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On January 17 2014 04:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mig you are really disappointing me atm..
Why's that? why do you keep on trying to fasttalk people like that? When I got in the thread again, instead of adressing anything I did you said something like that as well if I recal correctly. You're doing this shit again, now with Mig because there's a difference of opinion here?
In case it wasn't obvious, this is the post I was referring to:
On January 17 2014 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 00:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why not? had nothing to do with my question, seems stupid on it's own. I can figure that kind of stuff out myself, so why feel the need to "show-off" and toss around town-reads. By the way I hate people going around with town-reads, not just limited to you. They're easy to do, for both mafia and town, mostly because you don't have to lie as mafia and if you go around talking about them you take away the "easy" work other townies can do for themselves if they're not capable to scumhunt themselves (assuming they're believing you). So yeah I really don't see a reason why you'd feel the need to tell me thrawn and Vayne are town except for show off or maaaaaybe annoyed but I don't think so. Okay what the fuck are you doing this game Toad? None of your posts say anything at all and are really ccrappy.
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On January 17 2014 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mig you are really disappointing me atm..
Why's that? why do you keep on trying to fasttalk people like that? When I got in the thread again, instead of adressing anything I did you said something like that as well if I recal correctly. You're doing this shit again, now with Mig because there's a difference of opinion here? No, because Mig usually comments on actually important stuff in thread, not on bullshit like the case on Sn0, which is terrible.
1) again, the case might be terrible but that's to be expected early on. Doesn't change the fact that something in it still had something to it and therefore is worth talking about.
2) if you think so, say so instead of throwing mud without anything that even resembles an explanation. People might believe there's something to what you say when someone like you writes stuff like that...
There might be something to it but it'd be a lot cooler if you could at least give an abridged version of an explanation when calling someone bad so people can make up their own minds. Otherwise people might show up and blame you for abusing your vet status for getting people to sheep you.
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On January 17 2014 04:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, rayn has already explained at great length why skanjabs case is bad and how it could indicate a mafia mindset. He then went and read Hogwarts and concluded that skanjab is bad. The reasons are there if you choose to read them. Are you still in catch up mode or something? You're constantly not reading the thread properly.
I've caught up, and no I've read that. I know that he called most of the case bad and I agreed with him at least 3 times yet and every time I said that however bad it might be there is this one point at the end of it that is a great pick up, even rayn agreed on that but ended up concluding that it might be something but it's too risky according to him.
Also wether ska is bad or not has nothing to do with wether someone in his case might be correct or not. It explains why the majority of it isn't alignmnent indicative at all but it has nothing to do with the actual topic: those small parts that people like Mig and me seem to agree with.
So please do me a favor and actually read what I posted, and Mig as well I might add because you're talking about the stuff noone is talking about.
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On January 17 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:32 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 17 2014 04:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mig you are really disappointing me atm..
Why's that? why do you keep on trying to fasttalk people like that? When I got in the thread again, instead of adressing anything I did you said something like that as well if I recal correctly. You're doing this shit again, now with Mig because there's a difference of opinion here? No, because Mig usually comments on actually important stuff in thread, not on bullshit like the case on Sn0, which is terrible. 1) again, the case might be terrible but that's to be expected early on. Doesn't change the fact that something in it still had something to it and therefore is worth talking about. 2) if you think so, say so instead of throwing mud without anything that even resembles an explanation. People might believe there's something to what you say when someone like you writes stuff like that... There might be something to it but it'd be a lot cooler if you could at least give an abridged version of an explanation when calling someone bad so people can make up their own minds. Otherwise people might show up and blame you for abusing your vet status for getting people to sheep you. 1) What is that something? I still don't see it. I don't see anyone reasonably explaining why Sn0 is mafia. 2) I am saying so.. rofl.
1) the way he's posting. The very last part of his "case"
2) yes, after I told you to...
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On January 17 2014 04:41 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, rayn has already explained at great length why skanjabs case is bad and how it could indicate a mafia mindset. He then went and read Hogwarts and concluded that skanjab is bad. The reasons are there if you choose to read them. Are you still in catch up mode or something? You're constantly not reading the thread properly. I've caught up, and no I've read that. I know that he called most of the case bad and I agreed with him at least 3 times yet and every time I said that however bad it might be there is this one point at the end of it that is a great pick up, even rayn agreed on that but ended up concluding that it might be something but it's too risky according to him. Also wether ska is bad or not has nothing to do with wether someone in his case might be correct or not. It explains why the majority of it isn't alignmnent indicative at all but it has nothing to do with the actual topic: those small parts that people like Mig and me seem to agree with. So please do me a favor and actually read what I posted, and Mig as well I might add because you're talking about the stuff noone is talking about.
rephrasing the last part because I just reread it and it sounded ambiguous and people might misunderstand:
So please do me a favor and actually read what I posted, and Mig as well I might add because you're talking about the stuff noone is talking about was supposed to be something along the lines of
please read what mig and I are actually commenting on and not "mig please read what I am posting"
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On January 17 2014 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad:
1) "The way he is posting" is a bullshit argument. It's an argument people use when they can't make real arguments. It's just like saying "his tone is scummy". Look at his past games, come back and tell me how does it differ. All the games, not just one.
2) No, i have been saying it all the time. Explain, with quotes. All the time, after Mig posted, i have said his posts are suspicious. If you are talking about something else here explain what and elaborate properly.
About 2) I didn't see any quotes or explanations in the post I quoted. Just a one- or twoliner that looked like throwing mud.
About 1) it's exactly what got Xatalos got lynched in the failgame. It's essentially the same thing because it's not a thing that is limited to Xatalos but a LOT of mafias.
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On January 17 2014 04:58 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad:
1) "The way he is posting" is a bullshit argument. It's an argument people use when they can't make real arguments. It's just like saying "his tone is scummy". Look at his past games, come back and tell me how does it differ. All the games, not just one.
2) No, i have been saying it all the time. Explain, with quotes. All the time, after Mig posted, i have said his posts are suspicious. If you are talking about something else here explain what and elaborate properly. About 2) I didn't see any quotes or explanations in the post I quoted. Just a one- or twoliner that looked like throwing mud. About 1) it's exactly what got Xatalos got lynched in the failgame. It's essentially the same thing because it's not a thing that is limited to Xatalos but a LOT of mafias. Toad that catalogs point is very different. Marv and rayn were very specific in saying that Xata does something as scum that he DOESN'T do as town. There is no basis to make that comparison on sn0's behalf unless he has literally never made a wishywashy statement ever before (since he's never rolled scum before)
All I'm saying is that the VAST majority of mafia's I caught all got caught for that same reason. It's not something that is Xata-specific at all but happens with pretty much every mafia on TL. Even I still have those moments when I post as mafia, press preview and have to rephrase it before clicking "post". It's just something that seems natural for mafias to do. So yes it is comparable.
We should probably also be talking about this:
On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking.
He said himself that when you see him doing something smart it's probably just a misunderstanding and it's something else. If this isn't smart it's plain mafia.
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(changed because only adressing that part):
On January 17 2014 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is better than this, that's my case.
[...]
which is soley based on your sn0 read that apparently clashes with mine?
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On January 17 2014 06:36 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 06:35 Toadesstern wrote:(changed because only adressing that part): On January 17 2014 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is better than this, that's my case.
[...] which is soley based on your sn0 read that apparently clashes with mine? lol yeah that is why i'm reading rayn as town atm. one of his favorite scumtells is when people disagree with him
could be, I only remember playing with him one game and he was town that game and I always confused him with vayne (who was in that game as well) because their names, shortned, are just so damn alike so I'm not really having a good memory of his playstyle (no I don't consider the failgame a game). I'm not really going to reread older games for that though.
If this is true it's odd though. Yeah "random" my ass, there's no way Mig, rayn and I are all town. That means I'm either pulling a GM here or rayn's mafia. He did say he likes establishing reads on big players first. That contraticts with his reasoning above... he's basing a read on me on a read on someone else, who I might add, hasn't flipped yet...
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On January 17 2014 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 06:35 Toadesstern wrote:(changed because only adressing that part): On January 17 2014 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is better than this, that's my case.
[...] which is soley based on your sn0 read that apparently clashes with mine? No it's based on you agreeing with Skanjabs' case which i can't see a townie your caliber doing.
we've been over this 5 times already. I said the case is bad but there was one phrase I liked. Please stop calling that agreeing with the case when I agreed that it's mostly bad at least 5 times up to this point.
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On January 17 2014 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 06:43 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 06:36 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 17 2014 06:35 Toadesstern wrote:(changed because only adressing that part): On January 17 2014 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is better than this, that's my case.
[...] which is soley based on your sn0 read that apparently clashes with mine? lol yeah that is why i'm reading rayn as town atm. one of his favorite scumtells is when people disagree with him could be, I only remember playing with him one game and he was town that game and I always confused him with vayne (who was in that game as well) because their names, shortned, are just so damn alike so I'm not really having a good memory of his playstyle (no I don't consider the failgame a game). I'm not really going to reread older games for that though. If this is true it's odd though. Yeah "random" my ass, there's no way Mig, rayn and I are all town. That means I'm either pulling a GM here or rayn's mafia. He did say he likes establishing reads on big players first. That contraticts with his reasoning above... he's basing a read on me on a read on someone else, who I might add, hasn't flipped yet... And this is crap. Dandel is one of the hosts that actually randoms scum for reals.
you're someone who reads older games right? How come you haven't read a single game of mine? Because that and "I'd shoot that if I was a dayvig" are probably the most common phrases I ever say. Supersoft and I are both really known for going about games like that.
So if we assume the above is correct and feel free to check older games of me, Aren't you supposed to be someone you can distinguish between "we lynch people for being scummy, not for being bad (your interpretation that I'm bad, I don't actually agree on that part)"
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prior to all of this Mig had 0 posts, therefore null.
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On January 17 2014 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 06:56 Toadesstern wrote:
prior to all of this Mig had 0 posts, therefore null. then why did you say this? "If this is true it's odd though. Yeah "random" my ass, there's no way Mig, rayn and I are all town. That means I'm either pulling a GM here or rayn's mafia." the implication in that quote is that you are saying mig is town
"pulling a GM" = I'm agreeing with mafias while defending mafias.
It therefore reads as "that means I'm either going fullretard right now, agreeing with Mig (mafia) while attacking a townie (sn0), or rayne is the one being mafia"
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On January 17 2014 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:00 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 17 2014 06:56 Toadesstern wrote:
prior to all of this Mig had 0 posts, therefore null. then why did you say this? "If this is true it's odd though. Yeah "random" my ass, there's no way Mig, rayn and I are all town. That means I'm either pulling a GM here or rayn's mafia." the implication in that quote is that you are saying mig is town "pulling a GM" = I'm agreeing with mafias while defending mafias. It therefore reads as "that means I'm either going fullretard right now, agreeing with Mig (mafia) while attacking a townie (sn0), or rayne is the one being mafia" So why are you voting for a townie then?
because I don't think that scenario is the case while still technically possible?
It's clearly a "Either X or Y" phrase. X being the thing you're having troubles with and I don't believe it either.
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On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know  ) that mig is town
No, it literally says "it's either mig being mafia, sn0 town, rayn town ; OR mig town, sn0 mafia, rayn whatever". It's a big "EITHER OR" phrase...
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On January 17 2014 07:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
Also I dont understane how you can agree with Mig about Sn0 and then say you are null reading Mig because he hasn't posted yet.
you said prior to this... I took "this" for the whole sn0 discussion. He hasn't posted anything before the sn0 discussion started.
If you were referring to something else with "this" you need to specify the point in time
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On January 17 2014 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:04 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know ) that mig is town No, it literally says "it's either mig being mafia, sn0 town, rayn town ; OR mig town, sn0 mafia, rayn whatever". It's a big "EITHER OR" phrase... Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know ) that mig is town no that statement says mig os scum or rayn is scum. with the corollary that sn0 is town if mig is scum Please expand.
it's not his thought, it might be but that's not the intention of his post.
He's explaining my poor wording due to lack of hitting pre-view button and re-reading to you guys.
And he understood it.
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On January 17 2014 07:46 kushm4sta wrote:
grack why not join the sno wagon?
... now I'm scared... is it usual for townies to call lynches wagons these days? I usually only hear mafias use that word along the lines of something à la "duh, totally stupid wagon that formed without a reason, stop voting that"....
I'd certainly say it has a negative connotation.
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On January 17 2014 07:51 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:49 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2014 07:46 kushm4sta wrote:
grack why not join the sno wagon? ... now I'm scared... is it usual for townies to call lynches wagons these days? I usually only hear mafias use that word along the lines of something à la "duh, totally stupid wagon that formed without a reason, stop voting that".... I'd certainly say it has a negative connotation. so as scum why would i be more likely to use a word with a negative connotation?
the assumption was that it wasn't on purpose and was a slip of tongue, if you can use that phrase for http-based conversations.
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yeah I had to look it up as well. He's referring to this I think:
On January 17 2014 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 01:06 kushm4sta wrote:
Please dont spam your wrongness rayn This. Posts like this.
On January 17 2014 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:kushm4sta:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 01:00 kushm4sta wrote:
The thing that sucks about making rayn mayor is he is really bad at d1. He is best at analyzing the consistency in someone's reads, but you can't really do that yet d1. kushm4sta:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn why do i have to read the thread when i can just read some of your excellent posts instead and get summary + analysis
Those are from last 2 games: Which one do you think the post i quoted from kush seems like?
basicly saying you sheep him when town while having beef with him when mafia?
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