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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 16 2014 21:11 GMT
#519
On January 17 2014 05:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
hi! awake.

koshi so scummy

O rly. Tell me more.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 16 2014 21:36 GMT
#533
I am too tired to do anything. I will bring magic tomorrow.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 08:33 GMT
#778
Ok, so I actually slept over 9 hours this night and it feels like I slept more than all previous 4 nights together. Shouldn't have stayed awake for the start of this game and shouldn't have stayed awake till like 3.30AM when Intrigue "ended".

^ This is my entire defense of all accusation.
--------------------------------------------------

Now to go for scumhunting. I really don't want to omgus Grack here but I will.

First Mig:
On January 17 2014 03:48 Mig wrote:
Grack isn't a bad 2nd candidate. He trolls as town and mafia (I feel like he does it more as mafia tho), so only trolling combined with the fact that while under pressure he just disappeared as soon as thrawn/oats started arguing and taking the heat off of him.

This is the only thing that Mig has talked about that isn't Snow.

I will look into previous games of Mig but I am pretty sure that Mig came into Intrigue with a post that committed to 4 reads and that there was actual fresh content in it. The reason he gives for Grack is scum is something that was said by 2 others before him.


Then my opinion about Mr. Snowman. I was nodding my head when I read that case from Skanjab in the start, I agreed with it. BUT time has passed since then and the only scummy thing that Snow actually did this game is start the game "bad". Which he got a shitton of flak for and under all this pressure my scumread on him lessened which is pretty strange if he is scum because Snow posted a lot.

On January 17 2014 03:46 Mig wrote:
Sno is likely mafia.

1) I had the same thoughts as skan when reading sno's response to kush's question about why he seems so happy. Most townies just ignore it or dismiss it, instead of providing a real answer (which felt kind of like bs btw).

2) These posts he makes back to back

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 17 2014 01:07 Skanjab1s wrote:
Oh wow, rayn, you actually think I'm opting out of discussion?

Really?

On January 17 2014 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh.. this is gonna be really hard to figure out because Skanjab1s made a terrible terrible case on yamato in Hogwarts aswell.
As sad it is he could do this as town..

Making opening cases on people and then getting called scum for it is what I do, yo.
On January 17 2014 01:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes I was intentionally lying skan, see my followup post.

I find it hilarious you think rayn CANT get you lynched. Trololol


He can't. I mean, he's welcome to try, but it wont work.

This sounds a lot like "I intentionally made a worthless case cuz its my town meta and I gotta match that".

Which sounds a lot like scum :/


Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well I was starting to think that you might have just been trying to get the thread moving and fishing for responses, which would be quite understandable, but instead it seems that you actually think I'm scum or something.

Jeeeeez.


In the initial post he very weakly accuses skan of possibly being mafia. Also, this is probably nothing but the stupid :/ face there doesn't really fit for a townie mindset in my eyes. If you think someone is doing something scummy why use the wishy washy face.

The very next post he then implies that skan is town when he says that skan actually thinks he is scum. This doesn't really make sense unless he is mafia and already knows skan is town.


#vote Sno



Compared to LXIV game:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 13 2014 07:34 Mig wrote:
To Marv

I am only about 50 pages in so quick thoughts are this-

thrawn is very very likely town - Mafia are rarely going to fake claim this early and on top of that oftentimes millers are not self aware. Mafia wont know whether millers are self aware or not so to claim you are a self aware early on in thread is a huge gamble (if it turns out they arent self aware and one flips later on this could potentially be suicide).

I am actually a bit suspicious you just ignored this right after thrawn claimed but you didn't list him under your suspicious list at least so meh.

koshi/rayn both very likely town - both playing the exact same as previous games I have played with them as town.

doge- likely town, every pm game I play most of the people active in pms and trying to seek people out through skype are town. The fact that he is talking to you, he also pmd me right away, is something I don't think many mafia would do unless they were extremely confident in their play (assuming you are town). Your point about him still being suspicious of bh/hopeless is another thing that appear townie to me.

Scummy people

I haven't had a chance to talk to WoS or Yam in pms yet but both look bad to me. WoS's posts that I have read so far are wordy with very little content. Just seems like a lot of pointless fluff.

Yam - I can't really explain it but this is based on tone for me. The last big game with mayors I played with yam he ran for mayor and seemed so much more confident and his posts were way more direct and to the point. This game he starts out writing 10 paragraphs when he could have explained his thoughts in 2 and I don't see him being nearly as aggressive.

I would probably prefer if one of those 2 were lynched, but I imagine I am in the minority on that for now.

Cpt obvious I think would be a bad lynch candidate. He is putting 0 effort into appearing to look good, even after people have yelled at him about looking shitty. Strikes me as a bad/lazy townie.

Xat - I would be ok with a Xat lynch. I don't think his indignant pms to you really point to him being town. I haven't read the most recent stuff yet but his early posts to me seem hesitant and a lot of his early questions were pointless fluff.


Look at the difference, in LXIV townreads + scumreads with a couple good new reasons. I read that post in LXIV and I immediatly felt it was good. Here, I believed that Mig was on the right track with Snow so I didn't really care too much but now that I am actually awake and can see Snow is not scum for those first 5 minutes in the game I put serious ??? with Mig.


Now I will look into more games from Mig and see if he does this monotome "follow up" questioning like he did after.

__________________

Grack is scum for being away from the thread for 15 hours or so. Same as in LXIII, trolling into 15 hours afk. Pretty sure he didn't do it in any other game.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 08:43 GMT
#785
On January 17 2014 17:36 kushm4sta wrote:
its ok because next time as scum I am going to be indecisive as fuck ofc

more importantly:
nubs read this
agree or disagree?

He could be scum because I don't consider him as scum at all.

Mig town? Why?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 08:49 GMT
#788
Mig last scumgame in database:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 06:20 Mig wrote:
Palmar how is iGrok opening the game with a planned vote on BA impulsive?

The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place.

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 06:36 Mig wrote:
I would be down with lynching palmar/igrok/taa

Palmar starts off with voting chaos for a retarded reason. Follows it up with defending igrok repeatedly with shitty reasoning. When asked his opinion on why igrok is a bad lynch and GGQ is better he responds again defending iGrok and doesn't even mention GGQ.


#Vote Palmar

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 06:48 Mig wrote:
What doesn't make sense about what I said concerning palmar?

Palmar's logic behind his vote for chaos and his defense of iGrok is flawed. When asked to give a reason for why he thinks GGQ is scummy he ignores it.

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Palmar you have spent practically all your time this game defending igrok instead of doing any actual scum hunting, which is extremely unlike you. Your initial reason for voting chaos was ridiculous and nonsensical. You said GGQ was a good lynch but once someone asked you why you completely ignored them, probably because you didn't actually have any reason behind it. Now you are voting me based on what exactly? Because I pointed out all the inconsistencies in your play?

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 09:49 Mig wrote:
Palmar I really laugh at you saying there is a 5% chance of iGrok flipping scum. Please can you show me anything that makes it so incredibly clear that iGrok is town, other than the retarded idea that because he random voted at the beginning of the game it makes him town.

I am sure most of the town has played several times with palmar's town play in the past. Does palmar ever defend anyone this hard day1 as town? It's completely opposite of palmar's normal play.

And you say I am trying to push policy lynches wtf? You are twisting things to try and make me appear scummy. Me pushing for your lynch because you are playing completely differently than normal and defending someone with horrible reasoning is in no way a policy lynch.

Really the only explanation for palmar's poor logic and his non stop insistence that iGrok is guaranteed town is that palmar is scum.

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 09:53 Mig wrote:
Palmar never hard defends someone day1 as town. He knows as town you are working with very little information day1 so your reads are never going to be perfect. His certainty about iGrok's alignment is such a clear giveaway that he is scum.


Are you seeing this shit? It is the exact same.
1 person is scummy for Mig. All consecutive posts about this guy.

##vote: Mig
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 09:06 GMT
#792
On January 17 2014 08:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i distinctly remember someone commenting on rayns game saying that he has good day1 reads and he gets worse over time. anyone remember who and when that was?

This was marv and it was in Intrigue.

My conspiracy senses are telling me that Hopeless knew this and was pushing Kush like this. So if Hopeless is scum Kush is town.

After reading filter I guess that Hopeless is on the Grack/Kush are scum boat with rayn. However, he is not really defending or giving reasons why Snow is town and he is talking to Snow as if he is talking to a scumsuspect. So that's quite strange.

Hopeless was also very vocal around the rayn/mig/toad 1 is scum period. He was sounding pretty confident and not trolly there. He might know more.

All in all. Not really sure. Way less feelings about Hopeless scum than Mig/Grack.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 10:45 GMT
#798
On January 17 2014 18:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
Koshi have you read all the stuff I said about hopeless? He hasn't called kush scum the entire game. The only thing he's ever said about kush is that he finds kush unreadable. So why is he voting him? Why is he voting kush over any of his scumreads, especially grack who hopless has been adamnt about all game? Here's why:

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 08:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
can i lynch you if your wrong rayn?



Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process
option a) kush flips scum
option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego
option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd)

thats a win-win(-) to me.


Might be serious.... might just be trolling. Either option is really scummy. Either option is a terrible reason to justify voting for what he calls an unkown. I think Grack also made a good point about the way hopeless treating grack at the start being similar to how hopeless treated pandain in mason chats from Time to Die. I've already pulled those mason logs, they are in the consolidated case.

His playstyle doesn't look like the one from Time to Die though. He was pushing Pandain senselessly there, I just reread and remembered thinking that for the entire game.

I don't agree on Hopeless. meh. He radiates being insanely useless which is like Witchraft II.

But my townread on you is 54327 times stronger than the read I have on Hopeless. Could sheep.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 10:46 GMT
#799
On January 17 2014 19:38 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 17:49 Koshi wrote:
Mig last scumgame in database:
On September 09 2011 06:20 Mig wrote:
Palmar how is iGrok opening the game with a planned vote on BA impulsive?

The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place.

On September 09 2011 06:36 Mig wrote:
I would be down with lynching palmar/igrok/taa

Palmar starts off with voting chaos for a retarded reason. Follows it up with defending igrok repeatedly with shitty reasoning. When asked his opinion on why igrok is a bad lynch and GGQ is better he responds again defending iGrok and doesn't even mention GGQ.


#Vote Palmar

On September 09 2011 06:48 Mig wrote:
What doesn't make sense about what I said concerning palmar?

Palmar's logic behind his vote for chaos and his defense of iGrok is flawed. When asked to give a reason for why he thinks GGQ is scummy he ignores it.

On September 09 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Palmar you have spent practically all your time this game defending igrok instead of doing any actual scum hunting, which is extremely unlike you. Your initial reason for voting chaos was ridiculous and nonsensical. You said GGQ was a good lynch but once someone asked you why you completely ignored them, probably because you didn't actually have any reason behind it. Now you are voting me based on what exactly? Because I pointed out all the inconsistencies in your play?

On September 09 2011 09:49 Mig wrote:
Palmar I really laugh at you saying there is a 5% chance of iGrok flipping scum. Please can you show me anything that makes it so incredibly clear that iGrok is town, other than the retarded idea that because he random voted at the beginning of the game it makes him town.

I am sure most of the town has played several times with palmar's town play in the past. Does palmar ever defend anyone this hard day1 as town? It's completely opposite of palmar's normal play.

And you say I am trying to push policy lynches wtf? You are twisting things to try and make me appear scummy. Me pushing for your lynch because you are playing completely differently than normal and defending someone with horrible reasoning is in no way a policy lynch.

Really the only explanation for palmar's poor logic and his non stop insistence that iGrok is guaranteed town is that palmar is scum.

On September 09 2011 09:53 Mig wrote:
Palmar never hard defends someone day1 as town. He knows as town you are working with very little information day1 so your reads are never going to be perfect. His certainty about iGrok's alignment is such a clear giveaway that he is scum.


Are you seeing this shit? It is the exact same.
1 person is scummy for Mig. All consecutive posts about this guy.

##vote: Mig


koshi this is weak. His approach is completely different in this game. That game was more of a nitpick that turned into a tunnel.
Plus Mig has only been active for a very short period of time, so you can't expect him to have pushed a bunch of different people.

Also he has mentioned other people he found scummy (cephiro and someone else).

What? It is exactly the same.

+ I am working.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 11:10 GMT
#800
On January 17 2014 19:40 kushm4sta wrote:
also why are you ignoring hopeless, koshi?

Why are you ignoring Mig, Kush?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 11:16 GMT
#801
I run a Kush/Mig/Grack scumteam. It fits perfect.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 11:41 GMT
#804
On January 17 2014 20:30 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 20:10 Koshi wrote:
On January 17 2014 19:40 kushm4sta wrote:
also why are you ignoring hopeless, koshi?

Why are you ignoring Mig, Kush?


Pretty much because he's been afk for a very long time, so he doesn't have that much to analyze.

So what is your read on Mig? Be specific.
On January 17 2014 20:36 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 19:45 Koshi wrote:
I don't agree on Hopeless. meh. He radiates being insanely useless which is like Witchraft II.

But my townread on you is 54327 times stronger than the read I have on Hopeless. Could sheep.


KOSHI WTF. I can't see a townie ever thinking this way. It doesn't make sense. Just because someone is town that doesn't make all their reads right.

Sure Kush. Sure.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 11:59 GMT
#806
It is you that has a quote as town in this thread that says "hey rayn who can I sheep because you are my townread". Now you say that no townie does that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 12:02 GMT
#810
On January 09 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn why do i have to read the thread when i can just read some of your excellent posts instead and get summary + analysis

ok nvm it is different. You are still scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 12:08 GMT
#815
On January 17 2014 21:04 kushm4sta wrote:
LOL koshi why am i scum now?

1) You started with bussing 1 teammate and pushing 1 townie in Grack/Snow just like in Intrigue with JAT/WoS.
2) rayn case
3)
On January 17 2014 15:51 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn
cephilis
grack/mig
final answer

Here you have mig as scum, I make case on Mig.
You call it a bad case and say Mig is null.

HOWEVER, you have been agreeing with Mig his "tunnel" on Snow 24/7.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 12:13 GMT
#818
On January 17 2014 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi you post about Mig is really good. Basically what he did intered the thread when kush was under attack and didn't say anything else than attacked Sn0. That's not what town!Mig does.

You better not be scum this time. I remember your comments on VE case in the not mafia game Resistance.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 12:23 GMT
#819
GRACK
tell me in how many games as town you fakeclaimed (casually).

As scum:
Persona: Veteran fakeclaim
LXIII: Mason
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 12:25 GMT
#820
EBWOB:

It was Golden Sun in which you fakeclaimed Vet.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 13:04 GMT
#840
My secret scale of scum Kush is might say he is town though. Kush could you bother and actually tell me why you said 1 out of Grack/Mig is scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 13:31 GMT
#853
On January 17 2014 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi in a scenario where the asshat is town who is scum?


VA --> Pretending to know more than he actually does, typical town VA.
thrawn/rayn --> both 7 page filters representing. town.
snow --> Town or bussed like a motherfucker.
Cephiro --> Sure why not? I got something to read him if he starts posting.
Toadesstern --> I did like LSB banking a lot more than his play atm. Would not lynch though.
Skanjab1s --> Where are the results of your questionnaire bro? There was something this guy said in LXIII why I thought he was town. Haven't seen that here. Got no scummy feelings though, so null.

Grack scum, also made a case on me when he was scum in LXIII.
Mig scum but I am interested in his next post.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 17 2014 13:35 GMT
#854
Kush, what is your read on Skanjab?
---> How sure are you?

+why is 1 out of Grack/Mig scum?
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