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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 07:48 GMT
#762
if it's not an actual commitment then why is he voting you? why isn't he voting his actual scumread grack?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 07:50 GMT
#764
i'm not saying it hasn't to be a commitment for him to be scum either. all it has to be is a stupid ass reason for a scum to vote for town. which it is.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 07:51 GMT
#765
hopeless.

pleas explain why you are voting for someone you say is unreadable

please explain why you aren';t voting for the person you told to post baby seals
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 07:59 GMT
#769
where did he go....
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:00 GMT
#770
On January 17 2014 16:46 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn i dont think it's an actual commitment that hopeless is making because the post is almost pure troll.
Has he ever trolled a lot as town? I don't remember it.


oh and i think using pure troll logic to justify a vote on his null read even though he has a super-confident scum read is pretty scummy
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:07 GMT
#772
On January 17 2014 16:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Mostly because when I have played with town Hopeless he is usually more open minded. In this game his reaction to me trying to talk to him reminded me of him in Pandain's mason chat in Time to Die.


yes



Hopeless
+ Show Spoiler +
Pandain
11-22-2013
11:20 PM ET (US)
EDIT
DELETE
So now that I'm pretty obvious town who do you think is scum and town
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Pandain
11-22-2013
01:35 PM ET (US)
stop lol
I hope youre scum because if so this is extra hilarious
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hopeless1der
11-22-2013
01:34 PM ET (US)
Now you want to chat? Nah, not wasting my time. gg scum
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Pandain
11-22-2013
01:28 PM ET (US)
who else are you suspicious of and who do you think is town
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Pandain
11-21-2013
11:00 PM ET (US)
stop im not scum lol
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Pandain
11-21-2013
05:43 PM ET (US)
jk
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hopeless1der
11-21-2013
05:41 PM ET (US)
well that was fun, we should do this again some time. gotta go out shortly. If there was a point to masoning me be sure to mention for when I'm back.
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Pandain
11-21-2013
05:33 PM ET (US)
yes
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Pandain
11-21-2013
05:33 PM ET (US)
lol
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hopeless1der
11-21-2013
05:24 PM ET (US)
oh this should be good. you need me to proofread your case on rayn before you post it?
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-21-2013
05:02 PM ET (US)
Pandain and Hopeless1der mason Day 3/Night 3


most of this page
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:30 GMT
#776
yeah kush point # 4 is the best part. kush making point #1 might get you lynched in some games because kenpachi sheepers

i didnt realize he also thinks skan is scum... that makes the kush vote even worse
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:33 GMT
#779
On January 17 2014 17:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
kush dont need to open no filters as scum, HE KNOWS.



yeah he changes his meta al the fucjkng time so saying "he trolls as X or he's stupid as X or is srs as X" doesn't help u figure him out. one way to read him is that when he's scum it's always super obvious that he knows alignments. doesn't matter if he's bussing or not. look at this game and look at the PM game. here he shows hesitancy, is unsure about things. last game he like "nope these my reads these are correct look how good I am at this game"
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:35 GMT
#781
On January 17 2014 17:32 kushm4sta wrote:
how does point 1 get me sheeped?? When people claim VT for no reason that is a huge benefit for scum.
Do you think he got VT then was like, oh let me just claim it for no reason? no. I think he did it because he thought it would make him look town.


lots of people will lynch you for shitting on VT claims because they blindly follow scumhunting methods. the kenpachi stuff.

time to read koshi post
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:37 GMT
#783
On January 17 2014 17:34 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck thrawn metasolved me


actually i'm just rephrasing something you said a very long time ago when you were pissed that people claimed to know how to meta read you lol. you change ur meta lots. but there is underlying meta that seems to be impossible for you to change

and there are some other things but i want to at least keep some of it for myself lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:42 GMT
#784
koshi i agree about mig

but the more pressing issue is that hopless is mafia

also grack claimed doctor

and u r still scummy
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:45 GMT
#787
On January 17 2014 17:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 17:36 kushm4sta wrote:
its ok because next time as scum I am going to be indecisive as fuck ofc

more importantly:
nubs read this
agree or disagree?

He could be scum because I don't consider him as scum at all.

Mig town? Why?


bolded is really really good reason that i thought of earlier but forgot to mention. koshi u not scummy now
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:52 GMT
#789
Here is a consolidated hopeless case. The most important parts are kush's point #4 which is almost everything I talk about, and the evidence from Time to Die which grack mentioned.

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 17 2014 16:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
hopeless i have no idea wtf you are doing right now

you are voting kush, the last thing you said bout kush is that he is completely unreadable. the only reason you are lynching him is because

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process
option a) kush flips scum
option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego
option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd)

thats a win-win(-) to me.


rayn said you can lynch him (lynch rayn) if kush flips green. but you don';t even think rayn is scum. so you've committed to lynching an unkown, and then a townread if the unkown flips green

what the hell man


On January 17 2014 17:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 16:46 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn i dont think it's an actual commitment that hopeless is making because the post is almost pure troll.
Has he ever trolled a lot as town? I don't remember it.


oh and i think using pure troll logic to justify a vote on his null read even though he has a super-confident scum read is pretty scummy


On January 17 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 16:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Mostly because when I have played with town Hopeless he is usually more open minded. In this game his reaction to me trying to talk to him reminded me of him in Pandain's mason chat in Time to Die.


yes

Show nested quote +


Hopeless
+ Show Spoiler +
Pandain
11-22-2013
11:20 PM ET (US)
EDIT
DELETE
So now that I'm pretty obvious town who do you think is scum and town
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Pandain
11-22-2013
01:35 PM ET (US)
stop lol
I hope youre scum because if so this is extra hilarious
9
hopeless1der
11-22-2013
01:34 PM ET (US)
Now you want to chat? Nah, not wasting my time. gg scum
8
Pandain
11-22-2013
01:28 PM ET (US)
who else are you suspicious of and who do you think is town
7
Pandain
11-21-2013
11:00 PM ET (US)
stop im not scum lol
6
Pandain
11-21-2013
05:43 PM ET (US)
jk
5
hopeless1der
11-21-2013
05:41 PM ET (US)
well that was fun, we should do this again some time. gotta go out shortly. If there was a point to masoning me be sure to mention for when I'm back.
4
Pandain
11-21-2013
05:33 PM ET (US)
yes
3
Pandain
11-21-2013
05:33 PM ET (US)
lol
2
hopeless1der
11-21-2013
05:24 PM ET (US)
oh this should be good. you need me to proofread your case on rayn before you post it?
1
marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-21-2013
05:02 PM ET (US)
Pandain and Hopeless1der mason Day 3/Night 3


most of this page


On January 17 2014 17:22 kushm4sta wrote:
1 vt claim
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 10:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
i'm catching up on AGDQ i missed out on. I'm just peachy. No wait banana-y

hopeless claimed vt. I don't think he'd be dumb enough to do this as an actual vt. It's actually a deeply anti town thing to do in this setup.


2 scum perspective
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 10:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 16 2014 10:08 Cephiro wrote:
On January 16 2014 10:01 Toadesstern wrote:
So Ceph, what was your your thought process when you figured it's a good idea to explain that there's no self-aware millers?

There's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller.


My thought process was this long:

1. See false information in thread
2. Post right information in thread
3. ???
4. Answer your question about my thought process.

There pretty much wasn't one. I also fail to see how it's relevant whether I said that or not. I can't see someone being stupid enough to claim miller at this point in the game.

considering he had the option to leave it alone and tell his scumbuddies they can't fakeclaim this explanation makes the most sense.

He provides a scum perspective, which he thinks will look helpful in this context.


3 Restating other people's ideas
A lot of his content has been elucidating other people's points to try to look helpful:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 01:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
That is the basic idea behind what rayn is saying you did skanjab. And here you are maintaining that your case is legit and sn0 is totes scum for joking about lynching the host when there were basically no posts in thread.

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 04:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 17 2014 04:54 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 17 2014 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad:

1) "The way he is posting" is a bullshit argument. It's an argument people use when they can't make real arguments. It's just like saying "his tone is scummy". Look at his past games, come back and tell me how does it differ. All the games, not just one.

2) No, i have been saying it all the time. Explain, with quotes. All the time, after Mig posted, i have said his posts are suspicious. If you are talking about something else here explain what and elaborate properly.


About 2) I didn't see any quotes or explanations in the post I quoted. Just a one- or twoliner that looked like throwing mud.

About 1) it's exactly what got Xatalos got lynched in the failgame. It's essentially the same thing because it's not a thing that is limited to Xatalos but a LOT of mafias.

Toad that catalogs point is very different. Marv and rayn were very specific in saying that Xata does something as scum that he DOESN'T do as town. There is no basis to make that comparison on sn0's behalf unless he has literally never made a wishywashy statement ever before (since he's never rolled scum before)

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 07:11 Hope
On January 17 2014 08:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
right. rayn's argument is that kush does not have the ability to flip town.

less1der wrote:

On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know ) that mig is town

no that statement says mig os scum or rayn is scum. with the corollary that sn0 is town if mig is scum

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 08:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
right. rayn's argument is that kush does not have the ability to flip town.



4 His voting is not consistent with his reads
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 07:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 17 2014 07:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hopeless, how come all of your posts involve neither scumhunting nor any sort of insight into your reads?


because you cant read between the lines. also my reads are maleable. grack is scum. skan is probably scum. kush (who i havent really commented on) is unreadable to me so far. I wouldnt cry if he was lynched.

This post that thrawn brought up already. He indicates 2 people who he believes are more likely to flip scum than me, including someone who IS scum. And he votes me shortly after without any indication that his read on me has changed.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 08:54 GMT
#790
Koshi could you please talk about hopeless? i like your points about Mig, but I don't like how you're ignoring the obvious issue.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 09:25 GMT
#793
Koshi have you read all the stuff I said about hopeless? He hasn't called kush scum the entire game. The only thing he's ever said about kush is that he finds kush unreadable. So why is he voting him? Why is he voting kush over any of his scumreads, especially grack who hopless has been adamnt about all game? Here's why:

On January 17 2014 08:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
can i lynch you if your wrong rayn?



On January 17 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process
option a) kush flips scum
option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego
option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd)

thats a win-win(-) to me.


Might be serious.... might just be trolling. Either option is really scummy. Either option is a terrible reason to justify voting for what he calls an unkown. I think Grack also made a good point about the way hopeless treating grack at the start being similar to how hopeless treated pandain in mason chats from Time to Die. I've already pulled those mason logs, they are in the consolidated case.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 15:49 GMT
#871
hahahahahahahahahaha

oh wow
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 15:53 GMT
#876
rayn how does it feel to publicy shamed by kush
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 15:57 GMT
#879
On January 18 2014 00:56 Mig wrote:
The hopeless/grack interactions are pretty strange. Both seem confident that the other is mafia but neither of them push for each other. They make one liners sniping at each other but neither really attempts to get the other lynched.


Did you read any of the Time to Die stuff? Hopeless can be fairly brazen as scum. Esp in Pandain's mason logs
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 16:05 GMT
#883
On January 18 2014 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 00:56 Mig wrote:
The hopeless/grack interactions are pretty strange. Both seem confident that the other is mafia but neither of them push for each other. They make one liners sniping at each other but neither really attempts to get the other lynched.

short of saying "hey guys go look at grack" every 5 minutes, what is there for me to discuss? How should I go about pushing his lynch? I don't have a known persona for bullying people nor do people expect me to have good reads, so fuck it. lynch kush. if hes scum coolbeans if hes town I get to laugh at rayn.


rayn isn't even voting kush i have no idea what you think is going on
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 17 2014 16:07 GMT
#885
On January 18 2014 01:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn isnt willing to die anymore. hmmmmmm


oh shut the fuck up hopeless, dont act like that's any fucking reason to actually vote anyone
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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