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marvellosity

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May 21 2014 20:52 GMT

#1530

no koshi i got dis

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 21:08 GMT

#1541

On May 22 2014 05:54 bkqyrldp wrote:

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On May 22 2014 05:52 marvellosity wrote:

On May 22 2014 05:49 bkqyrldp wrote:

On May 21 2014 12:33 layabout wrote:

On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:

On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:

Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?

this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this

How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage.

Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case?

Her posts are logically consistent and represent a reasonable approach to the game particularly for a new player - not wanting to call people scum before you are confident or have had enough time to make an argument that is worth consideration by others. Her tone is generally good and her posting is on the productive side as far as the thread goes.

However Your point that she does not consider that you are scum voting for her is significant. She immediately talks to you as if she thinks you are town which is not the typical reaction to being voted for. The interpreting your vote as a mafia read could just be how ninja uses language but it also suggests guilt.

And that is my opinion on you case.

Pls shoot people that post like austin's hula stuff, it's tempting to go with gut scum reads but town kp is our only way to effectively deal with that crap and in large games the tone of the thread and proportion of inactives and shitposters has a ridiculous impact.

I like this post. I'd like to hear more from laya.

I'm curious what you like about it? As far as I see it, this post says this:

First para: She is not suspicious
Second para: She is suspicious
Third para: This is my conclusion (she is suspicious and not suspicious)
Fourth para: Shoot austin who has barely spam posted but posted 2 pictures.

I actually think the post is terrible for paras 1-3, because it basically just says yes and no without actually coming to a conclusion himself on tamb's alignment.

I actually like the first paragraph more. But it shows someone trying to figure out the game. 2nd para I disagree with, but still shows a natural thought process. I'm not saying laya is town for sure but I would like to hear more from him before I decide if I want to lynch him. Now can you tell me about the 3 I asked you about?

It doesn't show that at all, it shows someone totally unwilling to take a stance and using a lot of words to avoid doing so.

I think I already mentioned a couple times I found austin suspicious.
ritoky I've had to recheck, his first read posts was extremely weird, his 2nd post not so bad, but that's been everything, which by default makes him somewhat suspicious.
I don't see jampi as the type of player who would be aggressive like that as mafia, but this is just a random judgement call that may be wrong. Also I don't really want to lynch him because I know he quit TL Mafia because it was a big pile of poo

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 21:11 GMT

#1544

On May 22 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote:
i think hapa is scumm because the below plus his case on valeris (or w/e) look like scum cases. Very surface level, generic, uncanny familiarity with what scum do.

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Ok, that's kind of interesting and not completely what I was expecting

I think Hapa is capable of such cases as town though

I'm reasonably wary of Hapa because although his posts mostly look ok, the *impetus* that I'd expect from a townHapa isn't quite there. Couple reasons

a) he is mafia
b) he is town and
1) he hasn't played in a long time
2) he doesn't know hardly any of the players
3) the thread is a clusterfuck and it's hard to have impetus in such a thread

tbd!

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 21:20 GMT

#1555

On May 22 2014 06:16 bkqyrldp wrote:
Marv, do you think that mafia in this game is going to avoid taking stances in most subjects? Unless the person being talked about is coincidently on his team, mafia in this game can contribute normally like a towny does. I believe a better way to find mafia is catching them when they fabricate a stance or feign some behavior to coast by.

that's what mafia do, buddy. It's not a conscious decision.

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 21:32 GMT

#1564

tbh I'd have expected a scumkita to have fabricated some nonsense case with a lot of words by now.

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 21:38 GMT

#1566

It is indeed nothing. And he has been quite active on day 1 as mafia before (and town too).

So I'm not gonna spend too much time thinking about it right now, and see what he does next.

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 21:55 GMT

#1572

On May 22 2014 06:41 austinmcc wrote:
Alright now gogo ritoky.

I kinda wanted to tell you to go away, but I read his posts and also your case a couple times. I am weak

I guess he could be mafia? Originally I was ready to be convinced by your meta but then I wasn't. While there's more drive I guess in his newbie game, that could easily come from the fact it's a small newbie game compared to a large game full of aggressive people and spammers with a billion pages. He has this odd obsession with bunnies... I don't really know what to make of it.

I liked his justification for his MZ read which in the original post looked really odd. If he bullshitted that as a reason for MZ to be his top town, that's a pretty neat piece of bullshit.

On May 21 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:
I liked Meapak's poking of bunnies on very good points. I also like how he called out jampidampi for regarding having people that you would never lynch on day 1. I thought it was an offhand comment that stood out to me when I read the thread and the only person who I noticed who also pinged it was Meapak.

The net of it is, I don't see why I'd lynch this guy right now ahead of layabout who is old enough and experienced enough to know better, and has fewer/no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 21:57 GMT

#1573

##Sheep: Koshi
##Vote: layabout

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 22:05 GMT

#1580

Obviously they aren't the greatest, and they're pretty non-committal. Can't argue with that. But as mentioned, a plausible explanation is newbie in massive game trying to find his feet and finding it tough. Could also explain his obsession with bunnies, although that can go either way. Your points are valid enough but there's things weighing down in the opposite direction that don't make it super strong.

layabout's threadcop posts are the opposite of townie, he'll make them as both alignments, but more so as mafia I believe. And it's the fact that the content outside these posts is so irredeemingly poor that's the real issue (both none and bad are apposite descriptions).

For some reason this kinda reminds me of long ago in LIX on Day 1 when you were pushing Stutters really hard and I was pushing prplhz. Your points were valid enough, but meh. On the bright side, you were town that game

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 22:06 GMT

#1581

On May 22 2014 07:03 Hapahauli wrote:

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I'll get to layabout in a bit, but I'm curious what you think of Koshi?

Koshi's my secret sex-buddy, he cool.

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 22:06 GMT

#1582

^ not a crumb.

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 22:09 GMT

#1586

hence "he'll make them as both alignments", yes

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 22:10 GMT

#1589

Disagree all you like, but I still like his kinda left-field MZ explanation enough that there's no way he's my choice above layabout ^_^

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 22:15 GMT

#1594

^ no longer my secret sex-buddy.

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 22:16 GMT

#1601

On May 22 2014 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:

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Can you respond to austin's case on you?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=78#1554

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He talked about MZ? Where?

Also, surely you can understand just how terrible this post is >>
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896

He has 3 posts in his filter. I dare you to find it!

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 22:17 GMT

#1604

I even quoted and bolded it Hapa. Jeez man.

marvellosity

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May 21 2014 22:18 GMT

#1608

yes Hapa, I pretty much agree with your point about Yell0w being town last game. That makes no sense. mtamb definitely needs to answer that. It looks pretty unsexy.