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*showed no intention of pushing her
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On May 21 2014 11:51 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:41 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote:
Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game? I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you. Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you. What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town. It was the wording you used. Like I don't see how any response he could give would be alignment indicative whatsoever. Usually when there's 1:1 action there's more of a push in a different direction than "Why do you want to lynch obvious town?" Like usually when people step into town on town action they try to convince both sides that the other is town or convince both sides that there's confirmation bias. Anything really. If they think that it's Mafia on Town action the tend to try to get the mafia to explain their points on the subject and on others to force them into a catchable stance or mentality slip. So I find it odd that you're approaching HF like he's town (honestly who knows with him) but aren't really aiming towards Steveling at all. It's a very odd approach. Geript talk to me about BKQ/Venalius/layabout. I don't understand Slam's meta at all (honestly never seen him as scum so don't know the game) I agree his entrance was weird but I always think so. So lets talk about other people and if we can't hash out a better scum target I'll vote him EoD if you still read him as scum and don't want to shoot him for some reason. I think Hapa is town here hes actually been focused on finding scum a rare trait in this thread. His HF thing I agree with HF pushing the policy on Steve makes me roll my eyes cause I was in the game hes talking about and I just see steve getting all mad and stuff and read it as town and wouldn't policy lynch someone I thought was townie.
BKQ read is dependent on who I think he is. I need to reread a Vivax game or two to double check but I'm thinking it's Vivax. Off the top of my head I thought he was town if Vivax but again. I'd need to meta a few games to be sure.
Neither Val nor Layabout have really stuck out. I don't hate Hapa's point on Val +1ing stuff but I don't find it exceptionally damning either. I've seen lots of bad town do that.
Course all this is without reading any of their filters so subject to change when I read them after work.
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On May 21 2014 11:50 austinmcc wrote:
Steveling, i'm gonna ask you THREE question.
You're going to pick TWO to answer.
Then you answer those two questions and get to ask me TWO questions. Yesssssssssssssssssssssss.
(1) What's the BEST post hapa has made and the WORST post?
(2) Is there anyone in this game that you've played like...a chunk of games with? Who do you think you know BEST?
(3) What are you thoughts on Meapak?
Geript, I know it doesn't need saying, but don't shoot marv. No blessings.
His bests posts are these
On May 21 2014 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
See, I don't find tamburini's post all that bad.
Sure it was only focused on certain , one of them including me, but its nt unlikely for him to include me specifically in his reads because we play video mafia together.
Some of his reads were pretty good, and I like it questioning, though I completely agree some of it was filler. The problem with his post isn't necessarily that every little bit of info is terrible. The problem is the presentation and scope. Firstly, it's almost designed to be the least efficient/effective way of communicating one's reads/information. When a townie finds someone suspicious, they are generally direct about it "I find <xxx> town, and <yyy> suspicious, for <zzz> reason." However this post is just a clusterfuck. His reads are buried in the middle of irrelevant banter, and hell he changes his mind on reads of the course of his post! The post is not designed to be helpful - it's designed to be massive and showy. Ergo, he's trying to appear like he's contributing without actually contributing. Secondly, the scope of the post is just a mess. He just finds random things in the thread that he doesn't agree with and is really snarky about them. That's a really common mafia tactic - to find a bunch of things to critique/shit-on in the thread. It gives the effect of making one appear to contribute, when in reality, nitpicking several posters is generally easy, creates paranoia, and serves no real constructive purpose to actually finding mafia.
and this
On May 21 2014 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:10 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:Can we stop voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:... @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120309173425/goldensun/images/thumb/b/ba/GSHeart.jpg/240px-GSHeart.jpg) Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius i think he's town for this post: On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced? As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it. 2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town. That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes? I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers. The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right? Also nice goalpost moving. 1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions. 2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1. So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch??? From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!" Not necessarily all scum aligned? Are you trolling me or are you serious? Pulling publicly-available information from the OP does not make someone town. Also, why do you have your vote on the most obvious townie in the thread?
I have played 2 games with poofter and HF. I had pinned down HF as scum earlier and I was the only one to do so.
I wouldn't say I know him though, only played 2 games together.
Meapak has like, 0.5 posts of value in his filter, all fluff.
Scum vibes.
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i'm all ready for a yellow train though
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On May 21 2014 11:50 austinmcc wrote:
Steveling, i'm gonna ask you THREE question.
You're going to pick TWO to answer.
Then you answer those two questions and get to ask me TWO questions. Yesssssssssssssssssssssss.
(1) What's the BEST post hapa has made and the WORST post?
(2) Is there anyone in this game that you've played like...a chunk of games with? Who do you think you know BEST?
(3) What are you thoughts on Meapak?
Geript, I know it doesn't need saying, but don't shoot marv. No blessings.
Why do you think he's super town Snooglewoogle?
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@Ceph the questions you asked bunnies Can you detail how you would think she would answer them as town? Reading your case to me it seems like you asked the line of questions with the intent of calling her mafia at the end or at least they are questions that confirm a notion that she is scum vs going into it with a null read. I think you case is confirmation bias and I don't think bunnies is scum here. If she was mafia she would be WAY WAY WAY more careful with how much she talks/posts she wouldn't interject/interact with lots of people and your line of questions in court would be akin to "leading the witness"
What do you think of BKQ/Velanius/Yellow?
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Now you gotta ask me questions steveling
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On May 21 2014 12:01 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:51 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 11:41 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote:
Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game? I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you. Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you. What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town. It was the wording you used. Like I don't see how any response he could give would be alignment indicative whatsoever. Usually when there's 1:1 action there's more of a push in a different direction than "Why do you want to lynch obvious town?" Like usually when people step into town on town action they try to convince both sides that the other is town or convince both sides that there's confirmation bias. Anything really. If they think that it's Mafia on Town action the tend to try to get the mafia to explain their points on the subject and on others to force them into a catchable stance or mentality slip. So I find it odd that you're approaching HF like he's town (honestly who knows with him) but aren't really aiming towards Steveling at all. It's a very odd approach. Geript talk to me about BKQ/Venalius/layabout. I don't understand Slam's meta at all (honestly never seen him as scum so don't know the game) I agree his entrance was weird but I always think so. So lets talk about other people and if we can't hash out a better scum target I'll vote him EoD if you still read him as scum and don't want to shoot him for some reason. I think Hapa is town here hes actually been focused on finding scum a rare trait in this thread. His HF thing I agree with HF pushing the policy on Steve makes me roll my eyes cause I was in the game hes talking about and I just see steve getting all mad and stuff and read it as town and wouldn't policy lynch someone I thought was townie. BKQ read is dependent on who I think he is. I need to reread a Vivax game or two to double check but I'm thinking it's Vivax. Off the top of my head I thought he was town if Vivax but again. I'd need to meta a few games to be sure. Neither Val nor Layabout have really stuck out. I don't hate Hapa's point on Val +1ing stuff but I don't find it exceptionally damning either. I've seen lots of bad town do that. Course all this is without reading any of their filters so subject to change when I read them after work.
They're short also check out Yellow.
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EBWOP: The filters are short Geript*
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On May 21 2014 11:58 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:56 Yell0w wrote:On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage. Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case? The problem is there are multiple scum factions, you could both be scum and not know it. Do you think that multiple scum factions makes cephiro's post thought here invalid?
Well the argument is that bunnies didn't think cephiro could be scum because she's scum so she knows the other scums, right? But she has no way to know that even if she's scum, so yes I think he didn't think it through.
And to answer Hapa, obviously I don't know if there are more than one scummy factions, though it's likely in my opinion and either way, neither does anyone right? So, still, bunnies had no way to know that cephiro wasn't scum, which is the whole argument.
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@Ceph, I disagree on your case. I think bunnies is mafia.
However, I don't think you're mafia. Although it's a bit strange you went straight for her, I think you're town.
I would, however, like to see what your reads are, other than bunnies.
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On May 21 2014 11:56 Yell0w wrote:
The problem is there are multiple scum factions, you could both be scum and not know it.
I have no idea because I rolled town, but I would assume that the goals of the multiple factions do not overlap, at least not by much. It is also not certain that all of the 4 other factions are pro-scum, but it is likely there is more than one. I think it's very possible for there to be a pro-town faction, or some sort of win with town faction.
In any case, let's assume a case where we'd both be scum.
1) We're in the same faction
---> Why would we intentionally make her respond badly to a bus case?
2) We're in a different faction (and do not know each other)
---> She knows for sure I am not in the same faction as her, proving my point about her reaction.
3) We're in a different faction (and know each other??)
---> Highly unlikely to be a case, refer to point 1. Why would we intentionally make her response look bad in a bus case this early on?
I may be missing something, but I can't see a situation where us both being scum makes sense. Well, for #2 it slightly does, but even if you think I'm scum trying to get another scum killed, you should be happy for that as town.
Of course, there is a possibility she is also town, but currently I don't believe that to be the case based on her reactions.
Lynch her.
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On May 21 2014 12:02 Holyflare wrote:
i'm all ready for a yellow train though
AGREED
##Vote: Yellow
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On May 21 2014 12:02 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:50 austinmcc wrote:
Steveling, i'm gonna ask you THREE question.
You're going to pick TWO to answer.
Then you answer those two questions and get to ask me TWO questions. Yesssssssssssssssssssssss.
(1) What's the BEST post hapa has made and the WORST post?
(2) Is there anyone in this game that you've played like...a chunk of games with? Who do you think you know BEST?
(3) What are you thoughts on Meapak?
Geript, I know it doesn't need saying, but don't shoot marv. No blessings.
Why do you think he's super town Snooglewoogle? I mildly think he's town because he started out arguing with me about something dumb. Also he was somewhat posty, and the "hapa come save me" thing tingles a little on the town side.
You having no blessings has less to do with thinking he's town or supertown, and more to do with shooting marv like... 1/4way through D1 being a TERRIBLE idea all around, and if you're a fake vigi you should be talking about fake vigi-ing someone else at some other time I think. If you're a real vigi then you aren't serious about shooting marv. ABBA has faith in those who have faith in ABBA.
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On May 21 2014 12:02 austinmcc wrote:
Now you gotta ask me questions steveling
Is there nudity involved further down your plan? xD
My question is this: What do you think about BH?
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On May 21 2014 12:04 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:56 Yell0w wrote:
The problem is there are multiple scum factions, you could both be scum and not know it. I have no idea because I rolled town, but I would assume that the goals of the multiple factions do not overlap, at least not by much. It is also not certain that all of the 4 other factions are pro-scum, but it is likely there is more than one. I think it's very possible for there to be a pro-town faction, or some sort of win with town faction.
All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed.
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On May 21 2014 12:04 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
@Ceph, I disagree on your case. I think bunnies is mafia.
However, I don't think you're mafia. Although it's a bit strange you went straight for her, I think you're town.
I would, however, like to see what your reads are, other than bunnies.
All my wat.
I think she is mafia. You disagree but think she is mafia?? All I can say is CHUPAZI.
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About yellow, since you guys are on it, notice how he jumped on me 2 pages back.
Really suspicious.
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On May 21 2014 12:06 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:04 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
@Ceph, I disagree on your case. I think bunnies is mafia.
However, I don't think you're mafia. Although it's a bit strange you went straight for her, I think you're town.
I would, however, like to see what your reads are, other than bunnies. All my wat. I think she is mafia. You disagree but think she is mafia?? All I can say is CHUPAZI.
Whoops, typo
EBWOP: I think bunnies is town.
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On May 21 2014 12:04 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
@Ceph, I disagree on your case. I think bunnies is mafia.
However, I don't think you're mafia. Although it's a bit strange you went straight for her, I think you're town.
I would, however, like to see what your reads are, other than bunnies.
EBWOP I think bunnies is town.
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