Golden Sun: The Lost Age Mafia Djinn Edition

On May 18 2014 22:44 Koshi wrote:

You wont regret it! Just got to be careful of WoS. I remember him being evul recently.
But all others are always nice to low filters!

Just keep up with the game and contribute to the glory of town!

On May 19 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:

Yes but you rarely say pls when you ask them.

On May 19 2014 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:

Yes, yes. And I was promised entrance to heaven too. Great deadline etc.
But 5 factions?! How is anyone going to be able to read people this way?

On May 21 2014 06:12 Steveling wrote:


Sold.

##vote: holyflare

On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?

Guess I might as well read the op then.

Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...

On May 21 2014 06:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Sadly, this is very normal for forum play.

On May 21 2014 06:26 geript wrote:

Suck it. I rolled vig. Want to make sure I don't shoot you today?

On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.

On May 21 2014 06:42 kushm4sta wrote:
i feel compelled to remind everyone to shut the fuck up because this is a 30 person game.

On May 21 2014 06:57 Koshi wrote:

WoS probably town, that whiny thing about the VT thing looked legit. Just because he does it each time.
Steveling also town. gutread.
Poofter dnu.

Your Master has spoken his first words of Wisdom.

On May 21 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote:



Your Master is lazy.

On May 21 2014 08:01 kitaman27 wrote:


It's because you enter games with posts like these!



Also, if we start ignoring Blazinghand, maybe he will go away.

On May 21 2014 08:08 Blazinghand wrote:


You haven't weighed in on the OdinofPergo RNG lynch. Given that this setup is uniquely suited to RNG lynch, what do you think?

On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
wait till he claims a role that's already flipped and then kill him

On May 21 2014 09:47 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Im going to play my trademark lazy town until i need to try hard...

On May 21 2014 10:26 geript wrote:
Also for the record, Slam is the fox. Bye bye Marv.

On May 21 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:


ya

On May 21 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:
should be obvious/will be obvious

On May 21 2014 12:17 Hapahauli wrote:


We're not lynching Holyflare today. You will not have much success in mafia lynching people with a 4 page filter ~6 hours into the game.

Talk about some of the other good candidates up on the block.

On May 21 2014 12:23 Cavalinho wrote:


You think I haven't, but I have. You're the one player on the site I'm incredibly familiar with and I'm 100% confident I could read you as either alignment.

On May 21 2014 12:24 Holyflare wrote:
hahahahaha wave the fear lynch is reaaaaal

On May 21 2014 12:27 Cavalinho wrote:


I'll tell you on one condition:

You tell me how to link posts. Deal?

On May 21 2014 12:32 mattisfoolish wrote:
Mattchew is essentially out of commission for the next week. Apparently he fails really hard at scheduling his life. So for all intensive purposes this is Foolishness playing.

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Now I started reading the thread just now and realized that there was a big block in my head. There are a lot of posts and meh, I could read them in order but what fun would that be? I believe there's some popular expression about only have one life or something and innovation won't come unless you're willing to step away from the norm.

As a result, I'm just going to passively read the thread whenever I find time (i.e. never) and I'll just read filters. Here's how this is going to work.

1) If you are a reputable townie* and are getting a bad feeling about another player X** type in the thread:
##Foolishness Read: Person X
2) I will then commence reading that person's filter and analyzing them. This may include but is not limited to: interactions with other players in the game, town/mafia oriented posts, comparison to previous games, and final thoughts about the player.
3) I will return to the thread and post my findings along with any other pertinent information.

Notes:
*Only reputable town's will have their filter requests fulfilled. Examples of non-reputable towns are: players who I've filter read and am suspicious of, players who are excessively flaming/cursing or not being friendly, and BloodyC0bbler.
**If Person X's name equals marvellosity, HolyFlare or WaveOfShadow your request will be ignored.

Of course, I'll be watching the thread to see if anyone requests me to read a filter. Please be understanding if I take a while especially if there are multiple requests. I also reserve the right to be as detailed or broad in my analysis as I want.

On May 21 2014 12:33 Cavalinho wrote:


Awesome. Guess WoS doesn't need to do it then.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449782-yuma-mini-mafia?page=16#306

Here you go WoS, my meta read from last game.

As for this one, there are a bunch of factions and scum can scumhunt so HF's meta probably won't be super useful until later on down the line. He made good, clean posts this game thus far so he's probably town, but if town takes control and he starts trying to pocket people's votes then we lynch him.

It's a really roundabout way of calling him town but I have no real experience with multifaction games.

On May 21 2014 13:03 Holyflare wrote:
but i like the cut of his jib

On May 21 2014 13:12 Holyflare wrote:


meta reads? fuck knows, interested why you're on there over hapa tbh

On May 21 2014 13:23 Holyflare wrote:
but w/e i'll just let him get on with his thing tbh

On May 21 2014 13:29 Holyflare wrote:
wave why did you "possibly" town read marv early but after shadow said you wouldn't trust him as far as i remember?

On May 21 2014 13:39 Holyflare wrote:


yes i know but paranoia is like what you are doing with me where you just flat out won't trust me but i would have expected it to be similar to your response to marv but here you possibly town read him and i wanted you to explain why

On May 21 2014 13:41 thrawn2112 wrote:


someone do some research and tell me if his top town and top scum reads align with points 1 and 2

On May 21 2014 13:42 Holyflare wrote:


ouch wave how does it feel?

On May 21 2014 13:46 Holyflare wrote:
why mz and why wave x_x? pretty sure there were more people against rng than just wave, in fact wave wasn't even that against it iirc you applauded bh for trying it?

On May 21 2014 13:46 Steveling wrote:
Can I join the club of guys that won't get lynched?

On May 21 2014 14:03 Holyflare wrote:


cephiros tl:dr

bunnies responses didn't account for his questioning and vote being from mafia because she knew he was town



no idea until she starts posting more reads on other people though because i don't agree with the ceph thing

On May 21 2014 14:04 Tehpoofter wrote:


Why is this yellow train (or any train) so hard to get started? No one has had more than 3 votes I don't think all game. I'm going to do a ghetto vote count in a second cause there hasn't been one in awhile.

On May 21 2014 15:15 ritoky wrote:


This wasn't directed at me, but I just got back and noticed a decent segue for me to give input on this as well.

re Yell0w: To me, his play is very much similar to the last game he played. He bumbles and fumbles with the details sometimes but overall I read his intentions are fairly pure for now. I don't necessarily think that because he contradicted himself that makes him mafia, it could just be bad VT play or forgetting what he said. He even admitted he contradicted himself, which is uncharacteristic of scum imo. Usually scum would be more concerned with keeping their story straight and their ducks in a row so early on.

re HF/Steve: I think a lot of that is predicated on reads from previous game experience with eachother, which I don't have with them so I can't say.

re Austin: null

re Ceph on bunnies: I think it is the most substantive accusation out there right now; that said I don't like all of the substance. I think bunnies has a ton of redeeming qualities and has done quite a bit to drive conversation so far, however as I said previously and as Ceph pointed out she seems very defensive in some posts and concerned with self image which is offputting for me. So for now I have her in a neutral area.

re Bunnies on thrawn: I think she is trying to shove a square peg in a circular hole. I think she is pushing a stubborn and conservative player who doesn't like making accusations until there is enough substance to make them into making an accusation before he is comfortable. As of now I like thrawn more than bunnies because he chose deliberately to not force out a read or flimsy accusation and stuck to his guns. However, that comes with an asterisk; that asterisk being that when he does talk, if it comes off as sheepish, parroting, or flimsy; then he is probably scum trying to blend in with the current of votes.

And just because someone (can't remember) seemed to think my read on waveofshadow was odd. I would say to you: read his filter. I find that he seems to be asking for a lot of information without giving anything back and either ignoring productive talking or actively avoiding it in a lot of cases. Much of what he says is jokes and non-committal responses. He could just be playing trolly VT during day 1, but I read it as more scummy.

On May 21 2014 15:24 Alakaslam wrote:

NO WHY TF DOES HE SHOOT ME.

Freaking town dayshits hide the alignment of bulllahit

No this is bull geript should save hot and shouldn't have claimed

On May 22 2014 01:41 Holyflare wrote:
removed wave cz marv reminded me of survivor where he was super happy to play scum and try and look towny

On May 22 2014 07:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Hey Wave I have something for you, pick up your game
You've made me so sad so far

On May 22 2014 07:35 marvellosity wrote:

I literally made a post with a whole bunch of semi-interesting questions for you to answer.

Or layabout, ritoky, mtamb. Whatever. Stop being poo.

On May 22 2014 08:24 geript wrote:

Are you kidding me Wave? He was this blatantly useless in Ver's game. Seriously?

On May 22 2014 08:32 Steveling wrote:
Although I have to admit, I feel very precious that scum are targeting me d1 in such a huge game.
Proves my worth.

On May 22 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote:


are you actually being serious?

On May 22 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think many scum people have high pages of filter of active participation so i'm wondering why that's a legitimate heuristic for mz to have

On May 22 2014 12:45 Holyflare wrote:
or wave idk

On May 22 2014 12:56 geript wrote:

BH joined the scum team on N1. Like your read on BH is honestly mind blowing. Not in the good way.

On May 22 2014 13:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I gotta be honest, the way you describe BH's scum behavior is exactly the way he's acting this game. It's not like you to miss something like that.

Goddammit wave

On May 22 2014 13:06 geript wrote:

I got the NK right. I got Slam right. I really don't care about that game. I had a shitty role.

On May 22 2014 13:22 geript wrote:
So does no one want to dispute my meta of Scumeling? Otherwise I will just know I'm right and keep hammering said point home.

On May 22 2014 15:13 mattisfoolish wrote:
Mattchew would like everyone to know that Kush is mafia and we should be lynching his ass.

On May 22 2014 15:56 Hapahauli wrote:


I really don't know how to say it any better than I have: the guy has a fucking 10 page filter in 24 hours. If you think mafia can do that, you're insane.

But then again, I really don't feel like arguing any more since...
a) There's no way I'm going to convince someone confirmation biased enough to call the guy "scumelling" over and overa gain.
b) Steveling isn't getting lynched. My target of choice is.
c) The "oats-whisperer" does not get to lecture me on how to interpret meta cases.

On May 22 2014 16:02 Steveling wrote:



Alright, thanks for the advice.
Why can't more veterans be like you or palmar?

On May 27 2014 06:07 layabout wrote:
I don't want to write an(other) essay about the rate of posting and the absurd amount of it that was irrelevant but has this forum really changed so much that big games are like this now?

On May 27 2014 06:15 Crossfire99 wrote:

Pretty much this. Both ShiaoPi and I had large themed games, this game and Infernal Affairs respectively, that just didn't start. It was around that time that Fool pretty much killed large themed games because no one played in them. Until this game, Catastrophe Mafia was going to be the last large themed game for a while, though I am glad that this game got revived even though it ended like this T_T.

On May 27 2014 07:12 Crossfire99 wrote:

Yeah, that's poorly worded by me. I meant it more like that was the final nail in the coffin. Now that Foolish has acknowledged that no one wants to play them, the large themed queue is effectively dead.

On May 27 2014 08:51 Crossfire99 wrote:

In theory that can work, but for me it doesn't work. I basically have to create most of my setup to feel comfortable enough to put it out there for people to play. If not I might not have thought of everything and the game might be broken, or the game just doesn't seem fun, etc.

On May 27 2014 09:34 Crossfire99 wrote:

I know what you're saying but I've had game ideas I thought were good, but after spending some time on them I realize they actually weren't, so I didn't put them on the queue. I guess I could just put out the idea and if there's interest, work on it, but if the idea actually sucks, just cancel it. Eh, sure that could work. I guess I don't like cancelling games, so that's why I'm hesitant.