EPTThere's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller.
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There's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:03 VayneAuthority wrote: If I recall cephiro doesn't like me so he probably just swooped in to take an easy jab at me, idk if i would read into it besides that I don't read a lot into it either but it would be nice if you'd let him explain those things in future. I usually like starting the day with exaggerated reads. Starts the day better than talking about random bullshit because despite things being exaggerated you still see thought process of people and you have an easier time getting somewhere from reads, even if exaggerated, than talking about the nice cloud formation we had today. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:08 Cephiro wrote: My thought process was this long: 1. See false information in thread 2. Post right information in thread 3. ??? 4. Answer your question about my thought process. There pretty much wasn't one. I also fail to see how it's relevant whether I said that or not. I can't see someone being stupid enough to claim miller at this point in the game. well yeah, with you telling everyone about it I don't see anyone being stupid enough either. Just for reference, Matt claimed self-aware miller in a game that had no self-aware millers in one of my games and it got him lynched d1, ended up flipping mafia obviously. Anyways beans are spilled and like I said I don't read to much into it either. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:10 Hopeless1der wrote: considering he had the option to leave it alone and tell his scumbuddies they can't fakeclaim this explanation makes the most sense. idk, some people consider those "questions", stuff where you can just copy&paste the OP and be "helpful" contribution and that's stuff that mafia likes to do because they can do it no problem. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:28 thrawn2112 wrote: I want to know if I can safely contrast his play in this game to his play in the last. If he was trying to hide his identity thereby going against his meta, I can't. I'm kind of known to be unreadable on TL. The only people who are claiming otherwise are Syllo and Marv, and Marv correctly picked the exact opposite of what I ended up rolling 3 times in a row now  + Show Spoiler +Yes I consider the fail game being wrong about me because his reasoning was that my first post was obviously scummy when I had that pre-prepaired under the assumption that I'd be replacing for a townie / mig, so strictly speaking I was a townie while posting that. But like I said, fear not for I will murder all of mafia. That'll speak for itself. Anyways going to bed now, almost 3am over here; see you tomorrow. | ||
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why'd you feel the need to tell me the latter? | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not? had nothing to do with my question, seems stupid on it's own. I can figure that kind of stuff out myself, so why feel the need to "show-off" and toss around town-reads. By the way I hate people going around with town-reads, not just limited to you. They're easy to do, for both mafia and town, mostly because you don't have to lie as mafia and if you go around talking about them you take away the "easy" work other townies can do for themselves if they're not capable to scumhunt themselves (assuming they're believing you). So yeah I really don't see a reason why you'd feel the need to tell me thrawn and Vayne are town except for show off or maaaaaybe annoyed but I don't think so. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote: You're stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to. Literally every one that I quoted was tentative and careful, I wasn't calling that tentative and careful, hence why it wasn't included in the case, dear. What do you think of Hopeless, rayn? I completly agree with that one statement from your "case" - His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone. He doesn't push/question people, nor does he come to any conclusions in these posts: His way of posting does feel that way, The way he adds "I dunno" to the last post you quoted, continuing with a "backpaddle-move" à la Admittedly, still stupid to do as town, but less so. which basicly reads I might have said something but I'm super not sure about it so please ignore it" which is just blatant mafia tell if it keeps on happening.So yeah I agree with the case, not everything in it but I really like this part. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay what the fuck are you doing this game Toad? None of your posts say anything at all and are really ccrappy. I just accused you of doing stupid stuff while being in the game, that's hardly nothing. My posts were done 2 hours into the game, I went to sleep and that's the first post I just did afterwards. Of course there's not going to be any diamonds in the former. You however posted later on and it was still nothing. Also instead of saying anything you just omgus without giving any concrete example because you know you can't just post a 1 hour into the game comment and call it stupid because that's nothing out of the ordinary. Don't try to paint things differently than they are by leaving out quotes. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote: Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why. he basicly said this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800¤tpage=18#344 I don't think the bolded part counters anything about the careful posts that were mentioned at all. That post is something anyone could do. Besides you look for uncertainties, they're not going to show up in every post just like a mafia who slips won't slip in every post bust just one. I still like that part of the case and think rayn is talking bullshit. Furthermore we got rayn talking about how the list post was supposed to be stupid (it was) and noone seems to have a problem with the fact that rayn's the only one who felt the need to answer it: On January 16 2014 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) town (2) stupid question (3) depends on the pressure and my alignment (4) emo Why does he answer that shit if he thinks it's shit, knowing that his answer is going to be shit as well? Just ignore it | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yet you agree with Skanjab's case. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Toadsstern Difference being: I am talking about his phrasing and how it's showing weakness. You basicly accused me of not having put up a case 1 hour into the game. The former can happen no matter if there is something in a post or not, your phrasing can always show your alignment. The conent 1 hour of the game can not and you should be smarter than this... | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:46 Hopeless1der wrote: Listen, Toad is avoiding rayn's discussion and is promoting something that I find scummy. I don't know if Toad is scum or town. Asking him to do stuff is a way to discern his alignment. Finding an image macro is a more suitable representation of my attitude towards skanjabs questionnaire and rayn telling me I should answer it. I have taken stances. See my vote. See how Grack hasnt done a thing this game and no one gives a rats ass yet because "oh its soo super early its meaningless" bullshit. I'll just quote this but it's about this and the next one. I wasn't ignoring anything... it takes time to look up the quotes. Oh yeah and messed up about the quotes. Just got home, saw it, looked who answered it and only found rayn because I was looking for that pattern. My bad. Anyways will be gone now until later the evening. On January 17 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you even reading the thread? I am answering it because Skanjabs promised results when everyone has answered it. If everyone answers it he must keep his promise and tell those results. I wanna see what he actually does with the answers and how he considers them to be useful. Because i can't see it, and i won't know it if people do not answer because of his bullshit "i won't tell you bitch". I skimmed it real quick because in a hurry. apparently too quick, my bad. | ||
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Yes I agree with rayn that the majority of the skanjab "case" wasn't anything and I wouldn't even call anything like that a case but I picked out the very last point because I thought and still think it's legit. The one thing that comes out of my towngames is that I've got a bunch of reads, the townreads are usually always right, the mafia reads are all over the place except for the ones that are based on phrasing, wording and attitude. Last game I played as town: I told people to lynch Xatalos 3 hours into the game and that I'd shoot him if I was a dayvig so certain was I about him being mafia because he wrote in that special fashion. Obviously flipped mafia and I got modkilled. The game before that: Marv got mayor, I got 2nd in place, we had 3 people whe thought were scummy and were in conversation with bugs in mason chat. Basicly marv said guy A is the best lynch, bugs and me said guy B is the best lynch, another guy said Guy C is the best lynch and my reasoning, again was on the guy talking/writing the way he did. End of story, all 3 flipped mafia and we fought about nothing. Last game, the one I was mafia but had reads before knowing my alignment: The only teammade I gave mafiapoints to was Xatalos, again for his phrasing and wording early on. The rest of my teammades hadn't posted up to that point btw. So as you can see, the vast majority of the my right reads are "weak" reads that are based on phrasing/attitude, I'm only really wrong on that when talking about VE because that dude is all over the place. I still think that one point of Skanjab1s "case" is legit and I do think the phrasing is way off and it makes him a good target right now. I've got someone who probably outright claimed mafia in one of his earlier posts of the game, but rayn will hate me for that because he missunderstood the situation and therefore has a townread on said guy, so I'll wait a little to be more certain about it | ||
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when I lynch someone I lynch them for phrasing/wording and I'm good at picking that up -> I still think that last point of the skanjab case is a good pick up there's more to it but that's a buildup for later stuff you don't need to concern yourself with | ||
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On January 17 2014 03:56 Sn0_Man wrote: Soooooo I'm scum because of Diction and because my reaction to scummy posts from skan is a "gross face". Sigh, I was hoping for a productive day 1. At least Mig is here and playing finally. I believe that means everybody has posted at least once. What kind of townie posts like that after this conversation. I'd be furious if I had people tell me I'm mafia for something I know not to be true, which obviously should be the case if you're town. Instead we get that post? | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mig you are really disappointing me atm.. Why's that? why do you keep on trying to fasttalk people like that? When I got in the thread again, instead of adressing anything I did you said something like that as well if I recal correctly. You're doing this shit again, now with Mig because there's a difference of opinion here? | ||
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