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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:02 GMT
#1457
Also, I don't think Kush is scum anymore. Unless he is scum leader and the other scummers are afkers.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:05 GMT
#1459
I don't feel that team. Oats/Mig/Toad way better.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:07 GMT
#1462
Mig had to do something. He hasn't done anything decent this game. Better save a "strong" townie then and not give reads at all.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:14 GMT
#1463
On January 17 2014 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey thrawn, does this dumb meta argument mean anything for the alignment of the people that supported it? Namely, skan, toad, mig, kush?

On January 17 2014 17:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Grack's claim was non alignment indicative.

Hmm this could be a bus. It feels a lot like a bus. Like koshi is too sure about Mig.

On January 18 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
also actually I agree with Ceph, in terms of mig being scummy. There is no way town Mig wouldve let that lynch go through like that.

↑All quotes Oats thinks Mig is scum, There are like 2 other posts left in which Oats mentions Mig.

↓But who will die tonight? Mig.
On January 18 2014 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 14:09 kushm4sta wrote:
look how hard oatsmaster is trying with his shitty cases lol.
I think he's scum.

Hey kush, who do you think is dying tonight?
I think probably thrawn or Mig.


And next post by Oats Mig is scum again.
On January 18 2014 19:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
lolol yeah too angry. Exactly. So Rayn/Koshi and 1 more, maybe mig/toad.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:15 GMT
#1464
Vigi Oats. Then we can talk.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:20 GMT
#1468
On January 18 2014 23:19 kushm4sta wrote:
koshi how about this combination? migs/cephiro/toad

Hmm. Need to recheck Noir for Cephiro meta. Was it him and stutters that were bussing each other. But this is a mini though, kinda insane to buss.

How did Mig actually react to that case. I don't remember. Let me check everything.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:33 GMT
#1473
Look at case from Cephiro at minute 39. Instantly Mig and Toad reply to the fact that there is a case but don't address anything that is written in it.
On January 18 2014 08:39 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On January 17 2014 03:46 Mig wrote:
Sno is likely mafia.

1) I had the same thoughts as skan when reading sno's response to kush's question about why he seems so happy. Most townies just ignore it or dismiss it, instead of providing a real answer (which felt kind of like bs btw).

2) These posts he makes back to back

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 17 2014 01:07 Skanjab1s wrote:
Oh wow, rayn, you actually think I'm opting out of discussion?

Really?

On January 17 2014 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh.. this is gonna be really hard to figure out because Skanjab1s made a terrible terrible case on yamato in Hogwarts aswell.
As sad it is he could do this as town..

Making opening cases on people and then getting called scum for it is what I do, yo.
On January 17 2014 01:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes I was intentionally lying skan, see my followup post.

I find it hilarious you think rayn CANT get you lynched. Trololol


He can't. I mean, he's welcome to try, but it wont work.

This sounds a lot like "I intentionally made a worthless case cuz its my town meta and I gotta match that".

Which sounds a lot like scum :/


Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well I was starting to think that you might have just been trying to get the thread moving and fishing for responses, which would be quite understandable, but instead it seems that you actually think I'm scum or something.

Jeeeeez.


In the initial post he very weakly accuses skan of possibly being mafia. Also, this is probably nothing but the stupid :/ face there doesn't really fit for a townie mindset in my eyes. If you think someone is doing something scummy why use the wishy washy face.

The very next post he then implies that skan is town when he says that skan actually thinks he is scum. This doesn't really make sense unless he is mafia and already knows skan is town.


#vote Sno




In this post Mig makes 2 points against Sn0 which are both quite ridiculous in my opinion. Why make such a big deal about a smilie? People like to use them sometimes. Like this >_>. It's an emoticon, no more. Any could be used as either alignment, doesn't say a thing. He's taking one useless sentence and making a bigger deal of it than need be, when there is a shitton of useless sentences in the game which could be said the same of.

The second point just isn't valid. Why would it not make sense from town perspective? I can very well believe someone to be town even if they have a scumread on me. The word "instead" as I read it in this sentence is meant in the following sense opinion.

1) Sno originally thought skan was just fishing for responses and pushing the thread forward.
---> 1b) This is not alignment-indicative, although I read it as a "pro-town"-opinion from Sn0.
2) Sn0 however realizes that skan actually believes himself to be mafia, instead of just faking a red read on him to fish for reactions.
---> 2b) Sn0 seems to be unsure what to think of this
---> 2c) The second posts in Mig's case in my opinion is not showing a swing in either way about Sn0's thoughts about skan.

On January 17 2014 04:02 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 03:56 Sn0_Man wrote:

At least Mig is here and playing finally. I believe that means everybody has posted at least once.


Also, not even sure why you mentioned this. A lot of the things you say feel fake to me. Saying you were "hoping for a productive day1". We arent even 24 hours in yet. Just feels like bs.


He further pressures Sn0 with small points like these. I think pressure is a fine thing, but doing it selectively for bad reasons is not productive. Sure, it's a fluffy sentence, but can you really claim to be able to tell if it's faked or not? As mentioned before, there are tons of sentences like this from several other players as well, whom could just as well be faking them.

At this point I don't like how concentrated Mig is about Sn0 being mafia with so little reasoning.

On January 17 2014 04:17 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 04:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
Cases on me are always such bullshit.

"Omg Sn0 joked about lynching the host cuz he fucked up the daypost. Obvious scum too much flippancy"
followed by
"Omg Sn0 insufficiently flippant this game. Obvious scum too much srs"

get real.



This post looks better but a bit concerning you only show the confidence after I called you out on it.

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 03:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS of course we aren't lynching me I've
A) never rolled scum
B) only been mislynched once. At lylo. Due to rayn being rayn and onegu being fucking op as scum.

Day 1s are always awful for me tho since how the hell should I know who scum is?


Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 03:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
I dont do stuff D1 WoS you silly person you.


Just looking at your responses to pressure from witchcraft, before this post you seemed so much weaker/hesitant when called out.


And in one post Mig says Sn0 looks much better for seeming much more confident. Really? After that post? How does saying "cases on me are bullshit" show confidence? I very much dislike how he has emphasized that Sn0 seemed much weaker/hesitant compared to this one "confident" post. My opinion? Hardly a change. What motive would Mig have for saying this? I'm having a hard time believing he truly means these words.

On January 17 2014 04:56 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
Tell you what mig, even if you are certain I'm scum there are at least 2 more scum out there plus or minus a serial killer. Who else is anti-town and why?

You've jumped into the thread and spoke of nothing except "omg sno scum lynchzorz". I'd like something more to read YOU by if you would be so kind.


I mentioned grack already. The longer he sits back while the focus is elsewhere the worse he looks.

Not a fan of cephiro either, his vt claim while doing nothing is bad

Kush is tricky and I am pretty unsure of him. Jumping into the thread and immediately attacking people seems pretty strange for him, but I know in the past hes said he has a hard time as mafia finding things to attack and he generally just makes town reads. Meh, I would certainly watch him.


As you may remember, Mig is not a fan of wishywashyness. His paragaph about Kush? Pretty much exactly the definition of wishywashy. There are players who say they have certain sentences that they get tells about. For me, "I would certainly watch X" is one of those. Unless you really intend to follow up yourself, why would you say that? If you believe that player has a chance of being mafia, that means:
1) You are making the mafia player more cautions in his/her play by telling them they should be followed upon closely.
---> 1b) This may lead into the mafia player making less mistakes than they would have.
2) Why would you not do something about it instead of watching? I'm fairly sure you gain more information by pressuring someone and forcing them to reply, rather than waiting and seeing what they want to post.

On January 17 2014 05:14 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 05:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
OK come on.

I've been posting, pointing out inconsistencies that I see, demonstrably showing how my reads are developing on Hopeless, Skanjab, etc. I haven't exactly nailed scum yet but I'm trying to be transparent and keep the thread moving in a positive direction.

You drop into the thread, blast the current most popular target, then toss out "oh yeah and those 2 lurkers must be the other scum cuz I'm too lazy to come up with anything else".


I would say the case I presented against you had a lot more depth than anything you have posted. For one thing, I actually did some research into a past game. You happened to be the most popular target so what? Do you believe that is why I am posting against you? Or do you think I genuinely believe what I am posting? I am actually trying to find scum here instead of saying I would lynch grack because he's a lurker.

For other people what do you want. It is day1, sorry I don't have the entire scum team figured out. I am still open to discussing people which is why I am still talking to you and rayn/hopleess/etc


First sentence. Just because you make a post less bad than a horrible one doesn't mean you're doing well. In my opinion Mig's case can by no means be claimed to be well-made or good by any measurements. The sentence I bolded strikes weird to me. It makes it sound like he doesn't believe in what he posts. Why would that be the case for a town player trying to scumhunt? Or even if a town player was unsure of themself, there is no reason to bring it up while pressuring someone as it enables for it to be brushed aside much easier. Would you follow someone that is unsure about what they are doing? I wouldn't.

He claims he is actually trying to find scum, yet it doesn't look like it to me. Certainly, no-one can be expected to find the scumteam on D1. I find it interesting that he has to mention how he is open to discussing people and explaining that it's why he is still talking with other players. Is that not a given? Or does someone really think they can nail the game without taking part in discussion?

After his earlier pressure, he never takes up Sn0 again. Completely forgotten. Why is this? I would like to hear more.

##vote: Mig


On January 18 2014 08:40 Toadesstern wrote:
you do realize it's 20 minutes prior to deadline?


On January 18 2014 08:40 Mig wrote:
I have never played with cephiro


On January 18 2014 08:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 08:40 Toadesstern wrote:
you do realize it's 20 minutes prior to deadline?

that was @Ceph's wall of text


Ok now look at last page of Mig filter.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800&user=Mig&currentpage=3

He starts happy with:
On January 18 2014 08:38 Mig wrote:
hopeless just randomly jumping 10 different places to try and save himself doesn't look good tho haha.

Then the post from Cephiro comes and he is angry but doesn't say anything towards Cephiro. I could go further and say that the "bs" comment and the "terrible play" comment are redirected to Cephiro but let's ignore that ;D.
On January 18 2014 08:46 Mig wrote:
Lynch grack, that hopeless reasoning is bs. If hopeless was actually doc he wouldn't claim it 15 min before lynch?

On January 18 2014 08:47 Mig wrote:
Also, earlier grack was saying he deserved to be lynched and now he can't believe we are lynching him and it is terrible play. Yea don't believe it.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:34 GMT
#1474
Doesn't mean Cephiro is scum with those 2, but yeah, Mig/Toad look pretty bad.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:42 GMT
#1476
I hate SKs though. So silly in minis. Is the Vayne SK claim that he says his reads don't matter?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:44 GMT
#1478
On January 18 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
I like how both Rayn and Koshi are advocating Vig shots not on ceph/Vayne/sn0 but me. Also way too many unflipped association cases. Like Koshi says I have too much info? So why would I think its a bus? I would just be like super scared of koshi and attack his bad case.

Are you say I am scum and vote me?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 14:44 GMT
#1479
Or*
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 15:34 GMT
#1485
On January 18 2014 23:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 23:14 Koshi wrote:
On January 17 2014 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey thrawn, does this dumb meta argument mean anything for the alignment of the people that supported it? Namely, skan, toad, mig, kush?

On January 17 2014 17:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Grack's claim was non alignment indicative.

Hmm this could be a bus. It feels a lot like a bus. Like koshi is too sure about Mig.

On January 18 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
also actually I agree with Ceph, in terms of mig being scummy. There is no way town Mig wouldve let that lynch go through like that.

↑All quotes Oats thinks Mig is scum, There are like 2 other posts left in which Oats mentions Mig.

↓But who will die tonight? Mig.
On January 18 2014 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
On January 18 2014 14:09 kushm4sta wrote:
look how hard oatsmaster is trying with his shitty cases lol.
I think he's scum.

Hey kush, who do you think is dying tonight?
I think probably thrawn or Mig.


And next post by Oats Mig is scum again.
On January 18 2014 19:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
lolol yeah too angry. Exactly. So Rayn/Koshi and 1 more, maybe mig/toad.


nice contradictions here. Good job Koshi. So I think Mig is scum scum town scum but somehow that makes me the same alignment as Mig?

Yes, because you keep addressing Mig as scum but you never push him.
I am scum because I "know" Mig is scum. Which indicates that you know that Mig is scum, or at least very much suspect it. But then you get a chance to give Mig some credibility and you say "hey Mig will get shot tonight" even though you have him as scum. Which is proven by the very next post you make in which you again say Mig is scum.

Who says:
x is scum
x is scum
x is scum
x will be shot tonight
x is scum

Doesn't make any sense.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 15:38 GMT
#1488
What is your read on Mig? Because it does matter.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 15:39 GMT
#1490
Like this reads to me:
"Even though I think Mig is scum, statistically Mig is more likely to roll town and if he is town he is likely to get shot."
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 15:39 GMT
#1491
On January 19 2014 00:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like, am I slipping that I know Mig is town by saying he will be shot? Or something else?

You think he is town?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 18 2014 20:37 GMT
#1525
What about poor Koshi :O I shall be townie tomorrows.

If scummers kill me:
Oats/Mig/Toad
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2014 01:18 GMT
#1569
I am probably only lynching within Oats/Mig/Toad/Cephiro today.

Starting with Toad because he already gave up.

##Vote: Toadesstern
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2014 01:22 GMT
#1570
Oh rofl. This post is from before the Night post....

Kinda ballsy to put the nightkills in 1 post though. Or maybe it is already damage control.
On January 19 2014 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:
because all I see is:

Rayn: mentioned me about 10 times, but never really gave any explanation other than me disagreeing with him? He called me and hopeless useless but probably town, which was the most indetail explanation from him about me and after that just oh yeah, he mafia

thrawn: says I'm mafia for something that's so townie that rayn insta-voted mig when he thought mig was doing the opposite

kush: seems to think I'm mafia because... idk? everyone is mafia according to kush

and that's really all I found so far. Good job, this'll be the 2nd time ever to be lynched as town for me in 3 years of mafia on TL. Usually people aren't so dense and I really thought I'm way to obvious about it, but whatever, rayn even thinks vayne is town for the reason he should be thinking I am town, or so I presume?

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2014 01:29 GMT
#1573
On January 19 2014 10:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
why that post?

Well, I was reading Kush/thrawn filters and then went to look into Mig/Toad/Oats saw this post by Toad and he already said "I am going to get lynched" So I thought he was using it as an excuse to not contribute anymore.

But now I see that he posted that before the daypost.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2014 01:31 GMT
#1574
On January 19 2014 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
if you are going with that logic this one sticks out a lot more imo

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
On January 18 2014 14:09 kushm4sta wrote:
look how hard oatsmaster is trying with his shitty cases lol.
I think he's scum.

Hey kush, who do you think is dying tonight?
I think probably thrawn or Mig.


That one sticks out because Oats has been softpushing Mig as scum for the entire game but then in the night Oats say Mig will be shot.
I had a good night of sleep.
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