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1 vt claim
On January 16 2014 10:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
i'm catching up on AGDQ i missed out on. I'm just peachy. No wait banana-y
hopeless claimed vt. I don't think he'd be dumb enough to do this as an actual vt. It's actually a deeply anti town thing to do in this setup.
2 scum perspective
On January 16 2014 10:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 10:08 Cephiro wrote:On January 16 2014 10:01 Toadesstern wrote:
So Ceph, what was your your thought process when you figured it's a good idea to explain that there's no self-aware millers?
There's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller. My thought process was this long: 1. See false information in thread 2. Post right information in thread 3. ??? 4. Answer your question about my thought process. There pretty much wasn't one. I also fail to see how it's relevant whether I said that or not. I can't see someone being stupid enough to claim miller at this point in the game. considering he had the option to leave it alone and tell his scumbuddies they can't fakeclaim this explanation makes the most sense.
He provides a scum perspective, which he thinks will look helpful in this context.
3 Restating other people's ideas
A lot of his content has been elucidating other people's points to try to look helpful:
On January 17 2014 01:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
That is the basic idea behind what rayn is saying you did skanjab. And here you are maintaining that your case is legit and sn0 is totes scum for joking about lynching the host when there were basically no posts in thread.
On January 17 2014 04:58 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad:
1) "The way he is posting" is a bullshit argument. It's an argument people use when they can't make real arguments. It's just like saying "his tone is scummy". Look at his past games, come back and tell me how does it differ. All the games, not just one.
2) No, i have been saying it all the time. Explain, with quotes. All the time, after Mig posted, i have said his posts are suspicious. If you are talking about something else here explain what and elaborate properly. About 2) I didn't see any quotes or explanations in the post I quoted. Just a one- or twoliner that looked like throwing mud. About 1) it's exactly what got Xatalos got lynched in the failgame. It's essentially the same thing because it's not a thing that is limited to Xatalos but a LOT of mafias. Toad that catalogs point is very different. Marv and rayn were very specific in saying that Xata does something as scum that he DOESN'T do as town. There is no basis to make that comparison on sn0's behalf unless he has literally never made a wishywashy statement ever before (since he's never rolled scum before)
On January 17 2014 07:11 HopeOn January 17 2014 08:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
right. rayn's argument is that kush does not have the ability to flip town.
less1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know  ) that mig is town no that statement says mig os scum or rayn is scum. with the corollary that sn0 is town if mig is scum
On January 17 2014 08:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
right. rayn's argument is that kush does not have the ability to flip town.
4 His voting is not consistent with his reads
On January 17 2014 07:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hopeless, how come all of your posts involve neither scumhunting nor any sort of insight into your reads?
because you cant read between the lines. also my reads are maleable. grack is scum. skan is probably scum. kush (who i havent really commented on) is unreadable to me so far. I wouldnt cry if he was lynched.
This post that thrawn brought up already. He indicates 2 people who he believes are more likely to flip scum than me, including someone who IS scum. And he votes me shortly after without any indication that his read on me has changed.
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how does point 1 get me sheeped?? When people claim VT for no reason that is a huge benefit for scum.
Do you think he got VT then was like, oh let me just claim it for no reason? no. I think he did it because he thought it would make him look town.
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fuck thrawn metasolved me
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its ok because next time as scum I am going to be indecisive as fuck ofc
more importantly:
nubs read this
agree or disagree?
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On January 17 2014 17:49 Koshi wrote:Mig last scumgame in database: Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:20 Mig wrote:
Palmar how is iGrok opening the game with a planned vote on BA impulsive?
The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place. On September 09 2011 06:36 Mig wrote:
I would be down with lynching palmar/igrok/taa
Palmar starts off with voting chaos for a retarded reason. Follows it up with defending igrok repeatedly with shitty reasoning. When asked his opinion on why igrok is a bad lynch and GGQ is better he responds again defending iGrok and doesn't even mention GGQ.
#Vote Palmar On September 09 2011 06:48 Mig wrote:
What doesn't make sense about what I said concerning palmar?
Palmar's logic behind his vote for chaos and his defense of iGrok is flawed. When asked to give a reason for why he thinks GGQ is scummy he ignores it. On September 09 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Palmar you have spent practically all your time this game defending igrok instead of doing any actual scum hunting, which is extremely unlike you. Your initial reason for voting chaos was ridiculous and nonsensical. You said GGQ was a good lynch but once someone asked you why you completely ignored them, probably because you didn't actually have any reason behind it. Now you are voting me based on what exactly? Because I pointed out all the inconsistencies in your play? On September 09 2011 09:49 Mig wrote:
Palmar I really laugh at you saying there is a 5% chance of iGrok flipping scum. Please can you show me anything that makes it so incredibly clear that iGrok is town, other than the retarded idea that because he random voted at the beginning of the game it makes him town.
I am sure most of the town has played several times with palmar's town play in the past. Does palmar ever defend anyone this hard day1 as town? It's completely opposite of palmar's normal play.
And you say I am trying to push policy lynches wtf? You are twisting things to try and make me appear scummy. Me pushing for your lynch because you are playing completely differently than normal and defending someone with horrible reasoning is in no way a policy lynch.
Really the only explanation for palmar's poor logic and his non stop insistence that iGrok is guaranteed town is that palmar is scum. On September 09 2011 09:53 Mig wrote:
Palmar never hard defends someone day1 as town. He knows as town you are working with very little information day1 so your reads are never going to be perfect. His certainty about iGrok's alignment is such a clear giveaway that he is scum. Are you seeing this shit? It is the exact same. 1 person is scummy for Mig. All consecutive posts about this guy. ##vote: Mig
koshi this is weak. His approach is completely different in this game. That game was more of a nitpick that turned into a tunnel.
Plus Mig has only been active for a very short period of time, so you can't expect him to have pushed a bunch of different people.
Also he has mentioned other people he found scummy (cephiro and someone else).
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also why are you ignoring hopeless, koshi?
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On January 17 2014 20:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 19:40 kushm4sta wrote:
also why are you ignoring hopeless, koshi? Why are you ignoring Mig, Kush?
Pretty much because he's been afk for a very long time, so he doesn't have that much to analyze.
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On January 17 2014 19:45 Koshi wrote:
I don't agree on Hopeless. meh. He radiates being insanely useless which is like Witchraft II.
But my townread on you is 54327 times stronger than the read I have on Hopeless. Could sheep.
KOSHI WTF. I can't see a townie ever thinking this way. It doesn't make sense. Just because someone is town that doesn't make all their reads right.
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On January 17 2014 20:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 20:30 kushm4sta wrote:On January 17 2014 20:10 Koshi wrote:On January 17 2014 19:40 kushm4sta wrote:
also why are you ignoring hopeless, koshi? Why are you ignoring Mig, Kush? Pretty much because he's been afk for a very long time, so he doesn't have that much to analyze. So what is your read on Mig? Be specific. Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 20:36 kushm4sta wrote:On January 17 2014 19:45 Koshi wrote:
I don't agree on Hopeless. meh. He radiates being insanely useless which is like Witchraft II.
But my townread on you is 54327 times stronger than the read I have on Hopeless. Could sheep. KOSHI WTF. I can't see a townie ever thinking this way. It doesn't make sense. Just because someone is town that doesn't make all their reads right. Sure Kush. Sure.
What does "sure kush sure" mean? Is what im saying not valid or are you joking or what?
Also my read on mig is mostly null. Like I said he does not have a lot of content to analyze. Haven't read his filter but so what. Lots of people whose filters I haven't read.
Anyway koshi is near 100% scum. Possibly even scummier than hopeless.
Hopeless/koshi/x scumteam fo sho
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On January 17 2014 20:59 Koshi wrote:
It is you that has a quote as town in this thread that says "hey rayn who can I sheep because you are my townread". Now you say that no townie does that.
context is totally different.
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LOL koshi why am i scum now?
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Rayn could be the x in hopeless/koshi/x. The problem is Rayn's d1 is so bad as town, it's hard to align his atrocious logic this game.
Message to hypothetical townrayn: if some doesn't address something to your satisfaction THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEM SCUM.
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Here's where I tear about Koshi's scumcase on me (which was pure omgus out of no where BTW)
On January 17 2014 21:08 Koshi wrote:1) You started with bussing 1 teammate and pushing 1 townie in Grack/Snow just like in Intrigue with JAT/WoS. So what we have here is a d1 tripple connection theory which uses invalid meta as its premise. 2) rayn case 3) Here you have mig as scum, I make case on Mig. You call it a bad case and say Mig is null. HOWEVER, you have been agreeing with Mig his "tunnel" on Snow 24/7.
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Why would I push in the same exact pattern that I just did in my last scumgame?
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I wipe the head of my dick with rayn's case after i take a piss
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That list had near zero thought behind it. That's why I made a shit ton of them, all different lolol.
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BTW you guys are straight up dumb if you think I'm gonna be your mislynch. Because I will never get mislynched by your underbalanced sorry excuse for a scumteam.
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i read some of that filter.
also i get shit wrong all the time as town. I misremember and misrepresent things a lot as town because I don't read closely.
RAYN read koshi plz
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rayn i have a deal for you. Regardless of what happens the rest of this game, if we are both town, and I am right and you are wrong, you will publicly admit that you suck the nuts at d1.
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u agree yes or no? virtual pinkie swear this shit.
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On January 17 2014 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just play the fucking game and don't be an idiot if you are town.
Stop lying and play the fucking game.
so that is a no? I thought you liked deals bra. What am i lying about now btw? You have basically picked out things ive said that argued as not true, and you are calling them lies.
"YOU SUCK AT D1" (excuse my ad hominem .i am making a point)
that is an opinion not a lie.
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*you are basically picking out things ive said that can be argued are not true, and you are calling those things lies.
Mig and Turtlewhatever teh fuck his name AGREED with me about the apparent difference in sn0's attitude. Are they also lying?
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my case on oats was shit. It wasn't a lie.
What I said about sn0. I did not use the right words for describing how he is different. Mig's is much better. But his first several posts are all attacking WoS. Was what I said about all his posts attacking an exaggeration? yes
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