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Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 16 2014 20:29 GMT
#95
/in

This is going to be so confusing.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 20 2014 21:49 GMT
#359
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?

Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 20 2014 21:57 GMT
#380
On May 21 2014 06:54 Steveling wrote:
Yellow's post was so wrong lmao.
He basically said that "yeah I know that we rolled a dead schroedingers cat but what if we rolled an alive one?"


I'm not sure what that means, but I definitely prefer an alive cat to a dead one.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 20 2014 22:04 GMT
#400
On May 21 2014 06:57 Xatalos wrote:
If most players randomed their votes separately, it would just end up with scum getting to choose their preferred lynch. LMAO


I disagree, if most people randomed their votes, the ones who didn't would instantly look scummy and we could lynch them tomorrow. Everyone would RNG their votes if most people did it, because they'd know how bad it would make them look otherwise.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 20 2014 22:11 GMT
#417
On May 21 2014 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
That was sarcasm btw


SHE USED SARCASM! LET'S LYNCH HER!
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 20 2014 22:17 GMT
#431
On May 21 2014 07:08 Xatalos wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:04 Yell0w wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:57 Xatalos wrote:
If most players randomed their votes separately, it would just end up with scum getting to choose their preferred lynch. LMAO


I disagree, if most people randomed their votes, the ones who didn't would instantly look scummy and we could lynch them tomorrow. Everyone would RNG their votes if most people did it, because they'd know how bad it would make them look otherwise.


How can you ensure that everyone votes according to RNG?


Well, I think I explained it, everyone posts saying they're going to vote by RNG and they use the # of that post to vote, but obviously there is no way to make everyone do it.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 20 2014 22:26 GMT
#454
On May 21 2014 07:24 Steveling wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:23 Holyflare wrote:
yeh well i dislike that don't actually you know.. play mafia


I don't like that personal attack.
Keep your thoughts about what's mafia play and what not to yourself.


So basically you want the right to be a bad town without people calling you out on it?
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 20 2014 23:55 GMT
#596
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.

##Vote: OdinofPergo
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 00:09 GMT
#613
On May 21 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 21 2014 09:03 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while


HF haha at least stop giving Steve more fuel to his HF/BH scum fire.

So who should we move onto HF?

I want to know what happened to that BKQ he came in with this post: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote:
Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions.
Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now.
The other person is meapak_ziph.
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On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?

Guess I might as well read the op then.

Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...


He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave.

What's up Marv, steve, MZ?
Marv responded actually pretty quickly: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:48 marvellosity wrote:
bkjjgsdklfsdklfjskldfjklsdfjskldfjs, you don't get to speak to me until you can spell my name. Try again in 24h.
but he never addressed him or anyone else again. Like to me seems like "going to run in throw in some scum reads ask a question appear to be analyzing the thread then peace out" Have you played with him before? (this is to everyone) What is he like?


pretty sure he's a smurf and spelt marv's name wrong so unforgiveable

he's got one post so honestly no idea?


Fair enough it is just one post but I felt that if he really cared about his answers he would have stuck around at least 2-3 minutes.

Who do you think is scummy since BH gets the crazy person yelling pass from you.


yellow, he spends like 5 posts trying to say that his rng method is better and then drops it for bh's rng even though he made this post stating the reason he didn't like it:


Show nested quote +
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?



Well I do think my method is better, I'm new to this though and didn't realize at the time that people would be so against a RNG lynch, because obviously my method doesn't work if everyone doesn't do it.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 00:59 GMT
#668
I suck at quoting and tamburini was way too long so it's confusing for me but anyways.


Again this post made my brain bleed. Yellow if this is your town play and how you scumhunt then I for towns sake I hope you are the cop so you can get some REAL information and dont have to try these unrealistic tactics to catch scum.


I don't get what was wrong with my post or how what you said is relevant to it, someone talked about a situation and I said if that situation happened, we would easily be able to catch scum. Obviously that situation is not going to happen, but I'm not the one who brought it up, so I don't really know what the issue is.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 01:12 GMT
#678
So Slam basically just did what geript said he does as town? Is it just me or is that very scummy?
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 01:14 GMT
#681
On May 21 2014 10:13 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 21 2014 10:12 Yell0w wrote:
So Slam basically just did what geript said he does as town? Is it just me or is that very scummy?

yes, doing what you do as town is super scummy

#logic

this game is amazing.


Are you kidding me? He did it after he was called out on not doing it, like did you just make a joke or were you being serious?
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 02:44 GMT
#780
So I originally thought steve was town, but his play is so anti-town I don't know what to believe anymore, why would an actual townie act that way?
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 02:56 GMT
#796
On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:
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On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:
Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?


this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this


How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage.

Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case?


The problem is there are multiple scum factions, you could both be scum and not know it.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 03:03 GMT
#810
On May 21 2014 11:58 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 11:56 Yell0w wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:
Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?


this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this


How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage.

Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case?


The problem is there are multiple scum factions, you could both be scum and not know it.
Do you think that multiple scum factions makes cephiro's post thought here invalid?


Well the argument is that bunnies didn't think cephiro could be scum because she's scum so she knows the other scums, right? But she has no way to know that even if she's scum, so yes I think he didn't think it through.

And to answer Hapa, obviously I don't know if there are more than one scummy factions, though it's likely in my opinion and either way, neither does anyone right? So, still, bunnies had no way to know that cephiro wasn't scum, which is the whole argument.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 03:11 GMT
#828
First I kind of wish poofter gave a reason for voting me, that'd be nice.

On May 21 2014 12:06 Steveling wrote:
About yellow, since you guys are on it, notice how he jumped on me 2 pages back.
Really suspicious.


I don't know how that's suspicious, I've hated the way you've been posting since the start of the game, I just didn't comment on it because I hoped you would stop talking.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 13:48 GMT
#1196
So I'm going to go ahead and explain my actions since some people want to lynch me, I'm gonna answer poofter's accusation first:

@Sqrt Look at what Yellow has said since then. Hes super on board with the random lynch and gives up on his idea. He throws dirt on Steve when someone comes in and tells him to stop shitting up the thread (I think steve is town so no on that) + Show Spoiler + This screams of TMI like how do you know there are multiple scum factions could be town + scum + third party shenanigans?


@yellow I voted you because of the above and other minor interjections where you're saying "wow that looks scummy of you" basically nudging a wagon into happening instead of actually pressuring someone with voting and a case sounds more like you're pointing people to be like "hey look boys X did something scummy what do we do?" like a not get your hands dirty type of play.


So first of all, I don't get how thinking a random lynch is a good idea is in way alignment indicative and I still think Steve is probably town, but his play has been very anti-town, talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing except that HF was mafia for no reasons. This whole me thinking there are multiple scum factions is kind of a silly argument, I just think it's the most likely scenario, don't see how that makes me scum. As far as I know, most possible 3rd party roles are anti town, so they're scum. Hm, I guess if I am a 3rd party anti-town myself I would know there are at least one other scum faction, maybe the argument isn't as silly as I first thought.

I think the second part refers to what I said about Slam, I just thought him acting the way someone said he does when he's town is something a scum player would do, I don't know what was wrong with me pointing it out. I don't know if he is scum or not, clearly others know him and know how to read him, so I'm going to let them read him because I certainly have no idea.

And the other person who voted against me was BlueyD, he said:

Yellow’s is just...
-a lot of rng discussion with very few reads,
-that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch
-mentions the fact that there are multiple scum factions twice and seems to think it’s important.
- and there’s at least one gem of defensive thought right here:


Once again assuming a random lynch is scummy, which I still don't get, and the issue with BH's method isn't that it doesn't work well, it's just that it's not as RNG as it could be since people know what they're voting for before voting, I asked questions about it since this is my second game and no one brought it up in my first game and I wanted to know people's thoughts on it. Nobody really answered though, people either said my idea was good or it was bad, without saying why, no one answered my questions about BH's method and the general idea I got from the thread is that RNG lynches are just not fun, which I don't think is a good argument. So I thought about it some more and came to the conclusion his method was the best RNG method since people aren't willing to random their votes.

I didn't really see it as a contradiction, even though everyone seems to think it was, I wasn't fully against it in my first post, I just asked some questions about it and then thought about it and concluded it was fine.

I already talked about the multiple scums faction thing, but yes I do think what the other factions are is important, why would it not be important? And I don't get your last point at all.

I'm town here guys, I don't think I did anything scummy, I especially didn't like BlueyD's case, I think it was really weak, like because I talked about RNG I'm scum, that doesn't make sense to me. Anyways, I'm gonna give my general reads a bit later, I still need to catch up to the thread though, I didn't give any reads earlier because it's hard when everyone knows each other and knows each other's plays when I don't, I'm worried I'll say silly things and call someone suspicious for doing what everyone knows is his town game, but I'll definitely give reads on the people I played with.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 21 2014 15:19 GMT
#1213
So I'm going to start by talking about the people I played with:

Bunnies: leaning town, I didn't think the case against her was good at all. She hasn't been as obviously townie as she was last game, but she still seemed town to me, trying to figured out the game and gave reads.

Sqrt: leaning town, my only issue with him is while I don't think he's been scummy at all, he hasn't been the town sqrt I know from last game, he either changed his game to not get mislynched again or he's not town, I'm leaning towards the former.

meat: null, basically did the same thing he did last game where he was town, but he could be doing it because he knows people who read that game won't lynch him for it.

ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.

tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.

I thought I'd have more time to do this but my friend showed up and wants to play chess, but for now, with tamburini, my biggest scum read is jampidampi and biggest town reads are poofter and hapa.
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 22 2014 12:39 GMT
#2194
I'm curious why Hapa spent so much time defending steve when he's not going to get lynched anyways.

And Marv, are you saying we should lynch you tomorrow if we lynch tamburini today and she flips town?
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 22 2014 12:42 GMT
#2199
On May 22 2014 21:40 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 22 2014 21:39 Yell0w wrote:
I'm curious why Hapa spent so much time defending steve when he's not going to get lynched anyways.

And Marv, are you saying we should lynch you tomorrow if we lynch tamburini today and she flips town?

Where on earth did you get that from? O.o


Oh wait, you said both day 1 and 2, sorry my bad.
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