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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2014 04:40 GMT
#961
On May 21 2014 13:34 Cephiro wrote:
General question to the players in the game:

1) Is my play more likely to come from town or scum?
2) Reasoning for the above.

Answer these if you'd like to help me get a read on you.


town, because it's so contrived and ott just to find one person as scum for (what i think) are crazy reasons and a lot less generalised than your scum game in cell was
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
May 21 2014 04:41 GMT
#962
On May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote:
holy crap that was a long read. i felt like i was never going to catch up to it.

i feel like there is a lot of jokes and interactions between people who have played together a lot that went wayyyyy over my head in the first few pages.

right now I am having a little bit of trouble organizing my thoughts because there is just a lot of stuff.

the two largest things that i noticed are:

1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far.

2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum.

I have to do a couple things unexpectedly now and should be back in an hour or so to contribute more, but for now my I will at least leave my top town and scum read.

Top town: Meapak
Top scum: waveofshadow


someone do some research and tell me if his top town and top scum reads align with points 1 and 2
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 21 2014 04:42 GMT
#963
On May 21 2014 13:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2014 13:29 Holyflare wrote:
wave why did you "possibly" town read marv early but after shadow said you wouldn't trust him as far as i remember?

I never fully trust marv.
Ask him. I've played games with him since.

Paranoia is my 'thing,' rite?


yes i know but paranoia is like what you are doing with me where you just flat out won't trust me but i would have expected it to be similar to your response to marv but here you possibly town read him and i wanted you to explain why

marv + ego is usually townmarv.
I only have a small sample size to work with, and it's still very very early, hence cursory 'possible' townread. Dunno seems kinda obvs to me.

The difference between you and marv is sometimes I have to begrudgingly trust him because he is VERY often right even if I'm not sure of his alignment. With you I have no such qualms

I am a little sick of talking about you though. Let's talk about something/someone else. Maybe one of the multitudes of shitters here I don't recognize.
(I use shitters affectionately. Just ask the people who watch my stream.)
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2014 04:42 GMT
#964
Top town: Meapak
Top scum: waveofshadow


ouch wave how does it feel?
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 21 2014 04:42 GMT
#965
Black is so good.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 21 2014 04:43 GMT
#966
On May 21 2014 13:07 geript wrote:
Hey Banks... Why are you reading BlueyD as town? He had a really scummy post I saw in skimming while working. I just don't see the towniness (granted no filtering).


His first post was what I was thinking at the time. He was suspicious of BKQ I was the only one really talking about it (still am probably but he has one post so I understand) He also has the same feeling's on Ceph's case as me. Someone who is reading people similar to me @ the time I'm reading them they get read as town by me. You should read his filter its all about things going on and who he thinks is scum adn the current thread topics. I'd love to see more but its not a long filter so he gets town from me
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 21 2014 04:43 GMT
#967
lmao wrong thread.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 21 2014 04:43 GMT
#968
On May 21 2014 13:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote:
holy crap that was a long read. i felt like i was never going to catch up to it.

i feel like there is a lot of jokes and interactions between people who have played together a lot that went wayyyyy over my head in the first few pages.

right now I am having a little bit of trouble organizing my thoughts because there is just a lot of stuff.

the two largest things that i noticed are:

1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far.

2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum.

I have to do a couple things unexpectedly now and should be back in an hour or so to contribute more, but for now my I will at least leave my top town and scum read.

Top town: Meapak
Top scum: waveofshadow


someone do some research and tell me if his top town and top scum reads align with points 1 and 2

Research:
Dis guy doesn't know me, doesn't know BH and his RNG shenans, and as for his #1 I have no clue where that comes from.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 21 2014 04:44 GMT
#969
On May 21 2014 13:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
Top town: Meapak
Top scum: waveofshadow


ouch wave how does it feel?

Hey if kita can be voting me surely a shitter randomly throwing a scumread on me doesn't hurt so bad.
Plus again, everybody knows I will never be lynched so it don't matter.
Kinda like you amirite?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 21 2014 04:45 GMT
#970
On May 21 2014 13:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote:
holy crap that was a long read. i felt like i was never going to catch up to it.

i feel like there is a lot of jokes and interactions between people who have played together a lot that went wayyyyy over my head in the first few pages.

right now I am having a little bit of trouble organizing my thoughts because there is just a lot of stuff.

the two largest things that i noticed are:

1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far.

2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum.

I have to do a couple things unexpectedly now and should be back in an hour or so to contribute more, but for now my I will at least leave my top town and scum read.

Top town: Meapak
Top scum: waveofshadow


someone do some research and tell me if his top town and top scum reads align with points 1 and 2


Why not research yourself instead of having others do it for you, and then sheep off their read?
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2014 04:45 GMT
#971
probably but yeh... that ritoky post is weiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrdddddddddddd
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
May 21 2014 04:45 GMT
#972
On May 21 2014 13:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
On May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote:
holy crap that was a long read. i felt like i was never going to catch up to it.

i feel like there is a lot of jokes and interactions between people who have played together a lot that went wayyyyy over my head in the first few pages.

right now I am having a little bit of trouble organizing my thoughts because there is just a lot of stuff.

the two largest things that i noticed are:

1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far.

2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum.

I have to do a couple things unexpectedly now and should be back in an hour or so to contribute more, but for now my I will at least leave my top town and scum read.

Top town: Meapak
Top scum: waveofshadow


someone do some research and tell me if his top town and top scum reads align with points 1 and 2


Why not research yourself instead of having others do it for you, and then sheep off their read?


i dont want to reread this thread
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 21 2014 04:46 GMT
#973
Can I join the club of guys that won't get lynched?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 21 2014 04:46 GMT
#974
why mz and why wave x_x? pretty sure there were more people against rng than just wave, in fact wave wasn't even that against it iirc you applauded bh for trying it?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 21 2014 04:48 GMT
#975
On May 21 2014 13:46 Holyflare wrote:
why mz and why wave x_x? pretty sure there were more people against rng than just wave, in fact wave wasn't even that against it iirc you applauded bh for trying it?

Yup, pretty much.
In fact I'm almost certain I stated if I didn't know it was destined to fail (as I fully supported it once and even pushed it and it STILL failed in the end...think maybe it was Thug Life?) I would support it here too.

It almost seems like he just grabbed random names from a hat that have nothing to do with the rest of his post.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 21 2014 04:48 GMT
#976
On May 21 2014 13:12 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:55 Cephiro wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:23 Tehpoofter wrote:
What should she have answered to be TOWN? Like i see you did that thing as mafia but if you ask a question and there are no right answers the questions are flawed. I think thats how you played this interaction. Yellow is the first one to analyse btw. And just for the record glad you're not just making one giant post and fucking off like the other games we've played. Coming out swinging I like although I don't like this post


Alright, so again. The questions weren't aimed to directly affirm her as mafia or town, but her thought process.

The first question was about if she thinks ahead or not. Whether she does or not doesn't make her mafia or town.

The second question was to see her thought process if she thought ahead (because the first question made me assured she doesn't, not too far at least.).

Her reply:

If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me.

The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted.

This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you.

So again, why are you reading me as mafia?


The main point here is the interaction between the first and last statement. It can easily be seen that she thinks that I consider her mafia, which is correct.

Now, you're in a situation where a player is voting on you, asking you questions, since they think you are mafia.

1) Why would you at this point be fairly certain about that player being town, and not point out the possibility of him being scum?
2) Why is your first thought to find the reasons why you are suspected?

If I am scum in that situation, my first thought (if I don't know already) is the reason why I'm being suspected.
Even if I salvage the situation, if I'm dumb enough to make the mistake again, I will get #rekt.
Which is why

Step 1) Identify the reason you are being suspected
Step 2) Prove why that reason is invalid
Step 3) Ascertain your position by providing pro-town (or pro-town looking) content
Step 4) Mislynch townies

If I'm town and I'm being called scum, I instantly know it's because:

1) Someone is making conclusions that might be logical, but still untrue
2) Scum is pushing me for mislynch, or just trying to discredit my thread presence.

Her thoughts are much more aligned with the way a scum thinks in this situation (in my opinion).

The third question is to affirm that she isn't of the downplaying kind = she doesn't intentionally hide information to make herself look a worse player than what she is. Rather the opposite, she talks about how confident she is in her mafia-playing abilities. This makes me not believe her claims of having really thought ahead (which again is irrelevant, her response on the other hand is relevant.).

These factors combined with the rest of her play like I pointed out, make me feel strongly certain about her being mafia rather than town. If you feel like I didn't elaborate on a point enough, do say and I'll explain further.



I routinely read people as town when I'm town for thinking I did something scummy and noticing it. Especially if its something I think I do as scum more than town. This game for example in Mtamb's notes that he decided to post and break my mouse wheel he pointed out that I make jokes and am more trolly and was reading me more mafia from it (a tell he has on me in Video mafia) He clearly is trying to make a correlation between someone he knows and how they play and how they might play this game. This to me makes me think Tambo is coming from a town mindset. So I disagree that just because she reads you as town she is scum.


I don't think Tambo pushing that line of reasoning is in any way alignment indicative for him. I actually find it pretty odd that you push that. I will say that Banks is right in that her not finding her accuser automatically scummy doesn't mean she's scum. I've seen her not push on her accuser on video at least 3-4 times and that's just counting from D1.


I wanted an example from this game and that part was something not anyone really has called me scummy this game so I had to go with what I had to work with I agree though on Ceph. What do you think this push says of Ceph's alignment?
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 21 2014 04:48 GMT
#977
On May 21 2014 13:42 Steveling wrote:
Black is so good.


Isn't that the color mafia usually wears?

I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 21 2014 04:49 GMT
#978
On May 21 2014 13:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:42 Steveling wrote:
Black is so good.


Isn't that the color mafia usually wears?



Lol, it's a misspost, meant for the dota section, there's a player called black.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 21 2014 04:49 GMT
#979
On May 21 2014 13:46 Steveling wrote:
Can I join the club of guys that won't get lynched?

Sorry Steve, it's a pretty exclusive club. We kicked some people out of it not too long ago I think.
Here's your consolation prize though.
[image loading]
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 21 2014 04:50 GMT
#980
But you are quite intriguing my dear.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
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