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Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
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On May 23 2014 00:48 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
You have also been repeatedly referred to as female
Dafuq who called me a woman
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
I'd like your explanation to this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? Regarding the bolded, Yell0w flipped town in the game in question - how does it make sense for you to want to kill bunnies for those reasons? Also, your post here gives absolutely no indication that you actually read or thought about Cephrio's case, which just rubs me all sorts of wrong ways.
For me it felt like bunnies was contradicting herself from the way she was putting pressure on yellow on that game. Her play style from that game to this game looks different to me and the way she conducted herself early on this game made me want to question and put pressure on her.
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On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
EBWOP
Its actually 70...
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On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads.
Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part.
My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on.
Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts.
There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post.
At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post.
Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case.
With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction)
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:53 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
I'd like your explanation to this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? Regarding the bolded, Yell0w flipped town in the game in question - how does it make sense for you to want to kill bunnies for those reasons? Also, your post here gives absolutely no indication that you actually read or thought about Cephrio's case, which just rubs me all sorts of wrong ways. For me it felt like bunnies was contradicting herself from the way she was putting pressure on yellow on that game. Her play style from that game to this game looks different to me and the way she conducted herself early on this game made me want to question and put pressure on her. You didn't really answer either of my questions. I know the reason for your bunnies reads. What I want to know is... a) Why you claim that bunnies is scummy for reasons you thought that yell0w was scummy in the other game, despite yell0w being town in said game, and... b) Why there's nothing in your filter that indicates that you even read Cephiro's case. It seems as if you saw a giant post on bunnies and mindlessly sheeped it without even considering the contents.
A) I know bunnies probably the mostest out of everyone here so my read on her goes back to more games then just the last one. Yellow and bunnies are different players. Because yellow did something scummy in one game and someone else does the same thing does not imply that the new person is also town. What Im trying to say is P does not always imply Q,
having know bunnies and her playstyle and not know yellows I think bunnies is more likely scum for her reactions then yellows reactions in that game.
B) I read his post, im going to have to re read it again but Im pretty sure I quoted it and said something along the lines of Im gonna claim bird jesus and shoot you in the night.
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On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue?
They just claimed Blue without a specific role?
I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL.
To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role.
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On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case.
Video mafia
I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong 
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On May 23 2014 01:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:08 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:53 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
I'd like your explanation to this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? Regarding the bolded, Yell0w flipped town in the game in question - how does it make sense for you to want to kill bunnies for those reasons? Also, your post here gives absolutely no indication that you actually read or thought about Cephrio's case, which just rubs me all sorts of wrong ways. For me it felt like bunnies was contradicting herself from the way she was putting pressure on yellow on that game. Her play style from that game to this game looks different to me and the way she conducted herself early on this game made me want to question and put pressure on her. You didn't really answer either of my questions. I know the reason for your bunnies reads. What I want to know is... a) Why you claim that bunnies is scummy for reasons you thought that yell0w was scummy in the other game, despite yell0w being town in said game, and... b) Why there's nothing in your filter that indicates that you even read Cephiro's case. It seems as if you saw a giant post on bunnies and mindlessly sheeped it without even considering the contents. A) I know bunnies probably the mostest out of everyone here so my read on her goes back to more games then just the last one. Yellow and bunnies are different players. Because yellow did something scummy in one game and someone else does the same thing does not imply that the new person is also town. What Im trying to say is P does not always imply Q, having know bunnies and her playstyle and not know yellows I think bunnies is more likely scum for her reactions then yellows reactions in that game. B) I read his post, im going to have to re read it again but Im pretty sure I quoted it and said something along the lines of Im gonna claim bird jesus and shoot you in the night. Ok I have no idea what you mean by the bolded. Show nested quote +My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on.
Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. Regarding your Day 1 play, one thing that makes me fairly suspicious of you was your entirely different approach to Day 1 in the recently concluded newbie game. In that game, you came out extremely confident with very straightforward pressure/reads. This is in complete contrast to this game, where your approach has reflected your "vague and inconclusive" self-descriptor.
With triple the amount of people and a lot more experienced players I have to change my play. With this being a closed set up and not a open one nothing can ever be confirmed so its going to be a lot harder then the noobie games ive played.
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On May 23 2014 01:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:12 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue? They just claimed Blue without a specific role? I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL. To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role. Start reading the thread bro.
I wont finish 70 pages of thread in 4 hours
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On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes?
I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died.
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On May 23 2014 01:19 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:17 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes? I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died. That's not what you said though. Show nested quote +I'm not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. Also based on your newbie game here it seems you make plenty of smaller posts and not that many long ones.
Your accusation against me is not relevant based on the contexts of both games.
Comparing the amount of posts in this DAY compared to that game.
The long post I made was based on all the thing that I was reading and essentially making notes on all the things I was thought were interesting
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On May 23 2014 01:24 Alakaslam wrote:![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoCAjFcIUAAYHyz.jpg) dis PHUNNY yo So like tambo this is sort of what happened to you
IM NOT A WOMAN
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On May 23 2014 01:30 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:28 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:19 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:17 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes? I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died. That's not what you said though. I'm not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. Also based on your newbie game here it seems you make plenty of smaller posts and not that many long ones. Your accusation against me is not relevant based on the contexts of both games. Comparing the amount of posts in this DAY compared to that game. The long post I made was based on all the thing that I was reading and essentially making notes on all the things I was thought were interesting I don't care about the context, I'm just trying to understand why you claimed you get mislynched a lot for writing longer posts, if that is not in fact the case.
Ok I understand now, I mis spoke on that sentence. I was thinking along the lines of more why would I get ML for posting a really long post with notes.
Honestly I do not even know what the hell I was trying to say.
Ill just go back to my V mafia point, I cannot build connections day 1 so I tend to sit back and not interject. Now I think I understand what I was getting at. Ive come out with some thoughts on what I thought was interesting so Im being more active than I usually am.
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Does anyone else have any questions for me? I would like to live and continue to scumhunt and will read the rest of the posts that have happened during the night phase.
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On May 23 2014 02:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Who?
I think refering to valenuis. there have been 3 votes casted on him in the past hour
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On May 23 2014 02:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:38 kitaman27 wrote:
It's kinda funny how my opposition to the BH rng argument has prevented me from actually considering that Odin could be mafia on principle. You're not alone
Why?
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On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
also bunnies just brought up a gr8 point where once people started pulling off of tambo he's disappeared l0l
How did you know I was playing LoL
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I Vote:: tehpoofter
why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS
harharharhar
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On May 23 2014 03:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:28 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 03:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
also bunnies just brought up a gr8 point where once people started pulling off of tambo he's disappeared l0l He honestly did. Like a "Hey, no one's voting me now, I still have one day" type thing. I think tambo is a procrastinator. procrastinating scum or procrastinating town or procrastinating null? Prcrastinating scum. I still don't like tambo in this game. I think he thinks he has one more day, and will be all like "hey, I have anther day to make them think im town. Let me post more now."
Oh bunnies if I didnt know any better you're just a bit butt hurt cause I tunneled on you early game and just want the satisfaction of saying you got me ML because I get you ML a lot 
Also just to rustle your jimmies some more click this
trolling FTW
and then this is what I did at end of that game
#wrekt
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