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On May 23 2014 07:49 kushm4sta wrote: erandorr you better fukcing read the whole game What a completely useless post. I love you already | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:28 Blazinghand wrote: Don't worry guys, I won't reveal my role unless it's necessary to save my life. My role is such that I can't reveal it without making it substantially less useful going forward, assuming scum has certain roles/powers. What the fuck is going on in this game? | ||
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On May 24 2014 13:29 Holyflare wrote: I do not care about that. He has 24 hours between saying good night and returning with hello and commenting on useless bh post. Nowhere does he state he didn't have enough time to read. Apparently he is around enough to display confusion at a post when it is posted but not enough to point out anything in his "reading". I am sort of here. This game is really hard for me firstly because there is so much shit to go through. You guys have spammed a lot of fluffy crap and its not exactly fun to read that stuff. I also have played with maybe 3 people in this game before, which means I have to go through older games of 25 people now to get an understanding of how people have played in the past. And then there is the multi faction part which, in my opinion at least makes it harder to read the scummy people and how they interact with others. I am really hoping that I will be at 100 percent when the day ends but I can't even promise that. Now stop being an idiot wasting your vote on me or explain why it should be me over all the cases that have been made already. | ||
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On May 25 2014 01:17 BlueyD wrote: My defense is gonna suck but that's what you get: I'm a noob, this is my 2nd game in recent memory and it's too big for me. I've had no confidence in my reads so they come off as weak and I wait to see if someone better than me agrees instead of pushing them hard myself. I had similar behavior in Yuma with my kush read for what it's worth. Both cases I tried to build here, first on yellow and then on cav, were judged to suck on top of that so that makes me want to just say "I'm no good at this" and jump on wagons of people who are. I'm just gonna drop any thought-filter I had for the rest of the time I have left, dunno how long that is, and go with honest thoughts here. I have nothing to lose really, I don't see myself surviving very long anyway. Also screw consistency with my previous reads in what I’m gonna say here. I’m sure there’s a lot of crap in there especially since I know very few of you, meta is a useful tool but I have no real access to it. --- Kush is just scum, I might not be pushing my reads well but he doesn’t even have reads. Laziness only goes so far. It’s not “just a meta case”, he’s just done nothing. Kill it with fire soon. Same for thrawn, either he actually does stuff really soon or town better kill him. BH and Slam are in all likelihood town. This looks to me like a setup with 4 rival factions (one for each element) getting their NKs from controlling townies and making them kill stuff, with a group of town heroes immune to the control effects under most conditions. This is all speculation but that’s what I think. Either way BH and Slam have confirmed each other openly. It’s possible I’m entirely wrong, if ever one dies you’ll know the other’s alignment for sure though. Fool is town, building them cases. Kita I don’t know. Like, his case on me reads well, which is what made me realize I’ve been playing like crap... Namely I should’ve said in advance I’d miss about 19 hours of play, and I should either have made strong cases or been openly lazy, I shouldn’t have put a filter on the analysis but not on the emotions... Right now the end result is I just end up looking like someone who wants to look like he’s doing stuff when he’s not. Meh. But at the same time, well, I know the conclusion’s wrong. I think most of it is explainable by him not knowing me at all, me playing like crap, and things not looking good in the filter out of context. But overall he’d be on the townier side. Tamburini is possibly just lynchbait, his play makes no sense at all, and these crazy people who just fail to understand what is going on are usually lynchbait. I don't know if anyone can fake being this crazy while being a good player, people who've played with him would've called that immediately. I hate trying to read players like these because nothing they do is alignment-indicative and I’d hate to be in lylo with him but basically there’s a decent chance he’s town-aligned. Yellow I wouldn’t lynch right now, and rereading his case makes me realize it was not that strong in the first place even though I made it. He still looks a bit scummy to me for having pointed out how easy it could be for scum to hide in BH’s RNG-lynch and then going for it anyway, and then keeping his vote on Odin after having legit scumreads... But some stuff like defending me against an unjustified early kita attack even though I was on his case makes me like him more. It’s like, he’s nullish because stuff he’s done just goes both ways. He started scum, he's looking more and more town, I figure if he keeps talking there are good chances he'll be a townread soon. Sqrtofneg1 gives me stupidly strong scumvibes for no reason I can discern. It’s just a feeling. I open his filter and read a few posts and go “screw that”. That’s not a sign I foresee getting any useful info there. When I did manage to dive in I found a lot of unjustified town reads and not a lot of scum reads, and he turned his read on Ceph from town to scum with no reason. Lots of spam. Leaning scum. Lynch or shoot soon. Cav has had scummy moments: screwed up his meta read on me then told me to shut up and take my townie read when I questioned him on it instead of answering, then later on he’s at the point where he’d lynch me without having explained why. Plus that case I made on him which no one paid attention to. I’d put him on the scumteam. Holyflare is the 4th player I’ve played with, he's apparently known for playing the same way as town and as scum so I'm not even gonna try to read him. Steve is likely town as I’ve said, no non-suicidal scum would claim a survival role at the moment he did. Apparently he has 4 pots of invulnerability, or whatever you want to call them. That doesn’t mean listen to him, that just means ignore his ass for another 3 cycles or so if you don’t like him, he might even die by himself once his pots run out. Geript has been waving a gun in front of everyone but I’m gonna go ahead and bet it’s made of plastic. I can’t see a guy with that temper not shooting early especially when there were ok targets, and it’s kind of risky to claim vig D1. He’s doing exactly the opposite of what I’d do with a gun, aka keep it under the pillow and suprise-shoot when necessary. Does that make him scum? Well it at least makes it more likely. Meta reads apply here, as I don’t know the guy. I think it was kita who mentioned I should’ve analyzed ceph. Truth is when I wrote that post, the Ceph-bunny part is what I wrote last, it was tacked on to the rest of the post which I took a lot of time thinking up. I got lazy there, plus I had no idea whether the bad case made Ceph scummy or not, so I just went with my first thought, which was that at any rate the case wasn’t good. In hindsight I don’t like that he came in, tunneled one person, left, and didn’t show up for so long afterwards. Doesn’t feel like he carefully picked his time and target to strike, just feels like he wanted to build a case on whoever he saw, and stuck at the first person he interacted with. Scum. Xata is really really town too. I don’t care to give details on that one. But some stuff he’s said makes it pretty obvious. The rest of the players made no strong impression on me. Had a few reads I had little confidence in in a notepad file but they’re not up to date. Had a list of to-watch people which included Val, ritoki, Austin, jampi and layabout, plus some guys I talk about up there (thrawn, val, yellow, ceph, tambo). Had onceking, Hapa and ninjabunnies on the townier side for I-don’t-know-why. I even had marv 3rd party early in the game like a bunch of people now do due to him telling someone not to worry too much about factions and just hunt scum. That was another just-a-feeling that I’d have felt silly putting out there, but might actually have been useful in hindsight. Who knows. --- All right, this is already more than long enough. At worst you lynch me and I'm free from this time-consuming hulk of a game. If you lynch me you'll be one bad townie down which isn't so bad, but at least you'll have a bunch of thoughts you'll know comes from a townie. By the way I'm VT so you don't lose any powers by lynching or otherwise shooting me. I'm just gonna spend the afternoon outside. I'll take a look again tonight. oh come on | ||
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I had no possibility to fucking follow-up on yellow. Look at the time between that post and the lynch. I post nothing. Know why? Because I couldn't be there for RL reasons. And I can hardly follow-up on stuff when I wasn't be there. My mistake here is not letting you know ahead of time, which I fucking will next time. My defense is gonna suck but that's what you get: I'm a noob, this is my 2nd game in recent memory and it's too big for me. I've had no confidence in my reads so they come off as weak and I wait to see if someone better than me agrees instead of pushing them hard myself. I had similar behavior in Yuma with my kush read for what it's worth. Both cases I tried to build here, first on yellow and then on cav, were judged to suck on top of that so that makes me want to just say "I'm no good at this" and jump on wagons of people who are. which one is it? | ||
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On May 25 2014 01:41 kushm4sta wrote: blueyd looks pretty solid to me not that that means anything in this gmae so do you. | ||
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On May 25 2014 23:04 kushm4sta wrote: DO U PEOPLE NOT GET IT LOL. SCUM ARE SCUMHUNTING. i think this is hilarious | ||
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If that was true it would be actually funny to keep him alive so the scum factions have to deal with it. If he was speaking the truth they have a higher priority to kill him than we do. I think? | ||
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I still think we need to kill you, sorry austin. Too much uncertainty and you just aint one of us. This has also been the easiest bandwagon for the scummies ever but you can see a lot from the reactions. Also to people like Steve, just because there are a fuckton of 3rd party obviously wanting to kill him, does not make it a bad lynch. | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:29 Steveling wrote: Also, if austin survives this I'll sacrifice myself and protect him instead of me. r u on crack | ||
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Well I had to read through that shit again, missed it. And the other 2 statements aren't exclusive. Stop going full IRC Mafia please its awful | ||
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On May 26 2014 05:00 Holyflare wrote: How are we fucked in the slightest??? He's NOT town which means it's not a mislynch. Well Towns wincon, which you may not be privy to, refers to eliminating all threats to town. If his wincon truly was to only eliminate another faction, it gets a bit weird,since theoreticly he could still be alive and both him and town win. I still agree with the lynch just based on the fact that we do not know if he was everything he claimed, since he had no options left. And taking away Townies and change their wincondition from getting rid of all threats to town to just one threat (assuming everyone else is hostile, which is reasonable)would eventually have hurt us. Everyone who was simply screaming THIRD PARTY KILL DUUUH should use their brains a bit more. | ||
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On May 26 2014 05:09 Holyflare wrote: The fact that he coukd win simply by killing off one faction meant that he could easily be a danger to town. Not to mention he could still have been lying. yes dear i meantioned all of that in my post. Thats why i voted for him. But it wasn't as obvious as some people make it seem. | ||
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On May 26 2014 08:42 27ninjabunnies wrote: So i read your filter. Yeah, i read it that fast. This is the only post i semi like. And that's semi. Not even hard. This makes me sad. The rest of your stuff is basically one sentence of bullcrap. Like bluey made a huge ass post, and all you commented was "oh come on." Oh, come on. What did you like, what did you not like (cause the latter, due to your response, seems as if it is how you feel about that post) Yeah, so i dont like you. You cannot even begin to imagine how much I care about your opinion. Also look through the posts below that I explained exactly what I did not like. Holy shit. Huge rant incoming one second. | ||
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I do not exclude myself from this , I have tried to make some points but to be honest I have not even bothered to read most of this mess. People like Foolishness sort of did not even try to keep up, and you cannot even fault him for that because its a legitimate excuse in this game. If that is the general behaviour, you encourage the bad guys to hide in that exact same shitty pattern. I have seen like 5 people post "well he looks scummy but what can you do everyone does" I feel like I am the guy who started to get drunk too late and his usually much more responsible friends are all so fucked up that you have to start behaving like a grown up. | ||
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On May 26 2014 08:59 Xatalos wrote: I like SC2 Mafia. It's what got me into TL Mafia. Sometimes you get troll setups and quite often you get a player list full of trolls, but sometimes there are some really epic games. Thank you for proving my point | ||
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On May 26 2014 08:57 Steveling wrote: Woah. If you also call BH a whore I'll be in your debt. You have 25 fucking pages of filter. | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:03 Steveling wrote: Nvm about the whore thing, got your back eran. Ur pudge is worse than mine u sub 5k player | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: It's not just you who has to go through everything. There are people who have been sifting through filters. Trying to find scum. But i dont see much complaining from them. I get it. It's a huge game. But what do you expect from 30 something people. I gave my opinion, just like you have given yours. I really hope you become more active though. All right lets try this again. The main point was not that it is impossible, or that people are not trying. Tell me if you agree with the following statements. 1) If people in general are playing badly, which I think is fair to say, it is extremely easy to divert attention if you catch any heat as a scum player and intentional bad play (scum) will be punished more rarely. 2) In a huge game it should be even more important to avoid flooding the thread not only so people do not lose motivation but so that excuses are taken away from people to not reply to questions they have been asked, for example. 3) Multiple factions benefit even more from chaos than regular scum. Their goal is obviously partly to eliminate the other factions. I would say ideally you would find a playstyle that not only avoids you getting lynched, but also makes you dodge hits from other factions. What better environment than this ? 4) I gave my opinion, just like you have given yours Please dont say that in a mafia game. | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:26 Steveling wrote: Btw eran. hahah, you stupid basterd, I told you to not sub in this game, hahahaha. I hate you. | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Allow me to ask you a question or 2. What do you think of errandor? Who is tryharding the most right now? Am I the fucking tryhard now? IM SUPPOSED TO BE THE AWFUL RETARD MAKE IT STOP | ||
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oh thank fucking god | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:38 Holyflare wrote: All I see is eran complaining but then joining in. Classic scum. If you want to see progress then start playing and make others play, don't complain. If I was scum I would not lift a finger and just enjoy what has been going on. Can you quickly read what I wrote to bunnies and tell me if you agree, no matter what you think about my intentions? | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:42 mattisfoolish wrote: Can someone clarify for me that no pertinent information occurred which proves Kush is town so I know where to put my vote tomorrow? Can you pretty please start playing the game | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote: @valenius, your case seems valid. I'm not fully convinced tho. What are you convinced of? I went through your filter its not very clear on anything. You had a read on jampidampi, for example, even voted him and then you made a second list of reads where you completely forgot about him? Are you just not giving a shit or has something changed. If you could just shoot someone right now, would you take a shot and who would you kill? | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:47 Valenius wrote: Like, does nobody else find this scummy as fuck? The 'all' button disappears after 50 pages.. we're now at 225 pages. Haha this is what my rant was about. You can't take the button disappearance as scummy as fuck man. You could just be misunderstanding him, as in he wishes the button was there,. | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Well, if you get vanilla town in a huge game like this, doesn't it take the fun away from it? Doesn't it remove the motivation for playing? I believe kush complained about getting vanilla town early on this game. Vanilla town is the most fun role in the game man, why do people not like it. Thanks again by the way for proving my point rofl. We have created an environment where "dont wanna play " has become a legit excuse. Can you answer my questions btw would be nice | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Could you link them? I can't seem to remember you asking me any. On May 26 2014 09:48 Erandorr wrote: What are you convinced of? I went through your filter its not very clear on anything. You had a read on jampidampi, for example, even voted him and then you made a second list of reads where you completely forgot about him? Are you just not giving a shit or has something changed. If you could just shoot someone right now, would you take a shot and who would you kill? | ||
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On May 26 2014 09:59 mattisfoolish wrote: No. Just go scumhunt using the basic techniques. Read my filter for an example. How do you scumhunt using basics when by that logic half the game could be killed. | ||
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I prob wasnt targeted last night and you are thinking you can get an easy lynch on me tbh. I dont really see what you have done this game.... Ill read your filter eventually. well thats defensive :O | ||
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Yo would you say its fair that we lynch you if you do not go through with pushing any lynch and only pushing at the beginning of days or during the night again? Just based on what you have posted | ||
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On May 26 2014 10:20 kushm4sta wrote: wassup Who r u gonna shoot tonight? | ||
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