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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 14:14 GMT
#334
skanjab what was the first thing about sn0 that tipped you off that he was totes scum?

rayn, any thoughts on grack?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:06 GMT
#339
your questionnaire was stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:28 GMT
#353
On January 17 2014 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On January 17 2014 00:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
your questionnaire was stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.

I suggest you answer it truthfully. It gives us a better read on Skan.

[image loading]
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:31 GMT
#355
toad have you read any of the issues that rayn has been bringing up with the line of reasoning you so heartily agree with?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:35 GMT
#359
Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:37 GMT
#361
hey rayn did you see when i asked about your thoughts on grack? or are you too busy with toad right now?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:46 GMT
#370
On January 17 2014 00:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
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On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why.

Hopeless, stop 1-liner sniping from the sidelines and do some legwork yourself.

Image macro's are worse than 1-liners. You work hard enough to find/generate an image macro but are too fucking lazy to do anything that could be construed as hunting scum. That doesn't make a ton of sense.

Unless theres a good reason you don't want to take a stance on anything in-game? Oh yeah, cuz ur scum.


Listen, Toad is avoiding rayn's discussion and is promoting something that I find scummy. I don't know if Toad is scum or town. Asking him to do stuff is a way to discern his alignment.

Finding an image macro is a more suitable representation of my attitude towards skanjabs questionnaire and rayn telling me I should answer it.

I have taken stances. See my vote. See how Grack hasnt done a thing this game and no one gives a rats ass yet because "oh its soo super early its meaningless" bullshit.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:47 GMT
#371
On January 17 2014 00:40 Toadesstern wrote:
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On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why.

he basicly said this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800&currentpage=18#344

I don't think the bolded part counters anything about the careful posts that were mentioned at all. That post is something anyone could do. Besides you look for uncertainties, they're not going to show up in every post just like a mafia who slips won't slip in every post bust just one. I still like that part of the case and think rayn is talking bullshit.

Furthermore we got rayn talking about how the list post was supposed to be stupid (it was) and noone seems to have a problem with the fact that rayn's the only one who felt the need to answer it:
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On January 16 2014 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.


(1) town
(2) stupid question
(3) depends on the pressure and my alignment
(4) emo



Why does he answer that shit if he thinks it's shit, knowing that his answer is going to be shit as well? Just ignore it
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On January 16 2014 16:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
oats i have no fucking clue if grack is scum or not. i never once said he's town, never, not once. I have in my notes:

"grack - null, my+hopeless+kush+sn0 actions make it hard to judge"

my reasons for unvoting were simply because i downgraded him from scummy to null because I REREAD and THOUGHT about my reasons and realized they were stupid. that does not fucking mean i'm suddenly town reading oats, take a reading comprehension class. that reason COMBINED with me not wanting to demotivate a potential townie is why I unvoted.

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On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.



town, murdering Oats IRL, depends on my mood, depends on my mood.


On January 16 2014 18:02 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is back alive.

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On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.


town. Being Batman. I am never pressured, maybe sometimes omgus. I only make well calculated decisions, and completely thought out posts.

↑ 1 thing is a lie.

On January 16 2014 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.


(1) town
(2) stupid question
(3) depends on the pressure and my alignment
(4) emo

On January 17 2014 00:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
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On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.

1) I generally enjoyed my town games more than my singular replacement into a maf game
2) dafuq would I know?
3) Depends is a horrible cop-out answer everybody puts forth. I usually just OMGUS cuz omgus. Or whine a lot.
4) Tears, tears everywhere

Aaaaand in other news I certainly hope you aren't counting on this or your romp through my filter as "contributions".

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:58 GMT
#378
All skan has done is post that stupid questionnaire and then opt out of discussion until everyone answers him he's so scummy #scumhunting.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 16:01 GMT
#380
That is the basic idea behind what rayn is saying you did skanjab. And here you are maintaining that your case is legit and sn0 is totes scum for joking about lynching the host when there were basically no posts in thread.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 16:03 GMT
#382
Yes I was intentionally lying skan, see my followup post.

I find it hilarious you think rayn CANT get you lynched. Trololol
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 16:09 GMT
#391
No skan, I'm saying my bullshit case on you is of the same calibre as your case on sn0. The level of bullshit is what rayn called out I.e. you can't use the word All and then leave out the points that don't support or directly contradict you.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 19:36 GMT
#466
Toad, rayn has already explained at great length why skanjabs case is bad and how it could indicate a mafia mindset. He then went and read Hogwarts and concluded that skanjab is bad. The reasons are there if you choose to read them. Are you still in catch up mode or something? You're constantly not reading the thread properly.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 19:55 GMT
#480
On January 17 2014 04:42 Skanjab1s wrote:
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On January 17 2014 04:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, rayn has already explained at great length why skanjabs case is bad and how it could indicate a mafia mindset. He then went and read Hogwarts and concluded that skanjab is bad. The reasons are there if you choose to read them. Are you still in catch up mode or something? You're constantly not reading the thread properly.


Once you wipe rayn's semen off of your eyes go back and read and see that his reasons for thinking the points on my case were wrong are based on a misunderstanding

Stop the personal attacks
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 19:58 GMT
#482
On January 17 2014 04:54 Toadesstern wrote:
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On January 17 2014 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad:

1) "The way he is posting" is a bullshit argument. It's an argument people use when they can't make real arguments. It's just like saying "his tone is scummy". Look at his past games, come back and tell me how does it differ. All the games, not just one.

2) No, i have been saying it all the time. Explain, with quotes. All the time, after Mig posted, i have said his posts are suspicious. If you are talking about something else here explain what and elaborate properly.


About 2) I didn't see any quotes or explanations in the post I quoted. Just a one- or twoliner that looked like throwing mud.

About 1) it's exactly what got Xatalos got lynched in the failgame. It's essentially the same thing because it's not a thing that is limited to Xatalos but a LOT of mafias.

Toad that catalogs point is very different. Marv and rayn were very specific in saying that Xata does something as scum that he DOESN'T do as town. There is no basis to make that comparison on sn0's behalf unless he has literally never made a wishywashy statement ever before (since he's never rolled scum before)
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 19:59 GMT
#484
Catalogs = xatalos
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 20:03 GMT
#488
I'm not sure where I stand right now, I believe there is at least one scum out of sn0 skan toad rayn. Right now I'm leaning on it being skan. I'd still rather lynch grack than anyone else.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 22:11 GMT
#562
On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know ) that mig is town

no that statement says mig os scum or rayn is scum. with the corollary that sn0 is town if mig is scum
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 22:16 GMT
#566
On January 17 2014 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 07:04 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know ) that mig is town


No, it literally says "it's either mig being mafia, sn0 town, rayn town ; OR mig town, sn0 mafia, rayn whatever". It's a big "EITHER OR" phrase...

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On January 17 2014 07:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know ) that mig is town

no that statement says mig os scum or rayn is scum. with the corollary that sn0 is town if mig is scum

Please expand.

On January 17 2014 06:43 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 06:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 17 2014 06:35 Toadesstern wrote:
(changed because only adressing that part):
On January 17 2014 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is better than this, that's my case.
[...]

which is soley based on your sn0 read that apparently clashes with mine?


lol yeah that is why i'm reading rayn as town atm. one of his favorite scumtells is when people disagree with him

could be, I only remember playing with him one game and he was town that game and I always confused him with vayne (who was in that game as well) because their names, shortned, are just so damn alike so I'm not really having a good memory of his playstyle (no I don't consider the failgame a game). I'm not really going to reread older games for that though.

If this is true it's odd though. Yeah "random" my ass, there's no way Mig, rayn and I are all town. That means I'm either pulling a GM here or rayn's mafia. He did say he likes establishing reads on big players first. That contraticts with his reasoning above... he's basing a read on me on a read on someone else, who I might add, hasn't flipped yet...

Are you being intentionally obtuse?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 22:22 GMT
#569
1) Toad calls mig OR rayn mafia
1a) Toad clarifies what "pulling a GM means"
2) Hopeless clarifies that Toad calls mig OR rayn mafia
2b) Toad slightly contradicts himself by including sn0=mafia scenario
3) Rayn asks Hopeless to explain how Toad called rayn mafia

Such literacy. Very reading.
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