Golden Sun: The Lost Age Mafia Djinn Edition - Page 2

On May 21 2014 09:25 geript wrote:

There's a major difference in how Town slam plays from scum slam. Town Slam wants to enjoy himself and have fun despite the fact that he knows that he's not a great player and is often lynched for how he plays. Scum Slam wants at all costs to avoid being lynched because it's directly detrimental to his teammates because he's a player that already has no thread pull. So basically how Slam enters and stays in the thread, how he trolls and how he lacks trolling, how he sheeps specific people and where versus how he doesn't is alignment indicative. Town slam would just read the current page, come in, have fun and proceed back to read as necessary. Scum Slam needs to look like less of a crazy so he starts from the beginning. Like he's super EZPZ to read.

On May 21 2014 10:26 geript wrote:
Also for the record, Slam is the fox. Bye bye Marv.

On May 21 2014 11:27 layabout wrote:

why would you post this? you aren't attempting to justify calling geripts post scummy and the rest of the post is irrelevant bollocks and whinging. Why are you being so defensive?

On May 21 2014 11:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Slam, who do you think is mafia?

On May 21 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote:
I don't think this is favorable for town guys.
We need to talk more.

On May 21 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote:


SLAM you goofball, do you think BH and HF are scum?

On May 21 2014 11:36 Hapahauli wrote:


We don't need to talk more - we need to talk more constructively. We have so many posts, but so little of them are actually directed at scumhunting. Instead, people are perusing random selfish agendas instead of trying to push discussion.

/endrant

On May 21 2014 11:40 Steveling wrote:
Does Princess Peach hook up with Mario ever?

HF are you rly town?

On May 21 2014 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:


The problem with his post isn't necessarily that every little bit of info is terrible. The problem is the presentation and scope.

Firstly, it's almost designed to be the least efficient/effective way of communicating one's reads/information. When a townie finds someone suspicious, they are generally direct about it "I find <xxx> town, and <yyy> suspicious, for <zzz> reason." However this post is just a clusterfuck. His reads are buried in the middle of irrelevant banter, and hell he changes his mind on reads of the course of his post!

The post is not designed to be helpful - it's designed to be massive and showy. Ergo, he's trying to appear like he's contributing without actually contributing.

Secondly, the scope of the post is just a mess. He just finds random things in the thread that he doesn't agree with and is really snarky about them. That's a really common mafia tactic - to find a bunch of things to critique/shit-on in the thread. It gives the effect of making one appear to contribute, when in reality, nitpicking several posters is generally easy, creates paranoia, and serves no real constructive purpose to actually finding mafia.

On May 21 2014 14:43 Tehpoofter wrote:


IS geript right? Why is he wrong?

Do you have reads on Yellow? Hf/Steve? Austin aka ABBA? Cephs case on bunnies? Bunnies case on thrawn?

On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:
First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her.



She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.)



Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as:



While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum.

Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies.



The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about:

1) The current move
2) The reasons behind the current move
3) The follow-up to the current move

Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as:

"Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?"

Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person.

So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.)



Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such.

Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?

Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum.

On to my third question:



This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.)

With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on.

TLDR:

1) Is afraid of being seen as scum
2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1.
3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum.
4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later

Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch.

27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is.

Opinions?

On May 21 2014 14:49 Tehpoofter wrote:



KK can you answer the other stuff if you're reading

On May 21 2014 12:04 Cephiro wrote:


I have no idea because I rolled town, but I would assume that the goals of the multiple factions do not overlap, at least not by much. It is also not certain that all of the 4 other factions are pro-scum, but it is likely there is more than one. I think it's very possible for there to be a pro-town faction, or some sort of win with town faction.

In any case, let's assume a case where we'd both be scum.

1) We're in the same faction
---> Why would we intentionally make her respond badly to a bus case?
2) We're in a different faction (and do not know each other)
---> She knows for sure I am not in the same faction as her, proving my point about her reaction.
3) We're in a different faction (and know each other??)
---> Highly unlikely to be a case, refer to point 1. Why would we intentionally make her response look bad in a bus case this early on?

I may be missing something, but I can't see a situation where us both being scum makes sense. Well, for #2 it slightly does, but even if you think I'm scum trying to get another scum killed, you should be happy for that as town.

Of course, there is a possibility she is also town, but currently I don't believe that to be the case based on her reactions.

Lynch her.

On May 21 2014 14:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
Thats the most words i've ever seen in a slam post... it was all a quotes but still.

On May 21 2014 12:18 austinmcc wrote:
For confused non-brits, hula hoops are these I assume:



and not these

On May 21 2014 15:07 geript wrote:
Maybe I should just shoot BKQ on the off chance that it's Yamato. Man I'm so sad Yamato isn't playing this game right now.