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On May 24 2014 02:58 Blazinghand wrote:Hmm, that's a good point. Should I be more suspicious of people who voted Odin at the start for reasons entirely based on RNG or should I be more suspicious of people who voted him after I wrote my case? I think it depends on what the person did after voting him, if they did in fact vote him early for rng reasons. There are people who voted him, then went to use their votes in other ways. I'm gonna talk about Yell0w, who was my most steadfast RNG supporter throughout D1 at first, yell0w had a different idea for how rng ought to work. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:04 Yell0w wrote:On May 21 2014 06:57 Xatalos wrote:
If most players randomed their votes separately, it would just end up with scum getting to choose their preferred lynch. LMAO I disagree, if most people randomed their votes, the ones who didn't would instantly look scummy and we could lynch them tomorrow. Everyone would RNG their votes if most people did it, because they'd know how bad it would make them look otherwise. This thinking is so obviously and blatantly incorrect I'd be somewhat surprised if he was scum. Scum would care a lot about how they appear, and making a statement like this shows a certain amount of "I didn't consult with anyone before posting this thought" that makes me think he's not in a scum QT. It's possible he just made this post without the help of teammates, but I feel like he'd be advised to back off of it at the very least. He then throws in his towel with me: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo and then he jsut has conversational posts. His next major post is 12+ hours later: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 22:48 Yell0w wrote:So I'm going to go ahead and explain my actions since some people want to lynch me, I'm gonna answer poofter's accusation first: @Sqrt Look at what Yellow has said since then. Hes super on board with the random lynch and gives up on his idea. He throws dirt on Steve when someone comes in and tells him to stop shitting up the thread (I think steve is town so no on that) + Show Spoiler + This screams of TMI like how do you know there are multiple scum factions could be town + scum + third party shenanigans?
@yellow I voted you because of the above and other minor interjections where you're saying "wow that looks scummy of you" basically nudging a wagon into happening instead of actually pressuring someone with voting and a case sounds more like you're pointing people to be like "hey look boys X did something scummy what do we do?" like a not get your hands dirty type of play.
So first of all, I don't get how thinking a random lynch is a good idea is in way alignment indicative and I still think Steve is probably town, but his play has been very anti-town, talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing except that HF was mafia for no reasons. This whole me thinking there are multiple scum factions is kind of a silly argument, I just think it's the most likely scenario, don't see how that makes me scum. As far as I know, most possible 3rd party roles are anti town, so they're scum. Hm, I guess if I am a 3rd party anti-town myself I would know there are at least one other scum faction, maybe the argument isn't as silly as I first thought. I think the second part refers to what I said about Slam, I just thought him acting the way someone said he does when he's town is something a scum player would do, I don't know what was wrong with me pointing it out. I don't know if he is scum or not, clearly others know him and know how to read him, so I'm going to let them read him because I certainly have no idea. And the other person who voted against me was BlueyD, he said: Yellow’s is just...
-a lot of rng discussion with very few reads,
-that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch
-mentions the fact that there are multiple scum factions twice and seems to think it’s important.
- and there’s at least one gem of defensive thought right here: Once again assuming a random lynch is scummy, which I still don't get, and the issue with BH's method isn't that it doesn't work well, it's just that it's not as RNG as it could be since people know what they're voting for before voting, I asked questions about it since this is my second game and no one brought it up in my first game and I wanted to know people's thoughts on it. Nobody really answered though, people either said my idea was good or it was bad, without saying why, no one answered my questions about BH's method and the general idea I got from the thread is that RNG lynches are just not fun, which I don't think is a good argument. So I thought about it some more and came to the conclusion his method was the best RNG method since people aren't willing to random their votes. I didn't really see it as a contradiction, even though everyone seems to think it was, I wasn't fully against it in my first post, I just asked some questions about it and then thought about it and concluded it was fine. I already talked about the multiple scums faction thing, but yes I do think what the other factions are is important, why would it not be important? And I don't get your last point at all. I'm town here guys, I don't think I did anything scummy, I especially didn't like BlueyD's case, I think it was really weak, like because I talked about RNG I'm scum, that doesn't make sense to me. Anyways, I'm gonna give my general reads a bit later, I still need to catch up to the thread though, I didn't give any reads earlier because it's hard when everyone knows each other and knows each other's plays when I don't, I'm worried I'll say silly things and call someone suspicious for doing what everyone knows is his town game, but I'll definitely give reads on the people I played with. and is mostly a defensie post. he/she follows it up though with this post full of reads. Exerpted it from it: Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
I thought I'd have more time to do this but my friend showed up and wants to play chess, but for now, with tamburini, my biggest scum read is jampidampi and biggest town reads are poofter and hapa. And, when the lynch comes down to RNG vs his scumread, he's nowhere to be found. He disappears and never has to weigh in on whether he'd rather lynch RNG or his scumread, and has not returned since then, even though judging by when he's usually active he should have posted right now. Even better, the lynch has already happened so he can just say what's convenient for him. So yeah I'd say pretty good chance he's scum. Man all this filter diving is lame, I kinda want to just wait and see if I get shot THEN do all the work but if I do get shot how will you guys win unless I leave something behind? As the only competent townie I have a responsibility to lead, even from the grave.
Well...
Could you read layabout then? Clearly I am deeply confused...
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On May 24 2014 03:00 Steveling wrote:
Well there's a reason that new guys run away screaming after a couple games here.
?
I did not do this, tehpoofter still here...
Coag left but he isn't new
I don't think vet folks are the reason Hurricane Sponge left, and Jampidampi was out because EVERYONE was a mongrel to him from what I remember
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On May 24 2014 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
I just deleted 3 different sarcastic yet slightly hilarious responses to Steve. I feel so virtuous.
The simple act of saying that is itself perhaps not a flame, but a flame bait which is perhaps worse
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@^3
This is idiocy. We going to figure out layabout real quick? He is simply 3 pages
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On May 24 2014 03:12 Steveling wrote:
You guys keep refusing to play this game.
BH's filter consists of the rng thing, a ridiculous case on his poor sod towny rng target and basically him being satisfied with himself that he managed to pull off the rng thing.
tis all
Until you actually contribute I think I'll ignore your silly jabs.
Any and all jabs should simply merit this result.
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On May 24 2014 03:21 kitaman27 wrote:
In all likelihood, I won't be available until after the deadline tonight. If I survive, I'll try to put together a larger post than what I've been able to produce so far.
Just remember my mafia friends, in multi-faction game historically, the faction that focused their night hits on the opposing faction were far more likely to win than those that prioritized mafia shots. I think it was something crazy like 9/10 last time I looked. The reason for this is that the top priority should be to eliminate the rival mafia kp. The town lynch cannot be eliminated until all town members are dead, but the mafia factional kp can be removed by killing off a much smaller group of players. Additionally, you can save yourself from a lynch by talking your way out, but you can't deal with a bullet that you don't know about. The opposing mafia faction can manipulate the vote based on their additional knowledge, which is much more of a threat than town, which is in the dark. Finally, claiming a scum shoot is a free pass to get out of jail if you get in trouble during the following cycle. The only time you want to start shooting obvious townies is a scenario where the mafia factions need to work together at like 8/1/1 or something.
The reason that I was looking for Heart/Spade posts is that I am somewhat paranoid about a multi-faction scum team that wins together, but is not aware of each others identities. As a result, they may need to breadcrumb their identities to the other half. Something to keep in mind at least.
This is wisdom
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On May 24 2014 03:25 layabout wrote:
That case on y3llow is horrific and i would normally call it pretty scummy tbh. Being absent during the last 3 hours of the day (which is when the odin wagon started in earnest) is not something that we can necessarily infer things from because we have no way of knowing if the absence is legitimate. That's a narrative, a few quotes and no argument with some added complaining about doing work for the thread.
Gotta say this = town point to me.
Well done & said.
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On May 24 2014 03:29 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 03:25 Blazinghand wrote:here take a look at my filter in like the first game I played on TL Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/291067-student-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=BlazinghandSome choice quotes On December 10 2011 13:19 Blazinghand wrote:
BKEXE, I'd be more careful about how I post, were I you. I personally feel a great deal of frustration in my attempts to parse the tomato-stained spaghetti that you call "analysis", and I am one of the more patient folk here. Please, for the good of the town (if you are town) make your case in a legible fashion.
Thank you. more funly worded but I still just called a dude bad and told him to be better moral of the story is i'm just a dick You can be dicks all you want. I'm too. But the whole vet thing is just silly and a cancerous limb that needs to be cut off.
ALRIGHT SHUT UP ABOUT VET
I AM MORE BAMIS THAN EVERYONE HERE BECAUSE I HAVE LIKE 6 MEANINGS IN EVERY POST THAT NOBODY SEES
AND I GOT MENSA INVITE FOR 138
that is bull right? So ignore it!
Take your stupid politics to the thread about it, why when I actually feel some moto does it alway go to some inane outside thread/TLMafia is dying talk? This is GOLDEN SUN MAFIA.
FIND OUT WHO IS SCUM AND WHY IN GOLDEN SUN MAFIA
¡HIJOLE!
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On May 24 2014 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 03:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2014 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 03:29 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 03:25 Blazinghand wrote:here take a look at my filter in like the first game I played on TL Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/291067-student-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=BlazinghandSome choice quotes On December 10 2011 13:19 Blazinghand wrote:
BKEXE, I'd be more careful about how I post, were I you. I personally feel a great deal of frustration in my attempts to parse the tomato-stained spaghetti that you call "analysis", and I am one of the more patient folk here. Please, for the good of the town (if you are town) make your case in a legible fashion.
Thank you. more funly worded but I still just called a dude bad and told him to be better moral of the story is i'm just a dick You can be dicks all you want. I'm too. But the whole vet thing is just silly and a cancerous limb that needs to be cut off. Good luck trying that on a vet like me huehuehuehuehuehue :D Also as a slight note on that metaphor, typically amputation is like a big nono for cancerous limbs due to weird cancery science things. That's not to say that a surgical solution is all bad, but given that cancer can metastasise and that removal of a larger tumor causes smaller tumors to grow, lopping off a limb is pretty dangerous. An ideal solution is probably some kind of surgery where just the tumor is removed, coupled with chemotherapy and radiation to kill whatever's left and also anything else in the body. This leads to the best patient health outcomes.
It's partly because it causes exposure to atmosphere in an already acidic environment. Since low pH areas are a strong cause for cancer, and cancerous cells acidify, and atmosphere tends to acidify very slightly, it just gets conducive to problems. Of course there are other reasons and complications I know nothing about.
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On May 24 2014 03:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Thrawn town read kush for the shittiest reasons btw, surprised kush didn't mention it. I still dont like Thrawn.
And I still agree.
And man BH no, I know I want to talk about cancer, gangrene, & organic lemonade/watermons but who is scum is more relevant
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On May 24 2014 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 03:42 Alakaslam wrote:On May 24 2014 03:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 24 2014 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Thrawn town read kush for the shittiest reasons btw, surprised kush didn't mention it. I still dont like Thrawn. And I still agree. And man BH no, I know I want to talk about cancer, gangrene, & organic lemonade/watermons but who is scum is more relevant fair enough. Let's talk about mtamb. I don't have a strong read on him, since I haven't paid attention to him all day, but he was being highly annoying around the deadline th eother day. I'd gain great pleasure from lynching him. What do you think?
We'll when I filtered him, I didn't see anything that made him scummy, per se. But that had no context; seeing as Chezinu speaks of the wisdom of the crowds, and the crowds almost lynched him (including me, for same annoyance you mentioned partly and that huge post) I wouldn't call him out of the question.
Still prefer thrawn
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On May 24 2014 03:49 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 03:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 03:47 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:
Man, I just realized this really got out of hand. How does this sound: nobody talks about vet status, especially me, until the end of this game, then we can have a calm discussion about it and see what we can do to make things better. Does that sound fair? Will you sheep me? I won't not read your cases. Is this double negative intended? xD
The way that is structured, yes it is. He is saying he will consider your cases.
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On May 24 2014 03:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 03:57 Alakaslam wrote:On May 24 2014 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 03:42 Alakaslam wrote:On May 24 2014 03:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 24 2014 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Thrawn town read kush for the shittiest reasons btw, surprised kush didn't mention it. I still dont like Thrawn. And I still agree. And man BH no, I know I want to talk about cancer, gangrene, & organic lemonade/watermons but who is scum is more relevant fair enough. Let's talk about mtamb. I don't have a strong read on him, since I haven't paid attention to him all day, but he was being highly annoying around the deadline th eother day. I'd gain great pleasure from lynching him. What do you think? We'll when I filtered him, I didn't see anything that made him scummy, per se. But that had no context; seeing as Chezinu speaks of the wisdom of the crowds, and the crowds almost lynched him (including me, for same annoyance you mentioned partly and that huge post) I wouldn't call him out of the question. Still prefer thrawn So why thrawn? What's your reasoning on him?
His filter gave me a pretty strong impression of simply calling bs and failure and doing nothing to fix it.
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On May 24 2014 04:04 Blazinghand wrote:
"two of one instead of one of two" -- what did they do? is why not the comedy in the pan
I think I see.
Yes I probably am.
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So wait Austin do you still think hapa is scum?
Your case ish blasted my townread to a null fwiw
Hapa yep I am full genuine here
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On May 24 2014 04:38 Hapahauli wrote:
It's not a fucking falsified read goddamnit. Just because I don't have time to post my justifications for a vote swap FROM FUCKING I-90 doesn't mean that I don't have justifications.
Saxon that's not even the case's point
And I-90 does not hold candles to the hellfire of I-10
Or the 101
Or the 91
Or the grapevine (I-5), whence my truck was destroyed and so also will my job likely be destroyed.
Or even the 60 at times!
SSON i even find traphix makes for ez-er maphia in DA car, what is hard is when everyone is flying along and you gotta watch
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On May 24 2014 05:06 mtamburini wrote:
Not sure if the mod is being flavourful but didn't someone mention something about being electric and then someone got electrocuted?
Electricity exists within the 5th dimension.
There are 5 factions.
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Yes this is strange....
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Austin man you on to stuff. For now I am full derp in head.
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On May 24 2014 05:14 Steveling wrote:
Guys, thought on BH burning meapak?
The playful tone of the flavor suggests his 3rd party Djinni.
I really don't think Issac goes around burning people
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On May 24 2014 05:23 Blazinghand wrote:
There's 4 kinds of djinni, lined up with the 4 elements (air is lightning) of classical yore. Each djinni is a scum faction. We're people fighting against them. seems straightforward to me.
Also is steveling suggesting that I'm scum based on the fact that my name hs "blazing" in it?
And others
But I believe your claim, whatever that's worth. Jives too well with my role.
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