makes sense with what they wrote down. Like Toad can be mafia 100%, with Mig/Cephiro for example. ezpz no problem. But I just found all his posts around the SK so strange, also the fact he didn't write down any reads before night (granted he doesn't do that always). I can lynch Toad. No problem. | ||
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I should force myself to reread everything but it is just too boring. Tried it yesterday but I just skip over everything. Rayn is going to be scum again. Every fucking game I have to fight the urge to call him scum. After last game I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but I felt yesterday that he could be scum. Every time I say in the thread that he is scum he is town, every time I try to ignore my feelings he is scum. Thought that minis were more my thing than big games but guess I am just terrible. I wasn’t really too happy about the Toads lynch though. It felt wrong, sadly my other targets are going to be town as well and scumteam will be rayn/Snow/VA and fuck everything. Anyway, wp | ||
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On January 21 2014 18:41 Skanjab1s wrote: Is Koshi good at scum? All games in my profile. 100% scum win ratio. | ||
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On January 21 2014 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote: What about Koshi, Vayne and Twe3k? What about not Koshi. | ||
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On January 21 2014 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote: ok lets say you die tonight, who should we lynch? btw. Oats. This is a classic. Like. I would give you instant townread only for this. Major facepalm moment into rage. | ||
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He can call me a cow as much as he likes. On January 21 2014 11:33 Mig wrote: Well sorry to break it to you bud but I am in fact town haha. I played pretty shitty this game honestly, especially for my standards. I am not going to quit and if I survive the night I will make what I think are the optimal choices but I am not going to kill myself reading through tons of stuff for hours. Sorry friendo. Just some advice for the future, ordering people to provide you analysis doesn't really motivate them. I already know I am town and I don't really give a shit whether you think I am or not. You can try to lynch me all you want and if you succeed then you will have just lost the game and I will just laugh at you and call you a moo cow so who cares? Anyway instead of just ordering someone to provide you analysis maybe look at the tone of my posts and ask yourself whether I would be posting this casually/carefree as mafia, maybe look back at my meta and read my best mafia games to see if this is how I play. There is any number of things you could do that would be more productive than hounding me constantly. If mafia feel free to ignore everything I have said. Mig, show me a game in which you call people cows. Also show me a game in which you have a bad game. Not because you can't have a bad game. I have reasons. | ||
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VA thought he would die --> Puts Snow under pressure. Cephiro says VA should have died but didn't so VA is scummy --> Puts Snow in the closet. Imo lynch The evul Snowman. I believe VA is town, Mig is town. ##vote: Sn0_man | ||
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Mig says Snowman is scum. Mig gets shot by scum. If VA is scum with Snowman he is not going to shoot somebody who thinks Snow is scum and then also put Snow under pressure in his "goodbye post". Therefore VA is not scum with Snowman. So either VA is pushing Snowman misslynch by shooting Mig and then also putting Snow under pressure in his "goodbye post". Or VA is town and Snowman the best lynch. Skanjab is also scum. He is trying to discredit VA, asked that dumb question about SK yesterday to me. Cephiro is scum for panicking after shooting Mig and seeing VA list. Like I could even lynch Cephiro first. Because he KNEW that Mig was going to die and had to find something else to go ballistic about. LETS CLAIM SK LULULULUL ##unvote ##vote: Cephiro | ||
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On January 22 2014 18:26 Skanjab1s wrote: Oh god Koshi everything you say is wrong. Except the sno stuff, I could lynch sno today too Explain to me how Snow and VA are scum together which you seem to think? | ||
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On January 22 2014 18:34 Skanjab1s wrote: VA pressures sn0 at night because people on scumteam are able to call their scummates scummy, this isn't an unheard-of concept. If he calls him scummy in a giant list post at night along with a few other people nobody is going to care when he ignores sn0 during the day. How do you feel about VA ignoring you? Are you scum with VA? | ||
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On January 22 2014 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is look at how Koshi approaches it. "Lynch Sno. I believe VA is town." "I am not sure if VA is town. Either Sn0 is a mislynch and VA is scum, or Sn0 is scum and Cephiro is trying to save him and win the game here." "Lynch Cephiro". Koshi is saying Cephiro is mafia because he paniced when he saw VA's list and thought Sn0 was gonna get lynched (because in Koshi's theory noone else as mafia would get lynched (Skan/Ceph) as i was pushing Oats and Cephiro wasn't really under pressure). For Cephiro to be mafia Sn0 must be mafia - it's the only way, but Koshi is voting for Cephiro who is only mafia due to unflipped player's association. I could also vote Snow, which I did. But the votes are on Cephiro so I joined in.... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z3teKQsXiFM/UE8A9syyyxI/AAAAAAAAESk/xL3aFKE7qNs/s1600/Cute-Baby-Seal.jpg) | ||
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On January 24 2014 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi i would have been so mad if you were town. srsly. Who are your scumbuddies?  lol You can't read my pokerface. My face when I didn't get lynched D1 and we lynched Grack. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.tuckamorelodge.com/data/media/12/baby-harp-seal_78.jpg) | ||
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On January 24 2014 08:00 VayneAuthority wrote: lol baby seals OP. thank god we finally got one. You are the man VA. Really. I also give you a 3/10 this game. My face when I didn't get lynched D2 and we lynched Toad. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3rgu9pSnW1rn7r5ao3_500.jpg) | ||
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On January 24 2014 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also thanks for info, let's see who voted for Koshi on D1, they are pretty likely town. I don't give away info. This is what I did during D3. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kzqpnow3qwI/T4gyarVk4JI/AAAAAAAAEbg/94AWQ2FmExo/s1600/Baby+Seal+3..jpg) | ||
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On January 24 2014 08:06 Cephiro wrote: All them seals ♥ Yes, but now it is time to go guis. got to sleep. Cya on the flipside. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cute-baby-seal-waving.jpg) | ||
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