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On May 22 2014 07:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 07:40 austinmcc wrote:So you'll totally sheep me, especially over that poser marv, but you'll sheep me on something you sort of entirely disagree with. What I wrote about him included calling those things no bueno, the ones you seem to like. Also let's talk about this: On May 22 2014 07:30 Koshi wrote:1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far. This quote is either a lie, or it is town. Mafia is not able to feel like this. I wasn't in this newbie game nor did I read it but if they both were town and if it is true that rikoty was able to instant read her town than this read is pretty ok in my book. It isn't that wishy washy. There are maybe more sentences than needed but each sentence adds some more meaning. Specifically: - HOLY BALLS CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT MTAMBURINI READ RITOKY IS SHEEPING RE: BUNNIES? Look at mtam's filter. mtam was SCUMMY on bunnies, then "moving towards neutral" because they agreed on something (moving towards neutral indicates....SCUMMY still), and later back to scummy again. Seriously, go look at mtam's bunnies stuff. Ritoky is "sheeping tamburini's reads on bunnies" which were "scummy --> moving towards neutral --> scummy".
- READ THE ABOVE THING AGAIN. HE IS SHEEPING SOMEONE'S SCUMREAD. EXCEPT HE THINKS THE PERSON IS MAYBE TOWN OR MAYBE NEUTRAL. THESE ARE NOT THE SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME.
##vote: Ritoky I think you misread mtam's filter, I was moreso commenting on how I felt his movement back and forth from neutral to scummy, back to neutral was how I was feeling about bunnies. However since then mtam has gotten a lot worse in my mind. Aye. I went the wrong way on something, my post below the quoted one is DISREGARD MY LAST POST. LAST POST WRONG. or something.
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mysterymeat1 are you alive
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WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town.
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On May 22 2014 06:19 austinmcc wrote:
FIRST SIZEABLE POSTShow nested quote +On May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote:
1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far. Neutral, town, neutral. Skeptical because she "oozed town" last game, but notice how his read was never SCUM. If someone oozes town one game, and doesn't the next game, you don't conclude they're town/neutral, you conclude they AREN'T town at some point. But there's absolutely no calling of scum, just...neutral/pause and concern. Show nested quote +2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum. Throwaway RNG comment. People who think they can do better than RNG must have outside information, they're mafia. Not "people scumhunt and think their suspects are mafia, and prefer to lynch them." This is an altogether curious statement for me, I can think of reasons to like/dislike RNG, but finding people who dislike it scummy SOLELY because they think they've found mafia or CAN find mafia is...no bueno.
Point 1 is wrong Austin. He was going between scummy and neutral. Same as the not specified gender person that has a name that rhymes with that thing you slap with the bells on the side.
point 2 is indeed curious. But is it mafia? What is the mafia mindset? Is he trying to put an idea in the thread? Is he forcing town to look deeper into the people that think the rng lynch is good? Putting more dirt on those people? I don't feel that. He is pretty general talking about "these people". It's not like he is trying to incriminate 1 person. He just gives his opinion.
Anyway. I am going back off on all this giving reads thing I am now doing or I am going to get too involved in this D1 lynch. I don't want that.
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On May 22 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:@BH: it's only supposed to be for D1, the point is since you're such a mafia god it shouldn't be too hard to get your primary only scum read lynched, especially now that you've claimed and are clearly, totally innocent. Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 07:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 22 2014 07:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 22 2014 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
This would be such an amazing game to be scum.
Somebody besides Austin give me something to do mebbe?
I dunno I feel like a dumb American watching a game of cricket right now. Hey Wave I have something for you, pick up your game  You've made me so sad so far Yay I was mentioned in a 5k post! I dunno I'm legit having a shit time right now. What have you got besides memorializing me forever in your milestone post? Who are the serious candidates right now that I should look into? I feel like layabout is one of them but to me that essentially amounts to lurker lynch I thinks. Who else? People I think could definitely be red: Layabout Val People I don't have good feelings about: Slam Bunnies One of these three is probably red but I don't feel like figuring it out atm:
Steve
HF
HapaLook at these people wave, that should give you something at least.
can you explain this crazy unexplained thing?
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I can feel the wagon for Scumeling forming. It tastes wondermous.
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Yes Meepo, can you explain this?
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On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town.
Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time.
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On May 22 2014 07:58 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 07:57 ritoky wrote:On May 22 2014 07:40 austinmcc wrote:So you'll totally sheep me, especially over that poser marv, but you'll sheep me on something you sort of entirely disagree with. What I wrote about him included calling those things no bueno, the ones you seem to like. Also let's talk about this: On May 22 2014 07:30 Koshi wrote:1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far. This quote is either a lie, or it is town. Mafia is not able to feel like this. I wasn't in this newbie game nor did I read it but if they both were town and if it is true that rikoty was able to instant read her town than this read is pretty ok in my book. It isn't that wishy washy. There are maybe more sentences than needed but each sentence adds some more meaning. Specifically: - HOLY BALLS CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT MTAMBURINI READ RITOKY IS SHEEPING RE: BUNNIES? Look at mtam's filter. mtam was SCUMMY on bunnies, then "moving towards neutral" because they agreed on something (moving towards neutral indicates....SCUMMY still), and later back to scummy again. Seriously, go look at mtam's bunnies stuff. Ritoky is "sheeping tamburini's reads on bunnies" which were "scummy --> moving towards neutral --> scummy".
- READ THE ABOVE THING AGAIN. HE IS SHEEPING SOMEONE'S SCUMREAD. EXCEPT HE THINKS THE PERSON IS MAYBE TOWN OR MAYBE NEUTRAL. THESE ARE NOT THE SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME.
##vote: Ritoky I think you misread mtam's filter, I was moreso commenting on how I felt his movement back and forth from neutral to scummy, back to neutral was how I was feeling about bunnies. However since then mtam has gotten a lot worse in my mind. Aye. I went the wrong way on something, my post below the quoted one is DISREGARD MY LAST POST. LAST POST WRONG. or something.
Yes that's why I quoted your initial case because it was wrong there as well. Should we ignore that post as well or only part 1?
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On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time.
Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is.
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My spam is not useless, well it was in the beginning.
Read my last 4-5 pages and say that again.
I'm the towniest town that ever town'd.
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Praise ABBA I have returned Glad to see all this activity while I slept 
Catching up now while leaving this page open.
Anything I needs to know? Who is around?
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On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time.
where are you gettin this info from? The database only has 2 of his games in it and they are both scum,
Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII Mafia Framer Survived
Cell Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3
The only game he's played town in is in yuma where he was just spammy because he thought he caught someone and was being stubborn. I get that he looks towny this game but why are you implying this is "obvious town meta"?
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On May 22 2014 07:58 austinmcc wrote:
ritoky can you summarize how you think sqrt played as town, and then what specific changes you see in this game from those?
Well, I was one of the people that led the ML on him as town last game. People, including myself, didn't like his play because he was always demanding information from people without giving any back. He also actively avoided and ignored direct questioning on a few occasions. Outside of that he was not particularly giving any definite or strong reads and standing behind them with much reasoning. Or at least that was how I perceived him last game.
This game, most of his posts are him saying "this person - town". Then more recently some of his posts have been saying ask me for reasons if you want them, then providing the reasons upon request. Less so digging for information, moreso reacting to information. It still bugs me that he requests to be pinged for reasons instead of just including them with the reads themselves, but it is distinctly different.
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On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is.
Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc.
Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless.
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On May 22 2014 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 06:19 austinmcc wrote:
FIRST SIZEABLE POSTOn May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote:
1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far. Neutral, town, neutral. Skeptical because she "oozed town" last game, but notice how his read was never SCUM. If someone oozes town one game, and doesn't the next game, you don't conclude they're town/neutral, you conclude they AREN'T town at some point. But there's absolutely no calling of scum, just...neutral/pause and concern. 2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum. Throwaway RNG comment. People who think they can do better than RNG must have outside information, they're mafia. Not "people scumhunt and think their suspects are mafia, and prefer to lynch them." This is an altogether curious statement for me, I can think of reasons to like/dislike RNG, but finding people who dislike it scummy SOLELY because they think they've found mafia or CAN find mafia is...no bueno. Point 1 is wrong Austin. He was going between scummy and neutral. Same as the not specified gender person that has a name that rhymes with that thing you slap with the bells on the side. point 2 is indeed curious. But is it mafia? What is the mafia mindset? Is he trying to put an idea in the thread? Is he forcing town to look deeper into the people that think the rng lynch is good? Putting more dirt on those people? I don't feel that. He is pretty general talking about "these people". It's not like he is trying to incriminate 1 person. He just gives his opinion. Anyway. I am going back off on all this giving reads thing I am now doing or I am going to get too involved in this D1 lynch. I don't want that. The mafia mindset is that town scumhunts. Town needs to scumhunt, wants to scumhunt, it's what town does and how town wins the game. "people who think they can do better than RNG must have outside information" and "I find people questionable who say they think they are better than RNG" is essentially...."I think that scumhunting is useless." Not in quite so strong terms, yes, but "people who think they can do better than RNG" is a set of people who have reads they think are mafia. They want to lynch THIS GUY and not RANDOM GUY.
In essence, you're just straight pooh poohing on scumhunting by saying there's no reason to think anyone can outperform RNG, and, moreover, you actively think the people who believe they have caught scum ARE QUESTIONABLE. That's the mafia mindset, if you NEED one to be there. People who think they can find scum are questionable, people who scumhunt are questionable, just bow down to RNGsus.
It's also just a bit of the opposite side of the "oh man, that guy is thinking what I'm thinking so he's town!" coin. People hate RNG for all sorts of reasons, but I've never seen any townie think "RNG is good because there's no way we can do better than RNG. In fact, anyone who THINKS they can catch scum on D1 is questionable."
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On May 22 2014 08:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. where are you gettin this info from? The database only has 2 of his games in it and they are both scum, Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII Mafia Framer Survived Cell Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 The only game he's played town in is in yuma where he was just spammy because he thought he caught someone and was being stubborn. I get that he looks towny this game but why are you implying this is "obvious town meta"? If this is true this is my favorite post so far this game, lol.
HE'S TOWN, HE DOES THIS ALL THE TIME
UMMMM, HIS GAMES ARE MOSTLY AS MAFIA
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If marv convinces yall to lynch me, which i am rather tempted to just let happen you should flip this guy:
On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote:
So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained.
Would not lynch today:
Meapak
Hapa
Holy
poofter
BlueyD
austin
Koshi
BH
fool
geript
bkq
ceph
wave
xatalos
Preffered lynch:
layabout
Could lynch today:
Valenius
thrawn
bunnies
sqrt
Yellow
tamburini
MysteryMeat
No clue:
slam
marv
steveling
kitaman
cavalinho
If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list.
##Vote: layabout
this is his first and only mention of me.
it is unsubstantiated but follows the tone of the thread.
a list takes a significant amount of time to produce compared to a sentence or two to explain your vote, he is putting in time but missing out the important bit for a towny.
it looks very much like a mafia vote to get a wagon rolling he is giving momentum to a trail of thoughts without adding anything of substance to it whatsoever.
I am dissapointed in you guys
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