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On January 29 2014 07:40 Blazinghand wrote: I'm actually pretty pumped for this game. I'm sure as shadow and The Restart start to empty out / end we'll see more signups here
+1, I definitely would have joined if shadow had ended in time.
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/in
Koshi kidnapped my family
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Hi everybody!
##Vote sqrtofneg1
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On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia.
On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote: Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment.
On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times.
On May 21 2014 07:33 Xatalos wrote: Why this change of heart?
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Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang.
All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case.
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##Vote WaveofShadow
Gotta follow my heart.
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On May 21 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Steve v HF mafia on mafia fight calling it now
Kita y u gotta do that every game You make my heart sad
It's because you enter games with posts like these!
In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring. Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
Also, if we start ignoring Blazinghand, maybe he will go away.
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On May 21 2014 08:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:01 kitaman27 wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Steve v HF mafia on mafia fight calling it now
Kita y u gotta do that every game You make my heart sad It's because you enter games with posts like these! In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring. Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh Also, if we start ignoring Blazinghand, maybe he will go away. KIIIIIITTTTTAAAAAA don't ignore me plz Tell me why you made your first vote
meh "guessing" setup speculation. Mostly random.
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On May 22 2014 02:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2014 02:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote: For fucks sake BH, your biggest scum tell right now is that you keep insisting on it. I don't care if I look scummy, what matters is that 1) Odin is statistically speaking our best lynch, since he was RNGed 2) Odin also had an objectively scummy thread entrance (omgus) and a super scummy follow-up (as in, he hasn't pushed his read on me even a tiny bit) So, I don't care what you think of me. I'm a vet, I'm not getting lynched today. At one point, the Odin lynched was tied for the lead, I can do this. I'll make this happen. And afterwards, if you're town, you'll thank me. lol Challenge accepted ##Unvote ##Vote: BlazingHand Don't lynch me, I'm Isaac, Hero of Vale! I have important powered needed for us to win, and if I get lynched this game will be much harder. You know this claim is real cause Isaac is like the main character so I would 100% get CCed if there was another Isaac. @everyone who wanted to lynch me: /dunked.
So 3 votes compelled you to role claim "an important power needed for us to win"?
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The Doctor, Harry Potter, and The Batman are not impressed.
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To make things clear, I don't think "Isaac" would be a good day one lynch in a 30+ player game. I say deal with it later.
In b4 "well who do you want to lynch Kita?". -Dunno. Will read thread when I'm home from work.
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On May 22 2014 02:57 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 02:51 kitaman27 wrote: To make things clear, I don't think "Isaac" would be a good day one lynch in a 30+ player game. I say deal with it later.
In b4 "well who do you want to lynch Kita?". -Dunno. Will read thread when I'm home from work. Funny I think a BH is a great lynch.
BH is probably the only player that comes to mind that goes out of his way to promote thread disruption as mafia, which I think he has done this game. I haven't really read any of the nonsense he is pushing though so I'm not sure if he has moved off the RNG stuff yet. Prior to the claim, I would have considered him.
Day 1 lynches on blue roleclaims in large games is generally a no-no, unless they come right before the flip.
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On May 22 2014 03:38 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 03:32 Steveling wrote: You try to sound angry but you only turned on me after you got caught. Facts don't lie geript scum, xD. I was implicating you being a complete dumbass; which is essentially HF's case on you. That as town, it's worth to kill you because you add nothing beneficial ever under any circumstances and there's more benefit to policy lynch you to raise the collective IQ.
Serenity Now! Serenity Now!
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On May 22 2014 03:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Personally, I think geript is town. Like BH said, mafia wouldn't make that mistake.
Regardless of whether or not geript is town, I think you're choosing poor way to come to that conclusion.
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On May 22 2014 04:37 austinmcc wrote: Kita are you around?
Just enough to skim the recent posts.
On May 22 2014 04:39 austinmcc wrote: ##Foolishness Read: Foolishness's posts in mason QT of you only shoot once
What's the fourth word in the last post you made there, message 261?
lol don't want to get you in trouble, but things like this have been deemed cheating in the past.
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On May 22 2014 04:43 Steveling wrote: So, if we don't pursue BH and geript, wtf are we doing?
You tell me!
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On May 22 2014 06:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: When I asked him about his initial vote, I was hoping for a lot stronger of a reason because I had actually agreed with it at the time.
What were you seeing and why didn't you bring it up?
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So at work they've set up a new web filter, which has TL on the blocked list. -_-
I'm able to access the site through a proxy, but the site formatting is all messed up, clicking the bold or quote buttons make the entire post disappear, the session keeps expiring, and the filter button doesn't work (probably the most annoying part). I'm likely going to be posting in spurts during in the evening without interacting with the thread much during the day, aside from weekends.
After reading through the thread from the start, I can already tell this is going to be a challenge because I've already used up most of my free time and haven't even been able to produce a post yet. I'll see how this goes for a few days if this is going to work or not.
I've got a few people that stood out, but I want the chance to read through their filters first.
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On May 22 2014 08:06 Tehpoofter wrote:Praise ABBA I have returned Glad to see all this activity while I slept Catching up now while leaving this page open. Anything I needs to know? Who is around?
Hmm so Tehpoofter caught my eye for this post containing the Holy Trinity of things mafia say.
On May 21 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote: Dodging productive questions is dumb and scummy and you know it.
##Vote: Blazinghand
Contribute or die.
On May 21 2014 10:45 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm with Marv ignore the fuck out of BH.
I found his treatment of Blazinghand to be rather inconsistent. After getting dragged into the RNG conversation for a few posts, he requests additional reads from him. BH fails to deliver so poofter calls out his behavior as mafia, votes for him, and then posts an ultimatum. A little bit later, he drops his BH vote and adopts the policy to ignore him. While ignoring the RNG argument is justified, up until this point, the "dodging of productive questions" is essentially the only thing he has deemed scummy at this point.
The only observation that I noticed from his past mafia game was that he mentions that he was disappointed after hoping to roll mafia, which he does in this game as well. That's more of a minor point though.
This game his thread interaction and post count is higher than you would expect from a typical mafia player however. I'll probably try to reevaluate him tomorrow as I'm not convinced he is mafia yet.
A couple more people on my list to look through, but I'm open to suggestions.
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Looking at jampidampi's game history, he seems like pretty easy lynch bait. His list post, while not very helpful, seemed kinda genuine. Don't think I'd want to lynch him.
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On May 22 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote: What do you guys make of cav? His last posts are just scum.
I'm kinda wondering if he can legitimately be as angry as he seems this game. Is he usually like this?
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On May 22 2014 11:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 11:28 Holyflare wrote: so why does mz have such a warped view of the thread then? can you explain that? My friend you have an 11 page filter, no matter how you slice it there is truth to what I'm saying about you shitting up the thread. Whether you are scum or not is something I wasn't even going to get into today but since my poke has got you all riled up (which if you read my post is literally the weakest accusation I've made this game since it doesn't concretely point someone out), I suppose we can have this little dance today.
I'd prefer if you saved Holy for another day and looked elsewhere. I think your time can be spent more efficiently at this point.
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Cephiro since you haven't posted in the last 50 pages and bunnies has posted a decent amount since then, have you reevaluated your read or do you come to the same conclusion and why?
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I'm also in the "dear god please stop posting so much Holy" boat, but less concerned at this point about lynching him for it.
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On May 22 2014 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote: What do you guys make of cav? His last posts are just scum. I'm kinda wondering if he can legitimately be as angry as he seems this game. Is he usually like this?
Just realized that I remember Cav from one of the newbie games. He totally gets worked up like this as town.
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On May 22 2014 11:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey Kita, I understand you'd rather me not pursue this HF thing right now but his responses have piqued my interests. Since you're here, why don't you give me some suggestions of who else I could look at.
Take your pick out of these four.
Valenius Wave poofter BlueyD
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On May 22 2014 12:12 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 12:11 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 11:57 Steveling wrote:On May 22 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2014 11:40 Steveling wrote:On May 22 2014 11:37 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2014 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:On May 22 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote: What do you guys make of cav? His last posts are just scum. I'm kinda wondering if he can legitimately be as angry as he seems this game. Is he usually like this? i for one understand his annoyance (hence the early game me vs steve) but i'd like him to start branching out a bit What annoyance? What kind of lies are you spreading here. He's not saying that I'm spammy or annoying or anything like that. His only reason was that I play like my other games, even like my scum games which I proceeded to disprove and after that he went crazy, I asked him to parley but he refuses, obviously because he has no other reasons because he's scum. well if i was annoyed at you for last game and i was mafia and i won because i could push a mislynch on you i can only imagine what cav would feel like if you started doing the same thing in this game (he was town in that game for anyone else wondering) it would put me in a fowl mood for every single post of yours that i read, like it did for me at the start. It's also frustrating to not be listened to when you're in a mindset like that So you chose to completely phase out the part where I distinguished my town from my scum plays. The part where even cav admitted of being right and backed off. You have a shitty excuse my friend. I never admitted you were right. You're deliberately ignoring the points I was making in my earlier case and you're just saying "no im town ur wrong." Every single thing you're trying to accuse me of doing is something you're doing, and I'm desperately trying to find something else to focus on besides you shitting up the thread with nonsense. Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to try to read someone else now. Oh he miraculously appears again, that's golden. Are you guys in the scum qt by any chance? lmao
Posts like these aren't very productive :/
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On May 22 2014 12:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 11:58 kitaman27 wrote:On May 22 2014 11:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey Kita, I understand you'd rather me not pursue this HF thing right now but his responses have piqued my interests. Since you're here, why don't you give me some suggestions of who else I could look at. Take your pick out of these four. Valenius Wave poofter BlueyD Well you already know my opinions on Wave and Val Here's my opinion on BlueyD: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:53 BlueyD wrote: Wasn't so convinced by the case on Valenius when I read it. His posts weren't pretend-contributions of the scummy type, they were just obviously irrelevant. [...] Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 13:36 BlueyD wrote: Ehhhh I'm back.
Don't like the case on bunnies, I feel like Ceph is stretching it. [...] Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: I don’t like that the case on mtamburini seems to rely on a single post. It’s a really bad post due to format and scope, but the rest of the filter reads okay. [...] Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 09:58 BlueyD wrote: [...]
Ritoky: I just don’t see a case for a lynch on him right now. There are better targets. The case by austin was bad, and his reads feel honest.
Austin: One bad case, but he retracted it really quickly once some stuff was cleared up, so not much there. Mehhhh. I pretty much don’t have a good read on this guy.
Vale: There’s really only one post to analyse here, and half of it is fluff. His townreads are yellow and bkq (and bh? I dunno, the wording made it sound really weak) which is just weird to me. His only scum read is “Light shades of pink” on cav. Come on... Going to just count this as a pretend-to-help-town post since there's nothing in it I really like. On the scummy side.
I gotta be honest I have a huge problem with people who do stuff like this. Sure BlueyD has also said he finds Yellow and Tamburini lynch worthy, however there is no time spent pushing these reads. I have no idea why BlueyD's meta is but I could be swayed to a lynch on him today.
I'm in the same boat with him. Would consider a lynch. I also wasn't blown away by his points against yellow. I don't follow what he is saying with the quote that he picked up and with this point below, I don't think that there is evidence to show that this is something mafia are more likely to do than town.
On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: -that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch
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On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: I don’t like that the case on mtamburini seems to rely on a single post. It’s a really bad post due to format and scope, but the rest of the filter reads okay.
On May 22 2014 13:51 BlueyD wrote: ##vote mtamburini
Don't think Yellow is replying to me tonight so I'll just have to put my vote on who I think is the strongest case now.
##Vote BlueyD
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Could you show me the posts that back that up?
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On May 22 2014 22:06 marvellosity wrote: Is Bluey's filter long enough that kita should miss that sort of thing? :/
My fault for not picking up "burini" when looking for any other mention between those two points. I admit it makes the change is opinion less of a concern.
You mentioned you were going to look at blue at some point. Where do you stand currently?
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On May 22 2014 22:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 22:08 kitaman27 wrote:On May 22 2014 22:06 marvellosity wrote: Is Bluey's filter long enough that kita should miss that sort of thing? :/ My fault for not picking up "burini" when looking for any other mention between those two points. I admit it makes the change is opinion less of a concern. You mentioned you were going to look at blue at some point. Where do you stand currently? That point has not arrived :D So I'm kinda shuffling my feet around like a morose clown.
Today though, right?
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On May 22 2014 22:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 22:10 kitaman27 wrote:On May 22 2014 22:09 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2014 22:08 kitaman27 wrote:On May 22 2014 22:06 marvellosity wrote: Is Bluey's filter long enough that kita should miss that sort of thing? :/ My fault for not picking up "burini" when looking for any other mention between those two points. I admit it makes the change is opinion less of a concern. You mentioned you were going to look at blue at some point. Where do you stand currently? That point has not arrived :D So I'm kinda shuffling my feet around like a morose clown. Today though, right? Alright, I did already. Do you have any other reasons to lynch him other than your point that isn't really a point? He seems relatively blunt, straightforward and direct to me. What say you?
Moving off yellow so easily onto the largest vote is sketchy for me. He comes up with 5 reasons why the thinks yellow is mafia and then unvotes explaining that he doesn't think yellow will reply. I felt he could have take a stance on ceph when he mentioned that he felt that he was stretching the case, but chose not to. The defense of thrawn I view as townie, assuming thrawn is town due to the fact that he is an easy target at that point.
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On May 22 2014 22:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 22:10 kitaman27 wrote:On May 22 2014 22:09 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2014 22:08 kitaman27 wrote:On May 22 2014 22:06 marvellosity wrote: Is Bluey's filter long enough that kita should miss that sort of thing? :/ My fault for not picking up "burini" when looking for any other mention between those two points. I admit it makes the change is opinion less of a concern. You mentioned you were going to look at blue at some point. Where do you stand currently? That point has not arrived :D So I'm kinda shuffling my feet around like a morose clown. Today though, right? Alright, I did already. Do you have any other reasons to lynch him other than your point that isn't really a point? He seems relatively blunt, straightforward and direct to me. What say you?
Having just lynched poofter as mafia in the other game, are you concerned at all about him in this one?
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OnceKing is pretty vanilla so far. Possibly opportunistic on layabout and steve "scumslip". Would maybe settle on him if there isn't a better choice.
Trying to find an alternative wagon to tamburini so it isn't a blow out, but I've kinda skimmed passed the stuff on her in the meantime. Will probably take a closer look here next.
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The thing I dislike the most about Wave is the things he does choose to comment about. He picks out things like, "is it ever possible to confirm yourself as town", "why is foolishness including me on that list of 3 players", "what do you guys think about this bunnies person, who I think is town (why not ask opinions about mafia suspects.", and something about would steve get shot by mafia (?). They all just seem pretty irrelevant to the game.
I agree with marv's opinion however that wave does tend to post a bunch without saying much early on. Right now I have him in the more likely scum than town pile due to general apathy. Too much asking who he should look at, rather than trying to find someone himself.
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On May 23 2014 01:24 OnceKing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 22:50 kitaman27 wrote: OnceKing is pretty vanilla so far. Possibly opportunistic on layabout and steve "scumslip". Would maybe settle on him if there isn't a better choice.
Trying to find an alternative wagon to tamburini so it isn't a blow out, but I've kinda skimmed passed the stuff on her in the meantime. Will probably take a closer look here next. if i'm vanilla then why would you pick me lol why not poof, you said he's had the holy trifecta of things scum say but you don't seem to be investigating that too much
Vanilla as in, haven't brought anything useful to the table, not vanilla as in null read.
On poof, I read his filter in You Only Shoot Once and was influenced by marv's strong opinion. I'm not convinced he is town yet, but probably wouldn't lynch today.
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On May 23 2014 02:23 Hapahauli wrote: Alright I'll be driving for the rest of today. I might be able to make a vote post on the road somewhere, but other than that, I'm pretty much done with posting/analysis until after the lynch deadline.
I think Valenius is our best option for today. Tambo's recent activity makes me far more hesitant about him. I can't say for sure if he's town, but he's atleast null, and there are better targets out there for today.
I can get behind this. No real redeeming qualities in his filter, aside from maybe the early support of a RNG plan. Analysis post was really weak.
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On May 23 2014 02:28 OnceKing wrote: gr8 so do you wanna lynch valenius or no kita
Sure.
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The Foolishness "I'm not going to read the thread" strategy really shouldn't be allowed to fly from here on out.
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It's kinda funny how my opposition to the BH rng argument has prevented me from actually considering that Odin could be mafia on principle.
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The timestamp is broken (probably just for me). Could anyone tell me if lynch is in 10 minutes or 70? Thanks.
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On May 23 2014 03:54 austinmcc wrote: kita can you talk about mtam? You were looking earlier for a counterwagon to avoid blowout, now they appear in spades.
If you throw out the last couple posts that are intentionally trolly, how you feel about his/her play?
Spades? -_-
YOU WILL PAY FOR THAT ONE.
As for tam, I know I've made similar stream of consciousness posts as town after catching up on a large amount. Ya, they are usually pretty bad, but you find yourself gathering quotes of interest and then sharing your thoughts without realizing most of the things aren't really relevant anymore. I think the vote on poofter an hour before the lynch is pretty terrible. Overall, I see a player that is only interested in interacting with his little group and playing for personal amusement, but not necessarily scum yet.
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On May 23 2014 04:09 Valenius wrote: Anyway, you're the closest read i have to scum at the moment. Just flipping about and pushing whoever seems to be flavour of the hour.
More so than Odin?
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On May 23 2014 04:18 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:14 kitaman27 wrote:On May 23 2014 03:54 austinmcc wrote: kita can you talk about mtam? You were looking earlier for a counterwagon to avoid blowout, now they appear in spades.
If you throw out the last couple posts that are intentionally trolly, how you feel about his/her play? Spades? -_- YOU WILL PAY FOR THAT ONE. As for tam, I know I've made similar stream of consciousness posts as town after catching up on a large amount. Ya, they are usually pretty bad, but you find yourself gathering quotes of interest and then sharing your thoughts without realizing most of the things aren't really relevant anymore. I think the vote on poofter an hour before the lynch is pretty terrible. Overall, I see a player that is only interested in interacting with his little group and playing for personal amusement, but not necessarily scum yet. Qua? What am I paying for?
Don't toy with me. I see through all your shenanigans.
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Blados (スペード Spade) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Chalis (Heart), he is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang.
On May 23 2014 04:18 austinmcc wrote: How about his earlier stuff? There was nothing from you about him as a whole when I looked back through, although he was on a list of 4 dudes that...I think it was you saying MZ or WoS could look at. Something.
And I guess more specifically, you see him as catching up on a large amount?
I'm not really sure what you're asking here. Maybe clarify?
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On May 23 2014 04:22 27ninjabunnies wrote: Kita with these connections lol
Nobody uses the phrase "appear in spades" unless they're trying to taunt me.
I will have my justice.
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On May 21 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:05 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 10:16 mtamburini wrote: cool im town read see you final 3 mafia remember I got the hammer. Your stream of conscious post was super long please make shorter posts. So what do you think of Hf/Steve/Marv/geript some of the others seems like you just focused on people you know/have played with for the most part. I don't agree with your MZ read btw. I felt BKQ, Velanius and layabout were way scummier today. I read 200 posts and felt like quoting things I thought were worth mentioning.
@austin, catching up was a reference to the first time he had to do so, which spawned the large post that people attacked him for.
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I'm also getting incredibly frustrated at the number of posts that I've lost and not being able to filter. -_-
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Don't suppose we can get a wagon of justice on BlueyD? :/
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For someone with such a long filter, geript has been suspiciously absent from the relevant lynch discussion and his vote remains on the blue claim.
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There were a couple of people who voted for Odin based on a "logically sound case", rather than actually sharing a belief that he was mafia.
I know some may consider this a matter of semantics here, but I put some value into it. Will look back later.
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On May 23 2014 07:45 BlueyD wrote: Are you kidding me?
We actually lynched the RNG target. What the hell. You're all bad.
Only had time to check the lynch, Will be back later.
Says the guy who was gone from the thread for 19 hours :/
Also, HI ERANDORR!
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In all likelihood, I won't be available until after the deadline tonight. If I survive, I'll try to put together a larger post than what I've been able to produce so far.
Just remember my mafia friends, in multi-faction game historically, the faction that focused their night hits on the opposing faction were far more likely to win than those that prioritized mafia shots. I think it was something crazy like 9/10 last time I looked. The reason for this is that the top priority should be to eliminate the rival mafia kp. The town lynch cannot be eliminated until all town members are dead, but the mafia factional kp can be removed by killing off a much smaller group of players. Additionally, you can save yourself from a lynch by talking your way out, but you can't deal with a bullet that you don't know about. The opposing mafia faction can manipulate the vote based on their additional knowledge, which is much more of a threat than town, which is in the dark. Finally, claiming a scum shoot is a free pass to get out of jail if you get in trouble during the following cycle. The only time you want to start shooting obvious townies is a scenario where the mafia factions need to work together at like 8/1/1 or something.
The reason that I was looking for Heart/Spade posts is that I am somewhat paranoid about a multi-faction scum team that wins together, but is not aware of each others identities. As a result, they may need to breadcrumb their identities to the other half. Something to keep in mind at least.
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Mercury is the element of water, and therefore encompasses water and ice. Mercury is symbiotic with Jupiter, neutral toward Venus, and in conflict with Mars.
Hmm, sounds like factions could possibly be allied/rivals of other factions based on this description from the wiki.
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On May 24 2014 05:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:11 kitaman27 wrote:Mercury is the element of water, and therefore encompasses water and ice. Mercury is symbiotic with Jupiter, neutral toward Venus, and in conflict with Mars. Hmm, sounds like factions could possibly be allied/rivals of other factions based on this description from the wiki. So it would be like this? Town Scum Mercury Jupiter Mars or something
I would think:
Town Venus Mercury Jupiter Mars
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BlueyD
On May 21 2014 10:15 BlueyD wrote: NO to rng lynch. Bad idea. End of story for me.
Early on he takes the approach that I would expect knowing that Odin is likely town. Nothing too criminal here though.
On May 21 2014 10:53 BlueyD wrote: Wasn't so convinced by the case on Valenius when I read it. His posts weren't pretend-contributions of the scummy type, they were just obviously irrelevant.
Don't like how he follows it up with RNG-lynch talk, though. The whole thing is just a good place for scum to hide and not have to make any reads.
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On layabout: I'd like someone who knows him to confirm he always picks BH for an early vote...
At multiple points, he takes a wishy washy approach to to his reads. Makes one point why a player is town, makes another point why a player is mafia, without coming to a conclusion. He does this with both Valenius and mtamburini. It's possible to be a townie who isn't really sure this early in the game, but I think it's a bigger concern considering he doesn't find many things suspicious early on.
He shares the common opinion that the case on Cephiro feels stretch, but he doesn't say whether he feels that Cephiro is a town player that is forcing a case or if he is a mafia player that is pushing a player maliciously.
Here is the part that I find severe:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: Yellow’s is just... -a lot of rng discussion with very few reads, -that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch -mentions the fact that there are multiple scum factions twice and seems to think it’s important. - and there’s at least one gem of defensive thought right here: On May 22 2014 00:26 BlueyD wrote: Oh, fun, I just saw your newest post. You are literally townreading someone who is pushing for your lynch (poofter), and who has his vote on you. I don't even know anymore. On May 22 2014 09:58 BlueyD wrote: Hmmm there’s a decent amount of people townreading yellow and I don’t get it, at all. I think the 3 I was analyzing below were for town-yellow, huh. HF you’re one of those who townread him, why? Is he often lynched early when he’s town? Basically is he lynchbait? Cuz he still doesn’t look good to me.
Here he essentially gives multiple reasons why he finds Yellow as scummy. First off, I don't find the reasons to be all that compelling. Him changing his mind on BH's rng policy isn't a huge deal, the setup and rng discussion is a minor point, but not the basis of a case, and town reading poofter who is voting for him seems more of a townie action than something you would expect from a mafia player.
On May 22 2014 13:51 BlueyD wrote: Things be good. While I'm at it:
##vote mtamburini
Don't think Yellow is replying to me tonight so I'll just have to put my vote on who I think is the strongest case now.
Secondly, he gives a really weird excuse for moving off yellow so easily. He moves his vote due to a lack of reply, but there is no real followup to his yellow case to push the player he believes to have caught as scum. He does mention that he finds hapa's post on tam valid, but throughout the entire day one he doesn't bring anything new to the table. It seems like he is looking for a player to vote, rather than scumhunt. Once he finds a player, he disappears from the thread for an 18 hour period.
On May 23 2014 07:45 BlueyD wrote: Are you kidding me?
We actually lynched the RNG target. What the hell. You're all bad.
Only had time to check the lynch, Will be back later.
When he returns, he gives us this post. A ton of the time, you'll see a mafia player post something like that, blaming town for their incompetence, even though he showed that he didn't care enough to even show up at the lynch. It's real easy to blame others when you do nothing to actually stop it.
He attacks Cavalinho for the way he handle the Odin/tam/val vote switch, which is fine in theory, but I think there is too much blame here based on a him not participating in an unrealistic last minute vote swing.
Mafia will also generally go out of their way to complain about the blue claims when they see a bad one, which he does with steve and slam.
Overall, I think he does enough to get by, but he hasn't done anything that makes me feel like he prioritizing figuring out the game, rather than doing what is necessary for survival. Leaning mafia.
Will post about a couple others later tonight or tomorrow morning.
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kitaman27
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On May 24 2014 08:33 mattisfoolish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:24 austinmcc wrote:
kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town.
This is a correct read but drawing the wrong conclusion; you've essentially given the tl;dr of my case but you didn't do the history check to see what it means for him.
Since your case is so reliant on past behavior, I assume this is the conclusion you came to after looking through 3+ games of each alignment and not just the one that you pointed out?
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On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote: the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst
Who were you referring to here?
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On May 24 2014 09:27 mattisfoolish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 09:22 kitaman27 wrote:On May 24 2014 08:33 mattisfoolish wrote:On May 24 2014 04:24 austinmcc wrote:
kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town.
This is a correct read but drawing the wrong conclusion; you've essentially given the tl;dr of my case but you didn't do the history check to see what it means for him. Since your case is so reliant on past behavior, I assume this is the conclusion you came to after looking through 3+ games of each alignment and not just the one that you pointed out? I used the following games: TownTL Mafia LXIVNormal Mini Mafia Episode 1SMB Mini MafiaMafiaDoctor Who Mafia 2Default Suspicions MafiaSicilian Mafia Style
mmk. I was always under the assumption that kush is more likely mafia when you're not suspecting him because he is actually being reasonable, but perhaps that isn't the case. I'll take a look.
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Hmm I may be willing to reconsider BlueyD. To some degree it can be telling when a player is only motivated enough to contribute when they are on the hot seat, but the post itself was pretty reasonable. I think the biggest thing will be to see if he will continue to provide content or if he goes back to his previous ways after votes come off him.
##Unvote
Valenius is still on my scum list. He didn't have much to say on day one and he hasn't said anything yet on day two. He was one of the people who seemed to indicate that they would be on board for a Odin lynch due to a good "case" rather than calling Odin mafia.
On May 23 2014 03:55 Valenius wrote: Yeah, that's a reasonable case. Votes going on Odin in a bit unless i find anything in the filter of one/two others first.
At 14:55 he mentions that he will vote Odin unless he finds a better case from a few filters. 15 minutes later he posts his case on hapa coming to a scum conclusion. He obviously couldn't have spent much time looking elsewhere during this time due to how quickly he posted it. So if the only person he is looking at is someone without any votes, his statement about finding a better person to vote for isn't really valid. I would think he would be looking at people like Val or tam at that point. Seems like he wanted to show he had a scum read on someone before throwing down his vote on Odin.
Based on content, I don't recall steveling standing out as scummy, aside from maybe a couple buddy attempts, but his role claim concerns me the most. The claim would mean he is more concerned about letting to town know that he was shot, than using the role to absorb future shots.
On May 24 2014 05:05 Steveling wrote: My role is Lord Babi, my 4 Lemurian Draught casks allow me to survive the next kp targeted on me by consuming them.
It doesn't clarify if the bullets are refunded.
A four shot self-protect seems more powerful than I would expect out of a town role. He is essentially bulletproof at that point.
I've lost my patience with thrawn. I want to lynch him and possibly would consider him my preferred lynch. He has even done this a couple of times in past mafia games, going the entire game without posting.
For someone who everyone was ready to kill off most of day one, he has gotten off pretty easy today. I'm willing to understand a busy schedule, but he really better making up for it in the final 24 hours by posting three times as much content. If he shows up and goes back to trolly mode with a read on 1-2 players I would be willing to lynch.
Looking at Cephiro's scum games, he has posted those monster walls of text early in the game multiple times as each alignment. I'm not willing to assume he is town based on effort there, especially since the content of the case wasn't very convincing. He hasn't posted since the start of day one.
I still need to look at kush. I felt the Foolishness case was pretty easy to throw together. I'm having trouble sensing a time commitment here. I remember him calling jampi town in passing through, which reminded me of his behavior in the Aperture game.
I think I'd prefer thrawn over meat if we're going to go with a inactive lynch.
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kitaman27
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On May 25 2014 10:12 kushm4sta wrote: why thrawn over meat
Seems like thrawn is lurking, while meat is inactive and thrawn has past history of lurking as mafia. Showing up just to post "you shouldn't lynch me" annoyed me a bit as well. I have higher expectations of thrawn, though I'm not too familiar with meat. I wouldn't oppose votes on meat though considering his "Im going to play my trademark lazy town until i need to try hard" statement.
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On May 22 2014 21:57 Yell0w wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 21:52 kitaman27 wrote:On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: I don’t like that the case on mtamburini seems to rely on a single post. It’s a really bad post due to format and scope, but the rest of the filter reads okay. On May 22 2014 13:51 BlueyD wrote: ##vote mtamburini
Don't think Yellow is replying to me tonight so I'll just have to put my vote on who I think is the strongest case now. ##Vote BlueyD I don't think that makes him scum, I think there was a clear progression in his filter from the case his bad, to the case is good after more points where made, to voting for tamburini.
On May 22 2014 22:03 Yell0w wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 21:59 kitaman27 wrote: Could you show me the posts that back that up? Well the first post you quoted was after only Hapa made the case that tamburini's big post was scummy, which obviously blueyD thought was a weak case, then foolishness made a case, Hapa posted more about it and blueyD said: Show nested quote +Whew, back to this. Strongest thing I’ve seen in the last 30 or so pages is this. burini is looking like a decent lynch at the moment.
On May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote: Just to add to this though, I found this post which is all sorts of WAT: Show nested quote +
Furthermore, the bolded comment is incredibly strange, given that yellow flipped town in the game in-question. You'd think she would exhibit more pause after wanting to lynch a townie for similar rationale, but instead she bolsters her suspicions with it... that just makes very little sense from a town perspective.
Do these two posts seem mafia indicative to you hapa?
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##Vote austinmcc
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On May 25 2014 23:28 27ninjabunnies wrote: So the fact that austin volunteered information makes me think he is more town. He has been looking through the thread, and trying to actively find scum. Sure, scum find scum is possible, but if he was a threat to another scum faction, that faction can just kill him in the night, so i'd leave him alone.
A player who is not town cannot be more town.
To anyone arguing that another scum faction will shoot him, there is no chance that will happen. An outed non-town player is going to be allowed to live until town deals with him because that one less lynch that may be used on a mafia player.
Also, you leaving a claimed recruiter alive is a no-no.
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kitaman27
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If I had to guess, austin is just fake claiming recruiter to make us paranoid about any obvious townies. He was caught and had nothing to lose.
A recruiter mechanic doesn't make sense in this setup. Suppose his faction recruits a member from a mafia faction. Then they would have the complete scum list for that team. Think of how fast the game would fall apart that way. It doesn't work.
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On May 26 2014 01:21 austinmcc wrote: Also, as far as winning goes, I need the other faction dead. I need endgame. And I need to have 3-5 people recruited. Any less and our fire isn't strong enough. Any more and our fire is burning too hot. So I don't need to add people every night, but I gots to be allowed to get at least one more recruit in, then can go scumhunting with the recruit OR just scumhunt with text.
You need to reach endgame right? So you would do anything to live I would assume?
Claim your recruit. Thanks
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On May 26 2014 02:04 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 02:02 kitaman27 wrote:On May 26 2014 01:21 austinmcc wrote: Also, as far as winning goes, I need the other faction dead. I need endgame. And I need to have 3-5 people recruited. Any less and our fire isn't strong enough. Any more and our fire is burning too hot. So I don't need to add people every night, but I gots to be allowed to get at least one more recruit in, then can go scumhunting with the recruit OR just scumhunt with text. You need to reach endgame right? So you would do anything to live I would assume? Claim your recruit. Thanks  No thanks. I need to reach endgame, or at least get 3-5 people to endgame so I need to reach...after now. But I can't win so long as another faction is around. If they have to eliminate MY faction, I don't want to give them a happy list and let them tick off a victory condition.
Even despite your spade taunting, I tried to help you!
At least I owe you a thanks for not trying to get even for Dr Who 
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On May 26 2014 02:16 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 02:13 kitaman27 wrote:On May 26 2014 02:04 austinmcc wrote:On May 26 2014 02:02 kitaman27 wrote:On May 26 2014 01:21 austinmcc wrote: Also, as far as winning goes, I need the other faction dead. I need endgame. And I need to have 3-5 people recruited. Any less and our fire isn't strong enough. Any more and our fire is burning too hot. So I don't need to add people every night, but I gots to be allowed to get at least one more recruit in, then can go scumhunting with the recruit OR just scumhunt with text. You need to reach endgame right? So you would do anything to live I would assume? Claim your recruit. Thanks  No thanks. I need to reach endgame, or at least get 3-5 people to endgame so I need to reach...after now. But I can't win so long as another faction is around. If they have to eliminate MY faction, I don't want to give them a happy list and let them tick off a victory condition. Even despite your spade taunting, I tried to help you! At least I owe you a thanks for not trying to get even for Dr Who  I thought about it. Seriously though. You think I'm fakeclaiming? If not, why am I giving out real info and why the heck is my role set this way if I'm mafia?
I'm guessing you're not telling the whole truth, but some of it may be plausible. Would lynch you either way though. Sorry, detective checks are so cruel
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On May 26 2014 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote: Here's your money. 💴💵💷💳💸💶💰💲🏧
EVERYONE KNOWS MERCURY IS THE GOD OF COMMERCE AND FINANCE.
I've caught you twice in one game.
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On May 21 2014 13:46 Steveling wrote: Can I join the club of guys that won't get lynched?
On May 21 2014 13:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry Steve, it's a pretty exclusive club. We kicked some people out of it not too long ago I think.
On May 21 2014 14:52 Steveling wrote: Here, I joined the club guys!
I have more vital information to reveal to the thread. While austin's foolish spade taunting eventually led to his downfall, I have recently discovered two more individuals that seek to insult me in the cruelest way imaginable. We must bring these two to justice as swiftly as possible.
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kitaman27
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You fell for my trap! This game just keeps solving itself.
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On May 26 2014 11:09 geript wrote: @Kita. Could you look at Bunnies for me and see if I'm just crazy right now or onto something. Do you make nothing of how she's half pushing ritoky as scummy and half ignoring his stuff. Like she's not trying to actually figure out his alignment just throw suspicion.
Well my gut reaction to the "touched by magic" claim would be that ritoky is telling the truth. There isn't an obvious reason to make something like that up on the spot as far as I'm concerned. At first bunnies mentions how he could either tell the truth or be lying, but then seems to be more open to the idea that he is telling the truth, which makes the most sense logically. I think it's rare that you will find a player trying to throw suspicion on another player unless they are going for the mislynch at that moment. Generally, they are either genuinely suspicious or they are wanting to make it seem as if they are suspicious for town cred. There are enough people that she has commented on that I'm willing to excuse her for sitting on the fence with him. Admittedly, I've been avoiding people with huge filters like the plague so I'm not sure how legit those other reads are.
If you're looking for a shot, I think there are better choices like thrawn, Errandorr, or maybe tam?. Perhaps Foolishness if you're feeling ballsy (Need to get back to you on this one).
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On May 26 2014 11:42 layabout wrote: naw rito says bunny has magic power (blue or mafia) or was visited
Did I miss the part where we learned that touched by magic means blue or mafia?
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kitaman27
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Thanks to ShiaoPi and company for hosting!
There were definitely some interesting concepts, even if they didn't work out in practice.
Funny enough, with four single person factions on day one, a RNG lynch isn't so bad after all 
I think my enjoyment of this game increased significantly after deciding to put less effort in and go with the flow. Like layabout was saying, the thread was pretty unbearable due to the size. 250 pages in two cycles is just too much.
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