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This post was supposed to be a bit longer, but I'm running out of time until the deadline, and I need to talk to austin apparently.
Might be bombing more reads as I go through filters.
Yell0w
+ Show Spoiler +Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
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ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell.
Alakaslam
+ Show Spoiler +I put Alakaslam next because he's in an identical situation to Yell0w: voted to RNG lynch Odin and pretty much stuck with it.
The problem is, I can't read Alakaslam for shit and my mind melts when I read his filter. I'm biased to interpret everything he says as genuine, so yeah. I'd need some second opinions here.
Kushm4sta (Shoot him!)
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
to be fair i switched to odin purely for the lolz of bh retardation On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
i switched before bh made his shit case Posted after the lynch. People who vote for reasons *other* than lynching mafia are mafia themselves and should die. I really don't think this is simply kush being kush either. When he's town, he trolls the shit out of people but atleast has town objectives in his heart. There's also some weird stuff in his filter. When marv posts that "all vets who sheeped the Odin lynch are suspicious", Kush INSTANTLY re-activates and defends himself: On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town ... posting this, followed by two other posts (quoted above). He's just very angry this game in general. I don't get any sense of playful trolling that I've seen in other of Kush's less-active town games.
Valenius
+ Show Spoiler +I've said all that I need to about him really. There are several posts in my filter about him. tl;dr, he's shitposting and +1'ing people a lot. It feels like mafia having a hard time contributing. He has two analysis pieces, one that I covered earlier... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=118#2356... and another that's pretty simply an OMGUS case against me. He feels like mafia trying to hide. His contributions have been weak, and good portion of his filter are pointless one-liners. That being said, I think there are other priorities over him right now. It is possible that he's just a newbie with severe self-confidence issues, and I think I have stronger reads on Tambo, Yell0w, and kush.
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On May 24 2014 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
Because hapa as 3p you wouldn't care who got lynched as long as someone that wasn't in your faction did as all deaths outside would further your win con.
I also shot tambo.
So this is an anti-town 3rd party case? Well w/e, I'll get to work on defending myself more I guess.
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It's not a fucking falsified read goddamnit. Just because I don't have time to post my justifications for a vote swap FROM FUCKING I-90 doesn't mean that I don't have justifications.
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On May 24 2014 04:40 austinmcc wrote:
Hapa, I'd be interested more in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man than on defense, just for the moment. We can also keep chatting about you, but i THINK you were in that game that I'm thinking off with marv and keirathi and folks where marv got caught?
He was afk for like half of D1, I think we lynched vaderseven D1, and he was part of like a 2-man scum team or something, him and maybe iamp?
So you mean marv? I have my eye on him after reading the game again, mostly because I didn't see him push any objectives today.
The problem is that I'm not sure that it's a scumtell in this setup.
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On May 24 2014 04:42 austinmcc wrote:
It's not "The Swap."
It's the whole entire THING. He's mafia, you put him aside but he's still mafia, then he MIGHT be explained by the small --> large game jump (even though he's scummy this game AND doesn't match his newbie play). You pick him back up after dropping mtam, but only after OnceKing points him out.
(OH YEAH HEY THREAD I LIKED ONCEKING'S STUFF BEFORE LYNCH AND IT FELT LIKE HE WAS FINALLY GETTING ACTIVE AND TRYING TO GET A GOOD LYNCH AND SOLVE THE GAME AND I ALSO THINK HE'S PRETTY DARN TOWN)
But then he's dropped for OOP, despite being a scumread of yours all day and continuing to be a scumread. And when you go to look at votes and whatnot, you talk about kita/MZ/marv and slam and yellow but NOT valenius. In all honesty, the fact that Valenius just seems to slip your mind, despite being a big scumread, and despite doing basically what slam did, is the thing that MOST pushes in favor of this being all made up.
It's not the vote. It's more. And it's mainly, for me, the post-lynch response.
Ok can you clear up what you want to discuss with me right now? I can defend myself, or I can talk about scumreads. Which one do you want first, because it is insanely frustrating to have someone spam both in my face repeatedly for multiple pages without getting the chance to reply.
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Post lynch Valenius - didn't mention him, because my thoughts are ALWAYS on the votes first and foremost post-lynch. I almost always mulligan my reads after Day 1 and start fresh. Bad concrete actions by players (i.e. votes) ALWAYS take precedence over Day 1 meta cases on players that could be lynchbait.
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On May 24 2014 04:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:42 Hapahauli wrote:On May 24 2014 04:40 austinmcc wrote:
Hapa, I'd be interested more in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man than on defense, just for the moment. We can also keep chatting about you, but i THINK you were in that game that I'm thinking off with marv and keirathi and folks where marv got caught?
He was afk for like half of D1, I think we lynched vaderseven D1, and he was part of like a 2-man scum team or something, him and maybe iamp? So you mean marv? I have my eye on him after reading the game again, mostly because I didn't see him push any objectives today. The problem is that I'm not sure that it's a scumtell in this setup. Yeah, that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. No push. Putting aside that we don't know the actual setup, how do you think multi-faction changes his behavior?
Peruvian man - because it's plausible that scum have objectives to push in the thread, which makes it strange to see someone not push said objectives. Maybe I'm being too closed minded about the setup possibilities, but that's where I stand.
Also, unless I'm 100% convinced that he's scum, I'm really reluctant to push him. A marv lynch in a 32 player game is the ultimate clusterfuck, and honestly I don't feel like I can read him accurately at this point during the game enough for it to be worth my sanity.
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On May 24 2014 04:46 austinmcc wrote:
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As far as defense, I'm mainly interested in post-lynch thoughts. Not the vote, not any of that, but mainly why he doesn't catch your eye like slam and co. do.
On May 24 2014 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Post lynch Valenius - didn't mention him, because my thoughts are ALWAYS on the votes first and foremost post-lynch. I almost always mulligan my reads after Day 1 and start fresh. Bad concrete actions by players (i.e. votes) ALWAYS take precedence over Day 1 meta cases on players that could be lynchbait.
If you need more detail than the above, the bottom line is that I don't have concrete voting evidence against Valenius, in the same way that I do on other players. I have no evidence that Valenius has done something anti-town: all I know is that he's playing bad and different from one of his past newbie town games. I think that's reasonably good grounds to lynch someone, but not like some of the stuff I have on the other players.
Like kush admitting to voting someone for reasons other than that person being mafia.
Or Yell0w voting Odin for pure RNG while having actual stated scum-reads.
Or tambo for throwing away his vote on a player who he had a debatable scumread on while not voting his more articulated scumread because "bunnies could flip town."
I like my Valenius case, and I think it was a good Day 1 case. It does not compare to my other suspicions and evidence however.
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Ge ge guys.
Not only does Valenius have...I guess just one scumread, not a filter-full. But it's on YOU. How is Yellow the guy you pick up on having scumreads but voting OOP for no real reason, over Valenius, the dude you thought was scum, think is scum, and had a scumread on YOU that he was even pushing 10 min before the deadline while voting BH as sheep>?
Read this, and tell me exactly why my case on Yell0w is not bad/damning:
Yell0w
+ Show Spoiler +Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
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ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell.
...because I think it's very strong, and much stronger than my case on Valenius. Someone voting RNG over their articulated scumreads is the most eye-catching things I can think of in a mafia game.
As for Valenius - again, I think he is scum, but I have less concrete evidence to believe so. And hell, someone being suspicious of me is not a scumtell. Why on earth would that factor into my decisionmaking when reading him? Sure I'm suspicious of him for his lack of content elsewhere, but just for the case? No way.
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Not voting mtamb until I hear from Holyflare about the shot. Totally not on the highway, so my vote will be with explanations for sure this time austin.
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On May 24 2014 05:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:43 austinmcc wrote:On May 24 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2014 03:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:00 ShiaoPi wrote:VOTE COUNT: mtamburini (8): Tehpoofter, Hapahauli, Alakaslam, mattisfoolish, Xatalos, Cavalinho, Holyflare, thrawn2112, BlueyD, marvellosity, jampidampi, 27ninjabunnies, bkqyrldp, austinmcc, layabout, Steveling, Meapak_Ziphh Valenius (2): Meapak_Ziphh, Hapahauli, Tehpoofter, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Xatalos, kitaman27, sqrtofneg1 geript (0): Holyflare, StevelingKoshi (0): ValeniusSteveling (0): Holyflare, Cavalinho, geriptAlakaslam (0): kushm4sta, kushm4staHapahauli (0): kushm4staYell0w (1): Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, BlueyDXatalos (0): jampidampi, marvellosity, Koshi, thrawn2112, kushm4stajampidampi (0): sqrtofneg1, Xatalos, Xatalos27ninjabunnies (1): Cephiro sqrtofneg1 (0): kitaman27bkqyrldp (0): marvellosityOdinOfPergo (13): Blazinghand, Steveling, Xatalos, Yell0w, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, kushm4sta, Xatalos, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, bkqyrldp, Cavalinho, Valenius, Holyflare Holyflare (1): WaveofShadow, Xatalos, Steveling, Steveling, sqrtofneg1WaveofShadow (0): kitaman27, bkqyrldpBlazinghand (1): Tehpoofter, OdinofPergo, geript, marvellosity, geript thrawn2112 (0): 27ninjabunniesmarvellosity (0): kushm4stalayabout (1): jampidampi, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, ritoky ritoky (0): austinmcc, layaboutBlueyD (0): kitaman27Tehpoofter (1): mtamburini Not voting (2): MysterMeat1, OdinofPergo OdinOfPergo was lynched with 13 votes!
I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories: - People off of the main wagons
- People who voted Odin
- People who voted Tambo
People off of the main wagons:There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini+ Show Spoiler +Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:I Vote:: tehpoofterwhy? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null.... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
What was that vote, mtamburini...? I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. As the days go on my game will improve. With regards to my interactions with people Ive played with before I know I have a better chance of getting a read off them then smoeone I do not know so I will look at them first before anyone else. hey i thought after your long post the ONLY read you had was that steveling was scummy/null to you and that was it? where did this first 45 page poofter read come from? tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I recommend lynching Val.
Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction.
I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion.
Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote:
Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline.
For me it's between WOS and layabout.
WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says.
Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling.
Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. He was afk for the last ~24 hours of the day (not changing his vote or posting at all), which leads me to believe his vote being off of one of the main wagons is a null-tell. Based on his early day behavior, I give him a moderate town read, with the expectation that he continues that in future days. That's Hapa's voting analysis thingy Hapa I don't think Cephiro is mafia atm. His whole bunnies thing was sooo convoluted. And I've seen him all over the place like that as town before. I remember catching him in LXII and his posts were much clearer. So yeah. sqrt I think I agree on, the Odin townread does kinda reek of TMI. On May 24 2014 05:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Woah, those kills are interesting.
Filter dive time. On May 24 2014 05:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I think koshi's partner/teammate in his faction is jampi. On May 22 2014 19:00 Koshi wrote:On May 22 2014 18:46 ritoky wrote:
but if you post 10x in a thread and all of it is shit, that's a 100% shit rate, which makes you a shitter in my mind at least. guess it's more of a % useful material thing for me.
Since it seems like there is only 3 of us here, let's have a bit of a chat.
@Marv/geript
I am a little bit hung up on an odd interaction in the early game, that was part of the original reads I gave when I called MZ my top town. It was when he noticed Jampidampi supporting the people he would never lynch on day 1. I was actually a bit wrong on that when I went back and looked at it again. 27ninjabunnies was the one who said it, and she actually said "there is no way I would lynch meapak this game". Which meapak felt was very strange and then jampidampi hopped in to defend bunnies against that and a couple other accusations headed her way at the time.
What do you think of that interaction, because to me it seems very odd, or if you don't particularly think anything of it what do you think about those 3 people?
I am rereading that and to me it seems jampidampi started with questioning MZ about bunnies. MZ replies that bunnies made an "unguarded" comment and is likely town. jampidampi pressures MZ and is giving bunnies a scumread for being overly defensive. He is telling MZ that the way MZ clears Bunnies is wrong and that he should revisit that read. MZ doesn't do that and jampi gives MZ a light scumread for it. This is pretty towny from Jampi tbh. quotes: ↓ + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. I agree that she made a terrible post there, my "unguarded" comment did not specifically relate to any one post in particular and more to her style of posting over all. My personal concern with her is actually her sudden clearing of me after I lightly defended her. It's waaaay too early in the game to say you won't lynch someone, even if you qualify it with D1. It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow ______ From reading Jampi filter is goes like this: Jampi: Hey Bunnies I think you are scum. Let's interact. (interacting with scumread) Jampi: Hey MZ, do you agree with my scumread on Bunnies. (Interacts with MZ, gives MZ scumread for not seeing what he sees) This shows that jampi had a strong read on Bunnies at that time. Town mindset. On May 24 2014 05:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I can't find anything of value imo in bkq's filter...
Also in MK's too.
I'm bad at using town filters. Is it me or is that like scumslip city
I don't think so? Am I missing something?
On May 24 2014 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:45 Xatalos wrote:On May 24 2014 05:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 05:40 Xatalos wrote:On May 24 2014 05:17 kitaman27 wrote:On May 24 2014 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On May 24 2014 05:11 kitaman27 wrote:Mercury is the element of water, and therefore encompasses water and ice. Mercury is symbiotic with Jupiter, neutral toward Venus, and in conflict with Mars. Hmm, sounds like factions could possibly be allied/rivals of other factions based on this description from the wiki. So it would be like this? Town Scum Mercury Jupiter Mars or something I would think: Town Venus Mercury Jupiter Mars If it's like that, then some of the other factions may be hostile towards each others, some may be neutral, allied etc... I think ShiaoPi would rather go for a like 2+2+2+2 setup, right? so that would be 8 scum vs 24 town. if scum have 4 kp, worst case scenario for town is D1: 24-2-2-2-2, mislynch, 4 shots D2: 19-2-2-2-2 mislynch, 4 shots D3: 14-2-2-2-2 LYLO? since presumably you'd need to lynch both scum to stop a scumteam's kp. Of course, there will be scum shooting at each other etc also happening which will help, but I think I could see the setup with 4x2 scum being balanced That seems plausible. It also means that it would be best if we got rid of the remaining Mercury (or Mercuries) to reduce KP? That's true. At the moment I'd rather lynch mtamb, but assuming we can actually find him (and that he's not mtamb), the last frost/mercury warrior, Koshi's buddy, is the best lynch today. Here's what we know about him: 1) he was koshi's scumbuddy 2) his kp was the one that was blocked last night, since fire, lightning, and earth flavors all existed
Errr... you're making a ton of assumptions to get to #2 yo.
1) We don't know if KP is factional or by person.
2) Even if it is by person, how do we know that one of the other factions didn't have their KP blocked?
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On May 24 2014 06:01 austinmcc wrote:
I think that we don't know when LYLO is, we don't know win conditions, we don't know what the actual teams are (kita seemed to think there were other villians, could all the elements be one faction? do evil people use elements?), we don't know diddly squat except that we should lynch some scummy brosephs.
Hapa I will look at yellow. Please keep posting.
It's incredibly annoying that you accused me of "dropping" my Valenius read without you actually having read my post-lynch analysis.
There's really nothing for me to post right now beyond waiting for people to read my cases.
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And seriously guys, I didn't waste 3 hours on this for show. I'd like some input on the scum-reads at the very least.
On May 24 2014 03:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:00 ShiaoPi wrote:VOTE COUNT: mtamburini (8): Tehpoofter, Hapahauli, Alakaslam, mattisfoolish, Xatalos, Cavalinho, Holyflare, thrawn2112, BlueyD, marvellosity, jampidampi, 27ninjabunnies, bkqyrldp, austinmcc, layabout, Steveling, Meapak_Ziphh Valenius (2): Meapak_Ziphh, Hapahauli, Tehpoofter, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Xatalos, kitaman27, sqrtofneg1 geript (0): Holyflare, StevelingKoshi (0): ValeniusSteveling (0): Holyflare, Cavalinho, geriptAlakaslam (0): kushm4sta, kushm4staHapahauli (0): kushm4staYell0w (1): Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, BlueyDXatalos (0): jampidampi, marvellosity, Koshi, thrawn2112, kushm4stajampidampi (0): sqrtofneg1, Xatalos, Xatalos27ninjabunnies (1): Cephiro sqrtofneg1 (0): kitaman27bkqyrldp (0): marvellosityOdinOfPergo (13): Blazinghand, Steveling, Xatalos, Yell0w, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, kushm4sta, Xatalos, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, bkqyrldp, Cavalinho, Valenius, Holyflare Holyflare (1): WaveofShadow, Xatalos, Steveling, Steveling, sqrtofneg1WaveofShadow (0): kitaman27, bkqyrldpBlazinghand (1): Tehpoofter, OdinofPergo, geript, marvellosity, geript thrawn2112 (0): 27ninjabunniesmarvellosity (0): kushm4stalayabout (1): jampidampi, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, ritoky ritoky (0): austinmcc, layaboutBlueyD (0): kitaman27Tehpoofter (1): mtamburini Not voting (2): MysterMeat1, OdinofPergo OdinOfPergo was lynched with 13 votes!
I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories: - People off of the main wagons
- People who voted Odin
- People who voted Tambo
People off of the main wagons:There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini+ Show Spoiler +Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:I Vote:: tehpoofterwhy? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null.... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
What was that vote, mtamburini...? I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. As the days go on my game will improve. With regards to my interactions with people Ive played with before I know I have a better chance of getting a read off them then smoeone I do not know so I will look at them first before anyone else. hey i thought after your long post the ONLY read you had was that steveling was scummy/null to you and that was it? where did this first 45 page poofter read come from? tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I recommend lynching Val.
Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction.
I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion.
Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote:
Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline.
For me it's between WOS and layabout.
WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says.
Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling.
Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. He was afk for the last ~24 hours of the day (not changing his vote or posting at all), which leads me to believe his vote being off of one of the main wagons is a null-tell. Based on his early day behavior, I give him a moderate town read, with the expectation that he continues that in future days.
On May 24 2014 04:35 Hapahauli wrote:This post was supposed to be a bit longer, but I'm running out of time until the deadline, and I need to talk to austin apparently. Might be bombing more reads as I go through filters. Yell0w+ Show Spoiler +Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
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ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell. I put Alakaslam next because he's in an identical situation to Yell0w: voted to RNG lynch Odin and pretty much stuck with it.
The problem is, I can't read Alakaslam for shit and my mind melts when I read his filter. I'm biased to interpret everything he says as genuine, so yeah. I'd need some second opinions here. (Shoot him!) + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
to be fair i switched to odin purely for the lolz of bh retardation On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
i switched before bh made his shit case Posted after the lynch. People who vote for reasons *other* than lynching mafia are mafia themselves and should die. I really don't think this is simply kush being kush either. When he's town, he trolls the shit out of people but atleast has town objectives in his heart. There's also some weird stuff in his filter. When marv posts that "all vets who sheeped the Odin lynch are suspicious", Kush INSTANTLY re-activates and defends himself: On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town ... posting this, followed by two other posts (quoted above). He's just very angry this game in general. I don't get any sense of playful trolling that I've seen in other of Kush's less-active town games. I've said all that I need to about him really. There are several posts in my filter about him. tl;dr, he's shitposting and +1'ing people a lot. It feels like mafia having a hard time contributing. He has two analysis pieces, one that I covered earlier... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=118#2356... and another that's pretty simply an OMGUS case against me. He feels like mafia trying to hide. His contributions have been weak, and good portion of his filter are pointless one-liners. That being said, I think there are other priorities over him right now. It is possible that he's just a newbie with severe self-confidence issues, and I think I have stronger reads on Tambo, Yell0w, and kush.
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On May 24 2014 06:10 austinmcc wrote:
He's not there in your immediately followup. The later analysis may have him as scummy, but he still drops from your mind then and slam/yellow pop up for behavior that he exhibited while pushing you.
Elderly heterosexual peruvian man, whatchoo think about hapa.
Who's not in my followup? Valenius? Who the hell cares if he's in my followup?
Like do you seriously not understand that players are capable of reacting to new, more important, and more reliable information?
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On May 24 2014 06:13 austinmcc wrote:What do you think of sqrt's post-lynch behavior Hapa? Also, I agree with your overall framework for kush, but not your conclusion. I think there IS some playful stuff, I think he's complaining just the right amount and he pops in for ... non-mafia stuff? Mafia can complain about spam all day, can complain about all sorts of stuff, can encourage bad behavior, instead kush, among other things, tries to pop in and explain whatever that bit was about you and geript and someone and when things are usually town or not. Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:22 kushm4sta wrote:
about the getript/sqrtneg1 exchange:
sqrtneg1 (terrible name btw) says "hapa is town because he's townreading "two alpha towns fighting"
getripts says "the person who does what hapa does is usually scum
strpt says usually they are but in not this case
sqrt thought getript was talking about himself
getript was actually talking abotu hapa
SO THE READING COMPREHENSION PROBABEM WAS WITH SQRT
this is pointless btw
I don't really see him bussing anyone except maybe you. I don't see him generally adding to thread disorganization.
I literally cannot fathom how that post indicates that kush is somehow townie.
What I see is a very typical mafia post - summarizing/explaining an argument that provides no thread conclusion, then fucking off.
Also, you're isolating the meta read of my case, when the most damning evidence is his rationale for voting Odin.
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On May 24 2014 06:16 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:11 Hapahauli wrote:On May 24 2014 06:10 austinmcc wrote:
He's not there in your immediately followup. The later analysis may have him as scummy, but he still drops from your mind then and slam/yellow pop up for behavior that he exhibited while pushing you.
Elderly heterosexual peruvian man, whatchoo think about hapa. Who's not in my followup? Valenius? Who the hell cares if he's in my followup? Like do you seriously not understand that players are capable of reacting to new, more important, and more reliable information? What new, more important, and more reliable information?
THE LYNCH!
THE FLIP!
THE VOTES!
LIKE SERIOUSLY AUSTIN. DO I NEED TO PUT THIS IN CAPITALS TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? BOLD PERHAPS?
This should be incredibly clear to any player familiar with the game.
If you say "people who dropped shitty votes for shitty reasons" or ANYTHING in that wheelhouse ---> yellow having scumreads of his own but just going with an RNG vote, slam basically not mentioning OOP then voting for him
then VALENIUS, THE DUDE YOU WERE SCUMMY ON, DID THE EXACT SAME THING. He was scummy on you, worried about mtam earlier in the day, and he returns to make a case on you one minute and then THE NEXT MINUTE EXACTLY vote OOP, after never mentioning him, just to sheep BH's case.
Sigh, NO. That is NOT the premise of my case on Yellow.
Yell0w voted for an RNG read INSTEAD of a scumread yesterday! That's vastly different than anything that Valenius did. It has nothing to do with a sketchy vote swap or anything of that sort. It has to do with Yell0w having his vote on someone other than his mafia candidate(s), which is one of the most classic scumtells ever. Which is, again, not something that Valenius is exhibiting.
For fucks sake, read my cases for more than 5 minutes before spamming this garbage at me. You're a decent player, and I'm at my wits end how you are not understanding basic mafia shit.
So if I'm supposed to understand that you can temporarily go looking outside your scumreads for people who just did a scummy thing, then...what I'm saying is that group of people that did that thing INCLUDES YOUR SCUMREAD. The dude that is a scumread AND does the new, more important, more reliable thing should be THE BIG FAT MEGA SCUMREAD AT THE TOP OF YOUR MIND.
Explained above. Valenius did not do what I'm accusing yell0w of doing.
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BH - if that's all the information you have and/or can reveal, there's not much sense in speculating about it. Better just to talk about lynching mafia 'n whatnot.
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On May 24 2014 06:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:42 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. Unless you get enough people to vote me that I think I am getting lynched, I will respond to no further questions from anyone about anything related to my role. I'm questioning your fookin reasoning not you fookin role claim. Explain why you revealed your Isaac role as a joke to marv. As I said, the only joke in this thread is you're posting. *your *woosh*
*golfclap*
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On May 24 2014 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
anyway BH and I are confirmed town to each other, so can we just stop this please?
I love you marvelbabe, but you are not confirmed town.
I've heard very little of your preferred lynch targets. Except for Tamb, but everyone kinda wants to do that.
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On May 24 2014 06:58 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:56 Valenius wrote:On May 24 2014 06:53 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:49 austinmcc wrote:On May 24 2014 06:45 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:42 austinmcc wrote:
Steveling. PLEASE. BH is not getting lynched today, not by the hairs on my chinny chin chin. He's unlikely mafia with what he's saying. PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE. No blue. No BH. No Isaac. No nothing.
Some people in this game are MAFIA. If you are town they want to SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE.
EVEN IN THE SCENARIO WHERE BH IS MAFIA, ALL THAT YOUR POSTING IS DOING IS LETTING MAFIA THROW A BUNCH OF CRAP INTO THE THREAD. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE THREAD AND IT'S ACTIVELY NOT GOOD FOR CATCHING BH IF HE'S MAFIA. IT'S JUST GOOD FOR MAKING A MESS.
Please please pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. I can super relate to being overly paranoid and finding connections in odd places. In my first large game, I thought one guy might be scum because he mentioned it was difficult to type. I found out that one of the villians in the show that was the theme had a bandaid on his head. I would not shut up for a day or so about how he was mafia, but did not know his teammates and they had to find each other, thus, he was signalling his teammates he was mafia by referring to the bandaid. It was not true. It was also incredibly ridiculous.
Really though that all caps paragraph. It's true. If he's mafia, this isn't helping to lynch him or catch him or anything. It's bad for us. If he's not mafia, still bad for us. All of this assumes right now that you are town. If you are mafia, carry on. I'm only asking why he revealed his role since he knew that he can be recruited. Is this a bad question? I will say that if he's truthful and says yes, then that's BAD FOR US BECAUSE SCUM COULD RECRUIT SOME DUDE THAT IS APPARENTLY IMPORTANT. If he's truthful and says no, then scum know not to try. If he lies, we're SOL anyway because we don't know what the truth is. We also have no way of telling whether he's truthful or lying. So at BEST it gives us nothing, and at WORST the more BH talks about this, the better an idea scum get of how to deal with BH and maybe slam and maybe that elderly heterosexual peruvian guy now. I am ALSO going to leave this spoiler here, and you should click it. + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. On May 24 2014 06:35 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch BH for obviously getting recruited N1 Ditto. On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. On May 24 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. Unless you get enough people to vote me that I think I am getting lynched, I will respond to no further questions from anyone about anything related to my role. I'm questioning your fookin reasoning not you fookin role claim. Explain why you revealed your Isaac role as a joke to marv. On May 24 2014 06:42 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. Unless you get enough people to vote me that I think I am getting lynched, I will respond to no further questions from anyone about anything related to my role. I'm questioning your fookin reasoning not you fookin role claim. Explain why you revealed your Isaac role as a joke to marv. As I said, the only joke in this thread is you're posting. *your On May 24 2014 06:44 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
anyway BH and I are confirmed town to each other, so can we just stop this please? Or scum. and see whether it matches up with the question I'm responding to. Then I'm really going to get away from thread for a few hours. Since he specifically was told that he can be recruited that also means that the role that can recruit him received "you can recruit the Isaac role and do X things with him". This is why he shouldn't reveal his role under any pressure let alone as a joke d1. "You can be controlled by a djinn" .. doesn't mentioned recruitment. Yes my bad but point still stands. He shouldn't reveal he's Isaac in the first place.
TBH, I don't think mafia have that much incentive to kill townies in the first place. If you look at the 3 night kills, they look more like shots against enemy factions than killing dangerous townies (with *maybe* the exception of bkq).
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